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Jambo85 said:
shady lee said:
I replumbed my whole house about 2 years ago with the cheaper screwfix ones, no issues at all.
+1 The plasticcy chrome heads are nasty but the valves are fine.If draining down anyway you could do the locksheild too? About 50p more if you buy the locksheild with the trv valve at screwfix
Good morning to everyone!
Here is another a tad confused customer of Wiser system. I have purchased kit 1 as our boiler broke and i decided to use this opportunity for free installation of cheap smart heating system recommended by a boiler guy. The fact that price of TRV head was 35£, 10 more needed, was also a plus. After purchasing the kit I have realised that
- TRV price went up by £5
- There are no adaptors provided for my old Drayton (!) TRVs and I need to spend extra ~£10 per head
- My house is too big for Wiser, but hopefully free range extender sent by support from Drayton will solve the issue
Summary: £50 per head, extra £150 per house which is not that much cheaper anymore comparing to competitors
Other info learned via Drayton support:
- WiFi is needed only for Internet access
- Drayton relies on its own wireless network, it does not use wifi
- Drayton wireless network operated via main unit only, no peer-to-peer
- Drayton does not use peer-to-peer to save TRV batteries life
As system does not function properly yet, i cannot comment on its performance. Currently I use TRV heads as thermometers in different rooms that start boiler once temperature is too low.
On a separate note: if you can recommend a shop where I can find reasonably priced adaptors for my old system it would be fantastic. At this stage I cannot even identify the type and the make of those. On the body of the valve (the part that is permanently connected to a radiator) it is written 15 and an arrow (direction of a flow?). On the radiator head there is a name (Drayton) and in very small font HS2 on one and MS2 on another. They are interchangeable, which adds confusion. 30mm adaptor included in Wiser is too big.
Drayton Support recommended a third-party supplier to identify and buy this adaptor. Supplier recommended me a plastic adaptor (£6 + £3.99 delivery) that "fits 95% of all customers". Given that two adaptors supplied in Wiser "cover 95% of installations" as well, I am a bit hesitant and would prefer offline shop.
And if anyone can tell me what 4 means in TRV4? Were there TRV1,2,3? What was the difference? It seems like Wiki does not know it.
Apologies for the long post.
Here is another a tad confused customer of Wiser system. I have purchased kit 1 as our boiler broke and i decided to use this opportunity for free installation of cheap smart heating system recommended by a boiler guy. The fact that price of TRV head was 35£, 10 more needed, was also a plus. After purchasing the kit I have realised that
- TRV price went up by £5
- There are no adaptors provided for my old Drayton (!) TRVs and I need to spend extra ~£10 per head
- My house is too big for Wiser, but hopefully free range extender sent by support from Drayton will solve the issue
Summary: £50 per head, extra £150 per house which is not that much cheaper anymore comparing to competitors
Other info learned via Drayton support:
- WiFi is needed only for Internet access
- Drayton relies on its own wireless network, it does not use wifi
- Drayton wireless network operated via main unit only, no peer-to-peer
- Drayton does not use peer-to-peer to save TRV batteries life
As system does not function properly yet, i cannot comment on its performance. Currently I use TRV heads as thermometers in different rooms that start boiler once temperature is too low.
On a separate note: if you can recommend a shop where I can find reasonably priced adaptors for my old system it would be fantastic. At this stage I cannot even identify the type and the make of those. On the body of the valve (the part that is permanently connected to a radiator) it is written 15 and an arrow (direction of a flow?). On the radiator head there is a name (Drayton) and in very small font HS2 on one and MS2 on another. They are interchangeable, which adds confusion. 30mm adaptor included in Wiser is too big.
Drayton Support recommended a third-party supplier to identify and buy this adaptor. Supplier recommended me a plastic adaptor (£6 + £3.99 delivery) that "fits 95% of all customers". Given that two adaptors supplied in Wiser "cover 95% of installations" as well, I am a bit hesitant and would prefer offline shop.
And if anyone can tell me what 4 means in TRV4? Were there TRV1,2,3? What was the difference? It seems like Wiki does not know it.
Apologies for the long post.
Edited by Siar on Wednesday 7th February 11:39
Edited by Siar on Wednesday 7th February 12:20
Take it all back, buy evohome and get on with your life.
This will not be the end of the issues, if you already need a range extender.
In the wiser trv box there is a adaptor for general trvs, plus a adaptor for danfoss
Trvs.
Why is your Drayton any different from the standard thread size?
This will not be the end of the issues, if you already need a range extender.
In the wiser trv box there is a adaptor for general trvs, plus a adaptor for danfoss
Trvs.
Why is your Drayton any different from the standard thread size?
shady lee said:
Jambo85 said:
shady lee said:
I replumbed my whole house about 2 years ago with the cheaper screwfix ones, no issues at all.
+1 The plasticcy chrome heads are nasty but the valves are fine.If draining down anyway you could do the locksheild too? About 50p more if you buy the locksheild with the trv valve at screwfix
This page claims that it's fiddly to get a good connection onto microbore and recommends using 15mm trvs with reducing valves: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Fitting_...
Does that seem like a sensible solution, or is it just complicating matters.
mjb1 said:
Yes, but only complication is that my radiators are plumbed in microbore (all 10mm I think), and 15mm seems to be much more common for TRV fittings.
This page claims that it's fiddly to get a good connection onto microbore and recommends using 15mm trvs with reducing valves: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Fitting_...
