Neighbour running a fitness business from their garage
Discussion
This is on behalf of a friend.
My friend has neighbours who appeared to be running a fitness class from their garage (converted into a gym). The property is residential and because of the fitness classes they're creating a lot of noise (from the encouragement during spinning classes) and increased traffic. Last year another neighbour complained to the council who went round and they just said "it's just some friends who come round to do fitness". This is upsetting my mate and his neighbours and I just wanted to see what the PH massive had to say.
We've since googled and found that they HAD a website which now doesn't work and there are photos on Google+ of their converted garage with all the equipment plus details on their LinkedIn page confirming that they run a business. Basically the evidence is stacking up.
From what we can tell:
Thanks
My friend has neighbours who appeared to be running a fitness class from their garage (converted into a gym). The property is residential and because of the fitness classes they're creating a lot of noise (from the encouragement during spinning classes) and increased traffic. Last year another neighbour complained to the council who went round and they just said "it's just some friends who come round to do fitness". This is upsetting my mate and his neighbours and I just wanted to see what the PH massive had to say.
We've since googled and found that they HAD a website which now doesn't work and there are photos on Google+ of their converted garage with all the equipment plus details on their LinkedIn page confirming that they run a business. Basically the evidence is stacking up.
From what we can tell:
- They're running a business from their house
- They aren't likely to have got planning permission to use the garage as a business premises
- They don't appear to be registered at Companies House (under the business found)
- They are directors at another fitness business so maybe doing this as a bit on the side? Or maybe they're using this as an extra premises.
Thanks
Join the Stasi? Failing that, buy a very smart hat and some net curtains.
PS: normally the famous PH "friend" is a merry character who gets up to all sorts of japery, mischief and turpitude. It's rare to see him being a mean minded busybody. What has come over the formerly zany "friend", I wonder?
PS: normally the famous PH "friend" is a merry character who gets up to all sorts of japery, mischief and turpitude. It's rare to see him being a mean minded busybody. What has come over the formerly zany "friend", I wonder?
Breadvan72 said:
It's rare to see him being a mean minded busybody.
It's not really mean minded and busybody if the neighbour is causing a genuine problem.It would be if it was just a case of making trouble for the sake of it but it doesn't sound like this is the case.
A friend of mines parents are having neighbour trouble. Not running a business but a church. The irony is that the behaviour of the many and frequenty worshippers is anything but christian...
Yes, of course, I had forgotten that we must all fear and distrust one another, because, after all, the Daily Mail tells us to. We must all complain endlessly about the Nanny State whilst invoking it every time that we suffer some minor inconvenience. Now, I am off to write to the Council, Tony Blair, the Queen and Lord Lucan about some bloke who has parked his car overhanging "my" space by 5mm. Also, I think he may be foreign (he admits to being from Basildon), so I have called MI5 and the Border Plod as well.
Breadvan72 said:
Ask the gymmy neighbours to install better noise proofing and/or tone down the whooping a bit. Why do people reach for the hand of bureaucracy rather than just engaging in dialogue with their neighbours?
Not everyone is reasonable. I know people who've had disputes with neighbours that started off with a dialogue and ended up in court. I agree though, you should always start with a polite conversation.
Breadvan72 said:
Yes, of course, I had forgotten that we must all fear and distrust one another, because, after all, the Daily Mail tells us to. We must all complain endlessly about the Nanny State whilst invoking it every time that we suffer some minor inconvenience. Now, I am off to write to the Council, Tony Blair, the Queen and Lord Lucan about some bloke who has parked his car overhanging "my" space by 5mm. Also, I think he may be foreign (he admits to being from Basildon), so I have called MI5 and the Border Plod as well.
Oh god, yes! I hope you called Max Clifford as well. Of course, you wouldn't be doing it for the money, the people really need to know this story!.Whilst you're at it, don't forget to complain that 'all politicians are the same'.
I appreciate that maybe it could be interpretted that my friend is being a busy-body but that's not the case. They've been approached before about the noise, it then later got escalated to the council who were lied to about what was going on. This is not the reactions of reasonable people. They aren't now likely to say "oh, I'm sorry we had no idea that we were causing so much noise". I'm sure my friend doesn't want this to escalate into them deliberately antagonising him and his Wife.
