RE: PH Heroes: Honda Accord Type R

RE: PH Heroes: Honda Accord Type R

Wednesday 24th July 2013

Honda Accord Type R: PH Heroes

A forgotten Type R, but the Accord is more than worthy of the badge



If ever proof was required that the UK doesn't really take to fast saloons from mainstream manufacturers, consider the Honda Accord Type R. Whilst the first Civic Type R sold in Britain, the EP3 hatch, garnered a near cult following thanks to its affordability and performance, the Accord has remained rather unloved despite offering similar dynamic virtues.

Still brilliant, 15 years on from launch
Still brilliant, 15 years on from launch
But just as pertinently, the Accord fought for showroom attention with the Integra Type R, a car entrenched within the annals of automotive history as one of the finest front-drivers ever. It was cheaper than the Accord as well plus, whilst not a design classic, it had the visual aggression of a coupe shape too.

If it faced a superior sibling in the Integra, contemporary opposition of the Accord was less talented. Various V6 Mondeos, Vectras and 156s were often dispatched in group tests so comfortably that the Accord lined up against Japanese rally reps like the Impreza Turbo. For ultimate thrills, the Impreza surpassed the Accord, but the Type R was far closer than anyone predicted.

Engine revs to 7,500rpm and makes 98hp per litre
Engine revs to 7,500rpm and makes 98hp per litre
The mature Type R
When the spec is given a thorough inspection, it's not hard to see why. It even makes the later Civic look rather undernourished in its engineering. The Type R was 57kg lighter than a 2.0-litre Accord thanks to the removal of some sound deadening, taking its kerbweight down to 1,306kg. By way of modern comparison, a Peugeot RCZ R weighs just 26kg less at 1,280kg. This is despite a reinforced rear bulkhead that contributed to a 40 per cent stiffer bodyshell than standard.

The 2.2-litre engine was a development of that found in the Prelude, but comprehensively overhauled with a higher compression ratio (11:1), low-friction pistons, sequential fuel injection, a new intake manifold and a free-flow exhaust.

Family can join in the fun too!
Family can join in the fun too!
Its headline figures were 212hp at 7,200rpm and 158lb ft at 6,700rpm. Some typically VTEC numbers then, but the extra swept capacity did allow for a tangible increase in low-down torque, albeit still a long way from a similar V6.

Five, four, three, two, one...
The five-speed manual gearbox (remember those?) featured shorter ratios, but the gearing still allowed the Type R to hit 120mph in fourth (!). The long gears predictably dented acceleration; 0-60mph took seven seconds but nearly 20 (19.7) was required for 100mph as the engine dropped out of VTEC when selecting third and fourth.

A limited-slip differential was also standard (omitted from the later Civic), although the uprated brakes (300mm discs at the front, solid 260mm at the rear) were described by Autocar as 'effective rather than inspirational'.

Dull to look at, anything but to drive
Dull to look at, anything but to drive
Predictably, the changes elicited a transformation in the Accord's character. Where the standard car was rather insipid and uninspiring, the Type R was rapid, exciting and involving. The Autocar road test noted steering feedback that improved upon the Integra with crisp handling allied to a decent ride. It gave the Accord four stars out of five, proclaiming it 'Japan's answer to the Sierra Cosworth'.

Japan's Sierra Cosworth
Our featured car is facelifted 2002 example, standard aside from a new exhaust and induction kit. Today it still feels composed, accurate and agile, the engine predictably doing its best work (with even more noise now!) beyond 5,500rpm. The Recaro seats are a real asset too, holding you in place without unnecessary bolstering.

Recaros and white dials mark the cabin out
Recaros and white dials mark the cabin out
10 years on from the end of Accord Type R production and howmanyleft.co.uk has just over 1,000 models remaining on British roads. Early cars are now available from £1,000, but be wary of any crunches in fifth; cars built before the 2001 facelift have become infamous for chomping through the synchro in top gear. A repair will cost around £1,000 as replacing the clutch is a wise move at the same time.

Facelifted cars start at £2,000 and aren't afflicted by the synchro issues; they can also be fuelled by 95RON fuel, rather than the 98RON required by the earlier models. But all Type Rs require a cambelt change at 70,000 miles, and some cars will be due their second swap by now.