Does that seem like a sensible solution, or is it just complicating matters.
Never done it myself but this is the bit you need: https://www.screwfix.com/p/reducing-set-15-10mm/70...This page claims that it's fiddly to get a good connection onto microbore and recommends using 15mm trvs with reducing valves: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Fitting_...
Does that seem like a sensible solution, or is it just complicating matters.
Jambo85 said:
mjb1 said:
Yes, but only complication is that my radiators are plumbed in microbore (all 10mm I think), and 15mm seems to be much more common for TRV fittings.
This page claims that it's fiddly to get a good connection onto microbore and recommends using 15mm trvs with reducing valves: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Fitting_...
Does that seem like a sensible solution, or is it just complicating matters.
Never done it myself but this is the bit you need: https://www.screwfix.com/p/reducing-set-15-10mm/70...This page claims that it's fiddly to get a good connection onto microbore and recommends using 15mm trvs with reducing valves: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Fitting_...
Does that seem like a sensible solution, or is it just complicating matters.
mjb1 said:
I was expecting to use soldered reducers, like in the linked article. The compression fitting ones would be easier though I guess, and seem to have ok reviews on there.
I wouldn't, loads of leak issues I've been told when using the compression reducing trvs, Pegler do 10mm trvs that are native at screwfix, why not just use those?
shady lee said:
mjb1 said:
I was expecting to use soldered reducers, like in the linked article. The compression fitting ones would be easier though I guess, and seem to have ok reviews on there.
I wouldn't, loads of leak issues I've been told when using the compression reducing trvs, Pegler do 10mm trvs that are native at screwfix, why not just use those?
The screwfix/non branded TRVs seem to get a fair amount of stick in their reviews - people saying they don't shut off completely, and don't appear to like to be connected in 'reverse', even though they claim to be bidirectional, both of which sound like the valve body rather than the head. Think the Drayton one (£9) might be less of a risk for not much more. Only trouble is that they're twice as expensive if bought as a pair with a lockshield valve! Cheapest lockshield valve by itself is £5, compared to regular manual valves which start at half that. Am I missing something?
Siar said:
Good morning to everyone!
On a separate note: if you can recommend a shop where I can find reasonably priced adaptors for my old system it would be fantastic. At this stage I cannot even identify the type and the make of those. On the body of the valve (the part that is permanently connected to a radiator) it is written 15 and an arrow (direction of a flow?). On the radiator head there is a name (Drayton) and in very small font HS2 on one and MS2 on another. They are interchangeable, which adds confusion.
And if anyone can tell me what 4 means in TRV4? Were there TRV1,2,3? What was the difference? It seems like Wiki does not know it.
I ran into the same issues in my house where I needed a range extender, it arrived and a simple 2 minutes to add it into the system through the app and solved all the range issues and performance has been great.On a separate note: if you can recommend a shop where I can find reasonably priced adaptors for my old system it would be fantastic. At this stage I cannot even identify the type and the make of those. On the body of the valve (the part that is permanently connected to a radiator) it is written 15 and an arrow (direction of a flow?). On the radiator head there is a name (Drayton) and in very small font HS2 on one and MS2 on another. They are interchangeable, which adds confusion.
And if anyone can tell me what 4 means in TRV4? Were there TRV1,2,3? What was the difference? It seems like Wiki does not know it.
We had a day when our internet provider BT was down and the heating continued to function as previously programmed as its stored in the hub.
4 of my 16 radiators had oddball TRV's fitted, I could find the adapters at the Drayton third party but as they were expensive and the existing TRV's used to chatter so I bought new ones from Ebay, took about a week of trawling but eventually got 4 brand new Drayton TRV for £20 delivered. "Two were supplied with 10mm micro bore fittings which worked well)
The difference in the Drayton range numbers is related to the thermostatic part which you throw away anyway, the valve bodies are pretty much same across the range EB 15's
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Thermostatic-Radiator-V...
Edited by hkp57 on Thursday 8th February 02:39
hkp57 said:
4 of my 16 radiators had oddball TRV's fitted, I could find the adapters at the Drayton third party but as they were expensive and the existing TRV's used to chatter so I bought new ones from Ebay, took about a week of trawling but eventually got 4 brand new Drayton TRV for £20 delivered. "Two were supplied with 10mm micro bore fittings which worked well)
The difference in the Drayton range numbers is related to the thermostatic part which you throw away anyway, the valve bodies are pretty much same across the range EB 15's
I cannot install them by myself, so I need a plumber and replace roughly 7 of those. My problem is that my valve bodies are non-standard I presume.The difference in the Drayton range numbers is related to the thermostatic part which you throw away anyway, the valve bodies are pretty much same across the range EB 15's
Edited by hkp57 on Thursday 8th February 02:39
shady lee said:
I've had no issues with my screwfix trvs, I got these ones
Those are the ones I was looking at, seem to have quite a few negative reviews though - leaking is common, noisy when used on the return instead of the flow (even though they claim to be bi directional), and some people saying they don't shut off fully, even when turned right down (sounds like the valve rather than the head). Also has lots of positive reviews though, just not sure I want to take the chance just to save a few pounds over the Drayton ones.I've got those passive Screwfix TVRs on all of our radiators and they've all been fine - no leaks. I've no experience of any other TRVs to know if it's always true, but if used with the supplied heads, they are rather noisy - they whine quite loudly when they're only fractionally open.
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