RE: Ford Fiesta ST vs Renault Clio RS200

RE: Ford Fiesta ST vs Renault Clio RS200

Thursday 28th November 2013

Ford Fiesta ST vs Renault Clio RS200

It's been the hot hatch grudge match of 2013; here's the PH verdict on Clio vs Fiesta



We know Mr Harris has covered Fiesta Mountune vs Clio RS200 earlier this year. But that was a few minutes of track hooning and drag races; excellent video fodder, but leaving the space open for a comparison out in The Real World.

Ideally we would have had a 208 GTI in this test to cover all the bases, but reading some other reviews suggested it may have taken the bronze medal. But we hope to get hold of one in the UK imminently, just to be sure.

As for our two hot hatch protagonists, they were actually ideally specced. In all honesty, a bad Fiesta ST can't be ordered, as none of the available options fundamentally alters its vivacious character. Given Mountune's MP215 kit can be fitted and keep the Fiesta under the Clio's list price, it seemed appropriate to line-up the Mountuned car against the Clio. We'll come to the price issue in more depth later.

The Clio came to us Luxed and Cupped, the latter perhaps more relevant to this test than the £1,000 of climate control, folding mirrors and auto lights. The Cup pack brings 18-inch wheels on Dunlop Sport Maxx rubber, a 3mm drop in ride height and a 15 per cent increase in chassis stiffness.

Though we'll come to the commonalities and distinguishing features in more detail, it's interesting to note how fundamentally different the two approaches to building a hot hatch; the Ford is relatively simple, the Renault far more complex in its attempt to provide driving thrills. Read on to find out which is best.


Introduction and comments
Ford Fiesta ST
Renaultsport Clio 200 Turbo
Verdict



FORD FIESTA ST MOUNTUNE
Engine:
1,596cc 4-cyl turbo
Power (hp): 215@6,000rpm*
Torque (lb ft): 236@3,000rpm*
Transmission: 6-speed manual, FWD
Top speed: 137mph
0-62mph: 6.4 secs (claimed)**
MPG: 47.9 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 139g/km
Price: £17,594

*Power and torque figures on overboost
**Claimed 0-62mph from Mountune. All other stats as the standard car



RENAULTSPORT CLIO 200 TURBO
Engine:
 1,618cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed dual-clutch auto, FWD
Power (hp): 200@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 177@1,750rpm
0-62mph: 6.7sec
Top speed: 143mph
Weight: 1,204kg
MPG: 44.8mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 144g/km
Price: £18,995

All prices before options


Photos: PrimeExposures

 

Author
Discussion

Spyder5

Original Poster:

1,071 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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These two cars really have reached flabby middle age, its time for a new generation of hot super mini.


gofasterrosssco

1,238 posts

236 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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"a 3mm drop in ride height" - really, whats the point? biggrin

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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It'd have to be the Fiesta for me, I saw one in white the other week and it looked really sharp, where as I think the Clio looks fat and flabby - especially compared to it's predecessor (which I have in cup guise and love). Plus that cheapo Mountune upgrade is just the icing on the cake.

Technomatt

1,085 posts

133 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Obvious conclusion.

The Clio is trying to do the Golf GTI thing and failing.

Renaultsport has lost it’s way and DNA with this expensive 5 door, auto only thing.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

218 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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"It's been the hot hatch grudge match of 2013; here's the PH verdict on Clio vs Fiesta"

Really thought it was just a small story about not so small cars?

ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Spyder5 said:
These two cars really have reached flabby middle age, its time for a new generation of hot super mini.
Oddly despite 'growing up' (and having owned Clio 172s in the past) the junior/warm hatches are of far more interest to me these days. I'd probably take a Suzuki Swift Sport over either of these.

loudlashadjuster

5,127 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Why do these articles (and ones using similar templates like the buyers' guides) insist on opening each page in a new window/tab? Very annoying.

I know that the relentless quest for impressions means a single long page is probably too much to ask for, but surely you could make it just a little easier for us? Anyone who wants new tabs can easily trigger this themselves.

TREMAiNE

3,918 posts

149 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Technomatt said:
Renaultsport has lost it’s way and DNA with this expensive 5 door, auto only thing.
Sad but true! frown

AER

1,142 posts

270 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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There is only one RS200 that's worth talking about and this isn't it...

