Chickens - Dog attack
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I (as a PC) once dealt with a similar job to this. A bloke kept a dozen turkeys on his smallholding adjacent to the house, secured in a pen by Harris fencing and the like. He was keeping them for the xmas pot, and had each one sold in advance for £50. One day, two dogs turn up on the smallholding - a Rottweiller and a smaller yappy thing. The Rotty basically bulldozed down the fencing, got in with the turkeys, and killed 9 of them. It then ran amok in the farmyard, dragging dead turkeys around etc, all in front of the wife and kids of the turkey owner. They phoned the Police.
We turned up, and, armed with dog poles and leads, tried to catch the dogs. The yappy thing bolted, and disappeared over a field, the Rotty turned on us. It wasnt friendly. We couldnt get close enough to Taser it ( in order to get it on a pole etc ) and it ran off across fields. We left the bloke to deal with the dead turkeys.
The next day the bloke phones again, to say the rotty had returned for a turkey breakfast, and he had shot it. We turn up and theres one dead Rotty. And two more dead turkeys. A statement was taken from the shooter, and we managed to track down the owners of the dogs. They had escaped from a 'secure' garden over a mile away. The Rotty was a Pedigree show dog, allegedly worth £3-4k, It was insured. The owners were distraught it was dead. They were even more distraught when I handed them the invoice for £450 for turkeys the dog killed.
It turned out the Rotty owners had previously been prosecuted for their dogs worrying/killing livestock. Their dog insurance paid the turkey owner, and the dog got buried. It could have resulted in a court case, for allowing a dog to be out of control in a public place (or similar, the legislation escapes me right now). The dog owners lost their pet, and £450. The turkey owner effectively saved himself the cost of feeding the turkeys for many weeks, but his kids watched a dog tear them to bits.
Should he have shot it? Yes. Would I have shot it? Yes. Seeing a 40kg Rotty coming at you flat out with teeth bared and heckles raised, mouth full of feathers, is a frightening experience when the only thing between you is a 4ft aluminium pole. The dog owners should have secured the garden properly, as the ultimate cause of everything was their failure to do so.
In this case, I side with the chicken owner. Little yappy dog or not, it should have been under control. If my Staffy escaped from the garden, she is to blame for what she does from that point, and I would accept it if anything happened to her.
We turned up, and, armed with dog poles and leads, tried to catch the dogs. The yappy thing bolted, and disappeared over a field, the Rotty turned on us. It wasnt friendly. We couldnt get close enough to Taser it ( in order to get it on a pole etc ) and it ran off across fields. We left the bloke to deal with the dead turkeys.
The next day the bloke phones again, to say the rotty had returned for a turkey breakfast, and he had shot it. We turn up and theres one dead Rotty. And two more dead turkeys. A statement was taken from the shooter, and we managed to track down the owners of the dogs. They had escaped from a 'secure' garden over a mile away. The Rotty was a Pedigree show dog, allegedly worth £3-4k, It was insured. The owners were distraught it was dead. They were even more distraught when I handed them the invoice for £450 for turkeys the dog killed.
It turned out the Rotty owners had previously been prosecuted for their dogs worrying/killing livestock. Their dog insurance paid the turkey owner, and the dog got buried. It could have resulted in a court case, for allowing a dog to be out of control in a public place (or similar, the legislation escapes me right now). The dog owners lost their pet, and £450. The turkey owner effectively saved himself the cost of feeding the turkeys for many weeks, but his kids watched a dog tear them to bits.
Should he have shot it? Yes. Would I have shot it? Yes. Seeing a 40kg Rotty coming at you flat out with teeth bared and heckles raised, mouth full of feathers, is a frightening experience when the only thing between you is a 4ft aluminium pole. The dog owners should have secured the garden properly, as the ultimate cause of everything was their failure to do so.
In this case, I side with the chicken owner. Little yappy dog or not, it should have been under control. If my Staffy escaped from the garden, she is to blame for what she does from that point, and I would accept it if anything happened to her.
I know someone who shot two dogs to stop them attacking some sheep. Not going to into details but the Owners had been warned (police also told about it) what his dogs were doing after they had killed over 15 sheep during a month. One day the friend came home, saw the dogs attaching a sheep. He had his gun in the car and you know the rest. Police involved but nothing came of it due to the sheep being attacked.
julian64 said:
shambolic said:
julian64 said:
Pablo68 said:
shambolic said:
Pablo68 said:
What if a child had run in there and grabbed at his chickens and he just reacted in the same way? Would it be a case of "just a (dead) child and just some chickens"?
Yes and quite justified, as most young kids who torture,maim or kill animals become serial killers bracken78 said:
I know someone who shot two dogs to stop them attacking some sheep. Not going to into details but the Owners had been warned (police also told about it) what his dogs were doing after they had killed over 15 sheep during a month. One day the friend came home, saw the dogs attaching a sheep. He had his gun in the car and you know the rest. Police involved but nothing came of it due to the sheep being attacked.
What were they attaching the sheep to?
robinessex said:
With the advent of modern survaliance techniques now available, plus a few 'carrots', you may be well able get this guy to show his hand. Thus with proof, I'd get a few friends around, truss him up, deposit him in the wheelie bin, and transport him to the local re-cycling centre.