One of the FWD greats, now for £2,000
One of the FWD greats, now for £2,000
Rare breed
Then post-2003, the fast Honda saloon was no more in the UK. Japan received a 'Euro R' based on the CL7 Accord, but the only ones in Britain are imports. The Euro R used the 2.0-litre K20A engine with 220hp and the useful addition of a six-speed gearbox. The focus and subtle styling remained, though.

It may not thrill like an S2000 or enjoy the Integra's legendary status, but the Accord Type R remains a great driver's car. Despoilered, it epitomises Q-car cool and remains practical enough to transport a family if required. As the latest news on the next Civic Type R has shown, even Honda can't halt the inexorable rise of the turbocharger so the models of the late 90s and early 2000s really are the likes of which we won't see again. An Accord Type R will remind any enthusiast just what a fantastic period that was.


HONDA ACCORD TYPE R
Engine:
 2,157cc 4-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Power (hp): 212@7,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 158@6,700rpm
0-62mph: 7.1 sec (to 60mph)
Top speed: 140mph
Weight: 1,306kg
On sale: 1998-2003
Price new (1998): £23,250
Price now: £1,000-£4,500


A huge thanks to PHer Jake Harvey for putting his car forward for this feature











Photos: PrimeExposures

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ShuthanVtec

Original Poster:

256 posts

129 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Brilliant car, always had a soft spot for these, take the spoiler and type-r badges off and its a Q car indeed.

Its a shame Honda didn't bring a replacement ATR after this.

rallye666

39 posts

216 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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"A limited-slip differential was also standard (omitted from the later Civic), although the uprated brakes (300mm discs at the front, solid 260mm at the rear) were described by Autocar as 'effective rather than inspirational'."

Your telling me! I ended going a through a hedge on the B660 after I cooked them!
Great car though, steering was on a par with my gti-6 and actually felt just as agile.

Loplop

1,937 posts

185 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Shame they never offered Champ White in Britain...

Also the CL7 Euro R has a 2.0 K20A Engine as seen in the DC5 Integra and EP3 Civic, the CL1 Euro R has the same 2.2 as the CH1 and if you want the same engine that was used in the touring cars you need a JDM SiR with the F20 Blue Top.

Freeglide

9 posts

205 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Still have my ATR - weekend driving mostly and great drivers car on a long run. I recently deleted the spoiler and as mentioned above have removed all trace of Type R decals and badges. I give some drivers a shock at the lights thinking its just a rubbish accord - necessary skills needed to keep car in vtec while up shifting.

Mine is a pre-facelift - but not had any synchro issues to date - I change my gearbox and diff oil every 2 years to add longevity. 2nd cam belt, balancer belt and auto-tensioner required next year.

Going to keep mine for the time being - costs me nothing and great driver appeal.

Seems to have a following though - get other drivers giving me the thumbs up from time to time.

Versuvio red and I keep it caked in polish - recently have bumpers resprayed front and back so she is mint!

FG


Kozy

3,169 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Fantastic bargain family wagon. Cheap to run and insure, reliable and with fantastic handling.

Shame the wife just drove mine down the wall getting out of the driveway this morning... frown

pimpchez

899 posts

183 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Kozy said:
Fantastic bargain family wagon. Cheap to run and insure, reliable and with fantastic handling.

Shame the wife just drove mine down the wall getting out of the driveway this morning... frown
Not cheap to insure when your under 25 and don`t have a posh postcode.Same with any type r.

I had a 2.0l automatic for 3months an man could you feel the girth ,i suppose the type r doesnt feel the same as the barge of a accord i had

TommyW

3 posts

160 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Awesome car.

Great fun to drive, incredible amount of grip (if driven right), great seats, cheap to insure, can take 4 people comfortably and has a huge boot.

What more could you want?

Kozy

3,169 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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pimpchez said:
Not cheap to insure when your under 25 and don`t have a posh postcode.Same with any type r.
You can never call any car universally cheap to insure, anything can be potentially expensive to someone. However, they can be cheap compared to similar cars. The ATR is massively cheap compared to the Evo/Impreza, cheaper also than the ST220, a 330i, an EP3 and even the slower Accord Type S.



ndj

222 posts

222 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Loved mine, but with hindsight and as mentioned in the article the 5 ratios really didn't work with that engine. Always just out of the VTEC band when changing up. That's highlighted if you jump out of an ATR into a later CTR with a 6 speeder and the K20 lump.