I would have advised him to speak to them if there hadn't been previous attempts at reasonably dialogue. So I think that involving the council is now a reasonable and right step to take.
I would have advised him to speak to them if there hadn't been previous attempts at reasonably dialogue. So I think that involving the council is now a reasonable and right step to take.
I run a fitness business from my house. Planning obtained from council, declared to HMRC and fully insured. I am not registered at companies house. Why? Because I am a sole trader. What makes you think that this business isn't the same?
Unlike this business you are talking about, I try my hardest to keep the noise to a reasonable level and at reasonable times.
Some of my client base drive here, some come by bus and some are close enough to walk. For me parking isn't an issue, but I have a plan that I will ask ALL clients to park on a nearby (but less residential) road if parking becomes an issue. Could they do the same?
From the noise perspective, is it music, shouting or equipment banging?
I have not had any complaints, but I think human nature would make me much more receptive tp some possible solutions, rather than someone just telling me I annoyed them and that I should stop.
Unlike this business you are talking about, I try my hardest to keep the noise to a reasonable level and at reasonable times.
Some of my client base drive here, some come by bus and some are close enough to walk. For me parking isn't an issue, but I have a plan that I will ask ALL clients to park on a nearby (but less residential) road if parking becomes an issue. Could they do the same?
From the noise perspective, is it music, shouting or equipment banging?
I have not had any complaints, but I think human nature would make me much more receptive tp some possible solutions, rather than someone just telling me I annoyed them and that I should stop.
Breadvan72 said:
Yes, of course, I had forgotten that we must all fear and distrust one another, because, after all, the Daily Mail tells us to. We must all complain endlessly about the Nanny State whilst invoking it every time that we suffer some minor inconvenience. Now, I am off to write to the Council, Tony Blair, the Queen and Lord Lucan about some bloke who has parked his car overhanging "my" space by 5mm. Also, I think he may be foreign (he admits to being from Basildon), so I have called MI5 and the Border Plod as well.
Sarcasm loses some of its (already small) impact when trowelled on so heavily.I would not dream of informing eighbours that their extralegal activities were adversely affecting me unless I alerady had reason to expect that they would be reasonable about it. The mere fact that they were doing something that a reasonable person would not do, or at least seek permission from neighbours before starting, suggests that dialogue is not only going to be a waste of time, but will probably make matters worse. People who know that they are in the wrong can get very defensive about it.
GranderTransit said:
I run a fitness business from my house. Planning obtained from council, declared to HMRC and fully insured. I am not registered at companies house. Why? Because I am a sole trader. What makes you think that this business isn't the same?
Unlike this business you are talking about, I try my hardest to keep the noise to a reasonable level and at reasonable times.
Some of my client base drive here, some come by bus and some are close enough to walk. For me parking isn't an issue, but I have a plan that I will ask ALL clients to park on a nearby (but less residential) road if parking becomes an issue. Could they do the same?
From the noise perspective, is it music, shouting or equipment banging?
I have not had any complaints, but I think human nature would make me much more receptive tp some possible solutions, rather than someone just telling me I annoyed them and that I should stop.
It's not exclusively that they're 'not registered'. He knows (from the Council) that they don't have permission to run the business from there, I'm not insinuating that Sole Trader's are bad Unlike this business you are talking about, I try my hardest to keep the noise to a reasonable level and at reasonable times.
Some of my client base drive here, some come by bus and some are close enough to walk. For me parking isn't an issue, but I have a plan that I will ask ALL clients to park on a nearby (but less residential) road if parking becomes an issue. Could they do the same?
From the noise perspective, is it music, shouting or equipment banging?
I have not had any complaints, but I think human nature would make me much more receptive tp some possible solutions, rather than someone just telling me I annoyed them and that I should stop.
The noise is from the loud music and shouting of encouragement... on second thoughts, maybe they're just sexually deviant
daz3210 said:
It could still be that it is just mates meeting up though.
In which case it is possibly entirely legal except for the noise.
Try ringing local environmental health and ask them to deal with the noise problem.
They're advertising the business online. We've found evidence of a business name (could well be sole trader as discussed) and business advertising on 'local pages' type web sites. It's more than just 'mates' and that thought certainly crossed our mind.In which case it is possibly entirely legal except for the noise.
Try ringing local environmental health and ask them to deal with the noise problem.
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