RE: SEAT Leon Cupra: Review

RE: SEAT Leon Cupra: Review

Wednesday 12th February 2014

SEAT Leon Cupra: Review

Is the third generation Leon Cupra the car to restore SEAT's auto emocion?



It's always nice to be surprised in the automotive industry. Cars like the Lexus RC F, with its 5.0-litre V8 when a turbo was predicted kept everyone on the ball and shows that conformity isn't totally rife. Fortunately or unfortunately depending on your outlook, the new SEAT Leon Cupra doesn't offer anything unexpected.

Three-door Cupra offered for the first time
Three-door Cupra offered for the first time
That sounds like damning it with faint praise, and it really shouldn't. Given its Golf GTI underpinnings, the Leon Cupra should be very good indeed; that it is therefore a highly capable car shouldn't come as a shock.

Because of some rather wild palette options on the colour charts, it's easy to forget that previous Cupras haven't been that outlandish to look at. With no yellow or green or orange yet available, the Cupra is simply a nicely proportioned, modern and attractive hatch. A Cupra 265, bereft of the 19s, black mirrors and spoiler of the 280, actually looks fairly innocuous. Whether subtlety should be SEAT's job when Skoda apparently fills that niche in the VW Group is another matter entirely.

Lack of emocion?
The inside is broadly similar; remove the different dials, the great new wheel and a couple of badges and it's a standard Leon cabin. Not bad, quite pleasant in fact, but not exactly inspiring.

Function over form continues inside
Function over form continues inside
But this is PH! If there's one place that values engineering over aesthetics it's here. So thanks SEAT for prioritising the VAQ diff and the adaptive dampers over a feast of carbon trinkets or suchlike. It's much appreciated.

Out on the roads around Barcelona though and it's the engine that dominates first impressions. The torque figure may be identical to the 220hp Golf at 258lb ft, but that extra 60hp is particularly noticeable at higher revs. It pulls with real enthusiasm and a desire for revs right round to the limiter. But because the delivery is so linear, the Cupra lacks a crescendo to its performance. It's pulling with the same ferocity, potent though it certainly is, at 4,000rpm and 6,000rpm. There's no doubting the Leon's power or effectiveness, but there's no great emotional involvement. Regardless of the Driver Profile selected the noise remains fairly bland also.

No surprises
Switching Driver Profile also adjusts the DCC dampers through their three modes of firmness. Unsurprisingly (there it is again), impressions were similar to those of Chris's in a DCC-equipped GTI; there were incremental, discernable gains in body control without a ridiculous increase in harshness through each setting. Even Cupra mode isn't entirely unrealistic on the road, although Sport is probably the best compromise.

Cupra's quick on track but not great fun
Cupra's quick on track but not great fun
What none of the modes offer is an ideal steering response. Even with the additional weight of the Cupra setting it's a little too light and lacking in the kind of feedback you really want in a 280hp front-wheel drive hatch.

That's until the diff starts to do its thing. It elicits a few tugs and a much better sense of connection with the front axle as the torque is redistributed and the Cupra launches itself away from another bend.

But much like the Golf (again), the diff's behaviour can be quite unnerving on both road and track. Hydraulically actuated but electronically controlled, it's that fraction of a second that the electronics take to react that can undermine confidence as the understeer continues but instinct says to keep your foot in. It's that split second where the RCZ R and Megane 265 feel so devastating as the diff hooks up and eliminates understeer. In the Cupra the push comes first and then the diff responds; it's effective eventually but a little unsettling, and makes establishing a rhythm difficult.

19s, black mirrors and spoiler mark out 280
19s, black mirrors and spoiler mark out 280
Furthermore, any attempts to combat the nose-led balance with a lift are largely fruitless. The front will tuck in but there's none of the mobility and adjustability from the back axle that makes a Megane such riotous fun. Non-switchable ESP compounds the problem. That's more understandable in the Golf and Octavia in particular, but shouldn't the SEAT option be just a little more expressive?

In it to win it
There can be no complaints about either gearbox choice though. The DSG is faultless, as we've come to expect. But unless circumstances force an auto, the manual is definitely the best transmission. It's not the shortest shift, but it's light, accurate and quick. Much like the Golf in fact. The pedals are well positioned too, making heel and toe downchanges brilliant fun with that revvy engine.

