Any body no about CSA rules on self employed people

Any body no about CSA rules on self employed people

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pk500

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1,973 posts

213 months

Wednesday 11th July 2012
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I went self employed just over a year ago got my accountant to sort out my tax return, sent a copy to the csa they then sent me a letter to say how much they wanted, they had taken out the depresiation? i thought the figure should be what you pay tax on profit! they added profit and depresiation together is this right? i had put the money in in the first place so why should i pay csa on that hope this is clear many thanks !

daz3210

5,000 posts

241 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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It should be on earnings.

Which is the amount on which you pay tax.

So take out depreciation, but put in capital allowances instead.

You accountant should be able to give you the figures.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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I am guessing: self employed teacher of English. Any other bets?

PS: Yes: ask your accountant to advise, and maybe ask him to write a letter on your behalf to the CSA. For reasons related to my rubbish gag line above, that might help.

Haggleburyfinius

6,601 posts

187 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
I am guessing: self employed teacher of English.
rofl

Harsh but fair biggrin

streaky

19,311 posts

250 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Haggleburyfinius said:
Breadvan72 said:
I am guessing: self employed teacher of English.
rofl

Harsh but fair biggrin
Too true to be funny! frown

Streaky

mikeveal

4,584 posts

251 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Sorry, know I do'nt.

JumboBeef

3,772 posts

178 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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http://www.csahell.com/new-csa-rules-2011-1871.htm...

CSA said:
First, percentages applied to the paying party’s income under CMES above £800 a week are lower. The paying party will now pay 12% of gross income up to £800 a week in respect of one child; 16% for two, and 19% for three or more children. (The current CSA rates of 15% for one child; 20% for two, and 25% for three children are applied to the whole of the paying party’s net income below £2,000 a week.) Income above £800 a week gross (the ceiling is £3,000 a week) will be subject to the above percentages for the first £800 with lower percentages of nine per cent for one child; 12% for two, and 15% for three or more children applied to the remainder.
You have to pay a % on your net income.

ruff'n'smov

1,092 posts

150 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Self employed and paying more than a fiver-a-week CSA ?? sack your accountant mate.

Then get onto the CSA pronto and ask for a re-assessment and send them only a Statement of income with Gross income, less outgoings and net profit.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Or, be a responsible father and don't bilk your child.

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
Or, be a responsible father and don't bilk your child.
That's all well and good but the CSA usually just take about 25% of your wage which can be a significant hit for some people.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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15%, I think, but, whatever the percentage is, the money is for the child, not the CSA. Children should not suffer because grown ups make mistakes in their relationships.

daveparry

988 posts

201 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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THIS!!!

Breadvan72 said:
Or, be a responsible father and don't bilk your child.

XCP

16,948 posts

229 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Oakey said:
That's all well and good but the CSA usually just take about 25% of your wage which can be a significant hit for some people.
I'd consider that I was doing very well indeed if having clothed, fed, housed and generally subsidised my children I had anywhere near 75% of my net wage left.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
15%, I think, but, whatever the percentage is, the money is for the child, not the CSA.
No, it's money given to the mother. She can do whatever she likes with it.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Correct, but what other system would you suggest? It may perhaps only be the feckless or unlucky who end up dealing with the CSA anyway. Sensible couples, when splitting up, make their own agreement for child support, and do not involve the CSA at all. I appreciate that some people may not be able to agree, because one party is unreasonable, but often both are. I pay about 15% of my gross earnings to my ex wife for the support of our daughter when she is with her, but the total figure is greater, as the child is, I am glad to say, with me for three nights each week and on a few holidays each year, and I also pay her school fees. No CSA required. I am self employed, but the idea that I would use my accountant to try and reduce the sum that I pay for the benefit of my daughter, as one poster above suggested that the OP should do, is , I think, deeply cheesy.

pk500

Original Poster:

1,973 posts

213 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I used to pay her by cheque every month ! She decided to use the bank details and set up loads of direct debits I ended up with loads of junk turning up . Over £1k a months worth took months to sort it out ! that's how csa got involved !

daz3210

5,000 posts

241 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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pk500 said:
I used to pay her by cheque every month ! She decided to use the bank details and set up loads of direct debits I ended up with loads of junk turning up . Over £1k a months worth took months to sort it out ! that's how csa got involved !
And that is because the direct debit scheme has been changed so you can do it over the phone I guess.

Money paid to CSA doesn't always go to the child and its parent. I know of one young lady who is on benefits, she gets none of the money paid in CSA, because of the benefits.


PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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daz3210 said:
Money paid to CSA doesn't always go to the child and its parent. I know of one young lady who is on benefits, she gets none of the money paid in CSA, because of the benefits.
This was indeed the original purpose of the CSA. It was never established to benefit children, it was establised to benefit the Exchequer.

Resident parents keep both benefits and child maintenance since April 2010 I believe though.

Now the tax payer just picks up the £500M pa running costs .....

daz3210

5,000 posts

241 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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PurpleMoonlight said:
This was indeed the original purpose of the CSA. It was never established to benefit children, it was establised to benefit the Exchequer.

Resident parents keep both benefits and child maintenance since April 2010 I believe though.

Now the tax payer just picks up the £500M pa running costs .....
But have the benefits changed? i.e. reduced in what is paid to each resident parent?


PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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daz3210 said:
But have the benefits changed? i.e. reduced in what is paid to each resident parent?
I don't believe so.