Yes but the guy is so random, and the incidents are so irregular. They'd by waiting for years before something happened. Thats the scary thing about dog owners. They can get very, irrationally obsessed.I'm a dog owner, and though I doubt I would launch a decades long campaign, I honestly don't know how I would react. I suspect I'd not take it well.
wildcat45 said:
Yes but the guy is so random, and the incidents are so irregular. They'd by waiting for years before something happened. Thats the scary thing about dog owners People. They can get very, irrationally obsessed.
I'm a dog owner, and though I doubt I would launch a decades long campaign, I honestly don't know how I would react. I suspect I'd not take it well.
Fixed that for youI'm a dog owner, and though I doubt I would launch a decades long campaign, I honestly don't know how I would react. I suspect I'd not take it well.
wildcat45 said:
I'm a dog owner, and though I doubt I would launch a decades long campaign, I honestly don't know how I would react. I suspect I'd not take it well.
I think there are always grey areas.To me, the fact it is a teeny tiny dog that didn't even kill a chicken means the person in question very much over reacted and may find themselves the wrong side of the local opinion.
If it was a huge mean dog then it could be different and less people would find it as unpalatable.
(don't get me wrong, I've heard of people not caring when their dogs attacked other dogs - well, until they tried to attack mine then suddenly things changed (even wanted me to pay their vet bill - so people can also not be rational about the situation)
PaulMoor "I guess highflyer is live in a city if he thinks livestock should be kept in a secure environment"
YOU are so wrong, I was brought up on a poultry farm, in fact my parents owned the largest poultry farm in Cheshire, back in the 70s and I have lived and worked in the countryside ever since.
Its the urban small holder that seems to think that its ok to just leave their livestock roam about ie the odd sheep/ a few chickens, or pet rabbit guinea pig whatever it may be, a responsible person who actually cares about their animals would keep them in a safe environment ie fenced in, hutch etc, the thread is about a little dog, a loved family pet, that wandered into a neighbors garden, being killed over a chicken that had a few feathers ruffled, that's it.
Oh and it should read, "I guess Highflyer must live in the city"
My reply was to the original post, I have no comments to make regarding big savage dogs attacking sheep, turkeys or whatever, being shot by farmers etc etc that's a different thread, this is to do with a as above, a small dog and an unharmed chicken.
YOU are so wrong, I was brought up on a poultry farm, in fact my parents owned the largest poultry farm in Cheshire, back in the 70s and I have lived and worked in the countryside ever since.
Its the urban small holder that seems to think that its ok to just leave their livestock roam about ie the odd sheep/ a few chickens, or pet rabbit guinea pig whatever it may be, a responsible person who actually cares about their animals would keep them in a safe environment ie fenced in, hutch etc, the thread is about a little dog, a loved family pet, that wandered into a neighbors garden, being killed over a chicken that had a few feathers ruffled, that's it.
Oh and it should read, "I guess Highflyer must live in the city"
My reply was to the original post, I have no comments to make regarding big savage dogs attacking sheep, turkeys or whatever, being shot by farmers etc etc that's a different thread, this is to do with a as above, a small dog and an unharmed chicken.
Edited by highflyer on Monday 8th July 18:59
Ayahuasca said:
How big do you think a dog has to be before it is capable of killing a chicken?
While I think that dog owners need to keep control of their pets I'm kind of wondering why he didn't just give the dog a clip round the ear, pick it up and give it back to the owner with a stern warning.Had it been any size then I wouldn't question the use of force.
I'm wondering if it's not the first time it has gone for the chickens and the bloke hit out of anger more than anything else.
highflyer said:
YOU are so wrong, I was brought up on a poultry farm,
Then you should know how stupid it is to say livestock should be in a secure environment. I don't see many 6 foot fences round fields. It's a silly comment to blame the owner for a dog getting through/over fence. If the chickens can't get out then it is secure enough.Oh, and a Lhasa apso is quite capable of killing chickens, as is any dog. Maybe not in one go, but it will manage it.
Edited by PaulMoor on Monday 8th July 20:47
Yeah ok Devil2575 and S3fella you are both obviously keyboard warriors. You should get out more, enjoy the sunshine be happy and chill out,
but I do agree with Devil sensible remark of " While I think that dog owners need to keep control of their pets I'm kind of wondering why he didn't just give the dog a clip round the ear, pick it up and give it back to the owner with a stern warning
Had it been any size then I wouldn't question the use of force"
PaulMoor you are a complete w
ker who said anything about 6 foot fences or blaming the dog owner for the dog getting through/over a fence
If a dog that small can get to the chickens then the chickens can get out !
I would suggest that YOU live in a town/city and don't understand the importance of looking after your pets and making sure they are safe.
I'm bored with this BS now
but I do agree with Devil sensible remark of " While I think that dog owners need to keep control of their pets I'm kind of wondering why he didn't just give the dog a clip round the ear, pick it up and give it back to the owner with a stern warning
Had it been any size then I wouldn't question the use of force"
PaulMoor you are a complete w
ker who said anything about 6 foot fences or blaming the dog owner for the dog getting through/over a fenceIf a dog that small can get to the chickens then the chickens can get out !
I would suggest that YOU live in a town/city and don't understand the importance of looking after your pets and making sure they are safe.
I'm bored with this BS now
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