Must admit to scouring Autotrader from time to time for a nice low mileage example to keep as a stealth missile wink

Bigchiefmuffin

46 posts

202 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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We had one of these as a company car a while back and it was FAB ! Real Q car - it flew once you got the revs up and the handling and ride were very well considered. It wasn't though a very good long distance cruiser, from what I can remember - quite noisy and stressed, and the whole car just felt a bit unsubstantial.

JamesHayward

655 posts

164 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Not doing my want for one of these any good at all. Will most likely take over daily duties in the winter.

MGL1986

111 posts

140 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Freeglide said:
Still have my ATR - weekend driving mostly and great drivers car on a long run. I recently deleted the spoiler and as mentioned above have removed all trace of Type R decals and badges. I give some drivers a shock at the lights thinking its just a rubbish accord - necessary skills needed to keep car in vtec while up shifting.

Mine is a pre-facelift - but not had any synchro issues to date - I change my gearbox and diff oil every 2 years to add longevity. 2nd cam belt, balancer belt and auto-tensioner required next year.

Going to keep mine for the time being - costs me nothing and great driver appeal.

Seems to have a following though - get other drivers giving me the thumbs up from time to time.

Versuvio red and I keep it caked in polish - recently have bumpers resprayed front and back so she is mint!

FG
Have you looked in to swapping the auto tensioner for a manual one from the H23? Quite a common swap for Prelude owners, plenty of write up's about it on the net.

Kozy

3,169 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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For what it's worth, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the gear ratios.

The ratios are not far off the DC2's, the problem is purely that VTEC engages 'kicks in yo' at too high RPM (5700rpm) for the relatively low rev limiter (7900rpm).

The ATRs VTEC powerband is I believe the smallest out of all the 5 speed models at 2200rpm. The DC2/EK9 were 2200/2400rpm, the old B16A2s had 2700rpm.

Actually, the one thing that is wrong is that it has an unusually short 5th gear, which is annoying if you travel long distances.


Loplop

1,937 posts

185 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Insurance? My friend is 19 and has one insured for £1700 annually.

pimpchez

899 posts

183 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Kozy said:
pimpchez said:
Not cheap to insure when your under 25 and don`t have a posh postcode.Same with any type r.
You can never call any car universally cheap to insure, anything can be potentially expensive to someone. However, they can be cheap compared to similar cars. The ATR is massively cheap compared to the Evo/Impreza, cheaper also than the ST220, a 330i, an EP3 and even the slower Accord Type S.
When the cost of the insurance is the same price of the car £2000+ how is that not deemed expensive.
I wouldnt call evo`s and imprezas its rivals even if we think we are 2001,probably more the seat leon cupra of the time

m44kts

801 posts

200 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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I had a pre facelift ATR in red and loved it, arguably better looking than the facelift, (facelift lost a lot of character with the bland bumpers and droopy exhausts over the pre facelift IMO)

It's one of the few cars I actually regret getting rid of. Also, it's the only car except my current mk5 golf gti that I actually really enjoyed thrashing the knackers off.

P4ROT

1,219 posts

193 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Shame most of them have been wrecked or 'improved'

Kozy

3,169 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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pimpchez said:
When the cost of the insurance is the same price of the car £2000+ how is that not deemed expensive.
I wouldnt call evo`s and imprezas its rivals even if we think we are 2001,probably more the seat leon cupra of the time
Some people pay £3k to insure a £1k 1.0 shopping car at 17. Does that make that an expensive car to insure?

No, it just makes it expensive for them.

The ATR is cheap to insure compared to it's competition. I know, because I looked at a lot of ~200bhp saloon cars before buying mine and guess what, it was the cheapest. It was still expensive for me but cheaper than anything else whilst offering the best package.

Austin3000

129 posts

201 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Best car I ever had and still miss it 6 years on despite having had faster cars since. I had a EP3 CTR before it and the ATR was much better. Far better ride, seats are superb and LSD made a huge difference.

Mine was a T reg in Pirates (Honda sales man claimed it was pronounced "pi-ra-tase") black.

T63 UMR where are you now?

carinaman

21,292 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Did they have a choice of a low rise rear spoiler? I seem to remember walking past a black one once that had a more discreet lower wing on the bootlid.