BBS-LM

3,972 posts

224 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Not too sure where the grudge match is, the ST was always the better car, christ, they are even saying the same thing over at cliosport.net. Renault have designed a donkey, and they need to get over themselves.

Tickle

4,920 posts

204 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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AER said:
There is only one RS200 that's worth talking about and this isn't it...
I own a Clio 200 Cup and refuse to call it a RS200 as it most defiantly is not!

even though I love the Clio, I wish it was an actual RS200!

The Vambo

6,643 posts

141 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Spyder5 said:
These two cars really have reached flabby middle age, its time for a new generation of hot super mini.
There is a rwd Twingo due soon....

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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loudlashadjuster said:
Why do these articles (and ones using similar templates like the buyers' guides) insist on opening each page in a new window/tab? Very annoying.

I know that the relentless quest for impressions means a single long page is probably too much to ask for, but surely you could make it just a little easier for us? Anyone who wants new tabs can easily trigger this themselves.
Thanks for feedback - anyone else got any feelings on this?

It's a production-based instinct from where we link to other articles that you might want to refer to but wouldn't necessarily want to leave the page you're on. And consistent too - any regular user of the site will know that clicking a link will, as a rule, open a new window/tab. And if you're referring to and fro personally I find it easier to have multiple tabs open.

I guess it's a case of personal browsing preferences and habits but the motivation for doing it this way is to get away from an off-putting wall of text and allow folk to navigate to the bits they want to read as and when they want.

As I say though, feedback always welcome.

Cheers,

Dan


TNH

559 posts

147 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Dan Trent said:
Thanks for feedback - anyone else got any feelings on this?

It's a production-based instinct from where we link to other articles that you might want to refer to but wouldn't necessarily want to leave the page you're on. And consistent too - any regular user of the site will know that clicking a link will, as a rule, open a new window/tab. And if you're referring to and fro personally I find it easier to have multiple tabs open.

I guess it's a case of personal browsing preferences and habits but the motivation for doing it this way is to get away from an off-putting wall of text and allow folk to navigate to the bits they want to read as and when they want.

As I say though, feedback always welcome.

Cheers,

Dan
Same comment from me, personally, I find it really frustrating when links open in a new window and I would much rather just be sent straight through to the next page in the same tab.

If you want to open in a new tab its ctrl + click which allows you to keep the original page open.

personal preference obviously.

The Vambo

6,643 posts

141 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Dan Trent said:
Thanks for feedback - anyone else got any feelings on this?

It's a production-based instinct from where we link to other articles that you might want to refer to but wouldn't necessarily want to leave the page you're on. And consistent too - any regular user of the site will know that clicking a link will, as a rule, open a new window/tab. And if you're referring to and fro personally I find it easier to have multiple tabs open.

I guess it's a case of personal browsing preferences and habits but the motivation for doing it this way is to get away from an off-putting wall of text and allow folk to navigate to the bits they want to read as and when they want.

As I say though, feedback always welcome.

Cheers,

Dan
Dont mind it but it should just load the new page not open in a new tab.

Funk

26,277 posts

209 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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This article could've been a single sentence:

"Hot hatch test - Fiesta ST: manual, Clio RS200: automatic. Fiesta wins by default."

Renault have buggered their RS credentials with the new RS200 in my view.

Technomatt

1,085 posts

133 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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The Vambo said:
Spyder5 said:
These two cars really have reached flabby middle age, its time for a new generation of hot super mini.
There is a rwd Twingo due soon....
And that is a bit of a mutt and rumour has it ...... no Renaultsport version.

gjackson

21 posts

154 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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gofasterrosssco said:
"a 3mm drop in ride height" - really, whats the point? biggrin
It's a performance (handling) upgrade not cosmetic, the reduction in ride height is probably a consequence of several factors rather than a conscious decision to make it lower so that the 'Maccie D's girl' has to lean lower to give you your Big Mac at the drive thru so chavs can get their jollies.

renaultgeek

473 posts

148 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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the fact that the fiesta is constantly begging for more or however it was phrased, would this mean in a long term test the clio would be easier to live with?

Good idea on the opening follwing page in the same tab, but not opening seperate windows such as classified links in the same tab.

The Vambo

6,643 posts

141 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Technomatt said:
And that is a bit of a mutt and rumour has it ...... no Renaultsport version.
biglaugh

Riiiiight.

Those rumours about cars still in development are usually on the button.