And on spec issues, the 265 is probably the one to have. On the Castelloli track in a field of 280s, the 265 easily held its own, unsurprising given the insignificant deficit. And there's fun to be had, albeit in a rather formal manner; you admire the speed and the grip without every feeling involved with, or truly taken by, the experience.

Fast and great value; this Cupra is like any other
Fast and great value; this Cupra is like any other
But to conclude that the Leon Cupra is bad because it's too similar to a Golf GTI would be churlish and, more to the point, incorrect. The formula of offering near-as-dammit all the Golf's attributes in a better value package with extra power has proved so successful in the previous two generations of Cupra, so why alter it now? With the Golf arguably on better form than ever, it makes the Leon Cupra a very good and highly talented hot hatch, predictable though that summation may have been.

 


SEAT LEON CUPRA SC 280
Engine:
1,984cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual (6-speed DSG optional), front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 280@ 5,700-6,200rpm (265@5,350-6,600rpm)
Torque (lb ft): 258@1,750-5,600rpm (258@1,750-5,300rpm)
0-62mph: 5.8 (5.9)
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,395kg
MPG: 44.1 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 149g/km
Price: £26,940 (£25,690)

(Figures for the 265, where different, in brackets. DSG only available on the 280 - 0-62mph reduced by a tenth and MPG to 42.2 as well as adding 20kg, 6g/km and £1,285).

 

 









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Discussion

scarecrow

Original Poster:

2,977 posts

236 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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So close to being great by the look of it.
Shame that Seat don't play the lairy card a bit more and be bolder character and style.

LA167

897 posts

187 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Or pay another £3k and have a new S3............

Crusoe

4,068 posts

232 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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even less effort than usual changing the A3 into the leon



dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Crusoe said:
even less effort than usual changing the A3 into the leon


Sure thats not a Kia Pro'Ceed? (yes I do know who's penned what)

I loved my Mk2 Leon, really struggling to like this one and I really wanted to. I think out of the model range of the new Leon the Estate excites me the most. Bring on the ST Cupra.

RedSwede

261 posts

195 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Always negativity at absolutely any car...

From drive the deal, you can have a 3dr 280 manual for £23280. A brand new, waranted, 280bhp car, with active dampers and fancy diff, loads and loads of kit, for 23k. Its a bargain.

LA167 said:
Or pay another £3k and have a new S3............
An S3 3dr manual on drive the deal is £27596. Thats £4300 more - or nearly 20% - more. They are not close, and thats before you ignore the lack of sat nav, cruise, etc, etc

To Add: I don't have one on order, nor do I intend to - I just want to add some balance here!

renaultgeek

473 posts

149 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Reminds me of that ad that used to be on tv, "just like a golf"

However, I'd feel like way less of a sap driving a seat than a vw or audi for that matter.

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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I liked the Mk2 because I personally thought it was quite a handsome hatch and actually looked different to everything else.

This is a bit of a 'grey man' car to me.






kambites

67,608 posts

222 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Sounds like it meets its remit of being a "cheaper, more powerful Golf GTi" and it looks better than the Golf (although worse than the new Octavia) to my eye.

lewisf182

2,089 posts

189 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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The Leon once again is the best looking hot hatch compared to all competitors IMHO. The Mk1 Cupra was gorgeous, the 2nd not so much but better than Golf's and Megane's of the era, this 3rd gen looks fantastic!

Can't wait till these drop a few grand in the next few years, definitely my replacement for the 130

Nors

1,291 posts

156 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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I like this more than the last generation (which sort of had a look of a MPV to me). It's back to form and it's particularly nice in 3 door format.

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Nors said:
I like this more than the last generation (which sort of had a look of a MPV to me). It's back to form and it's particularly nice in 3 door format.
It only looked like an MPV as the Altea took so many styling cues from the Leon which meant they looked very similar. The hatch in isolation looks nothing like a MPV and looks much better parked next to a Mk5 Golf for example though I think the facelifted A3's arguably looked better.

As you can see (Leon is the one on the left if you need help)





Edited by dukebox9reg on Wednesday 12th February 11:52

Ali_T

3,379 posts

258 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Who would have thought, 20 years ago, that I'd be looking at a 280bhp hot hatch that hits 60 in under 6 seconds and feeling completely uninspired but, like the Golf, it's just far too polite. The Golf at least has the excuse that it's meant to be that way and always has, but VAG were trying to make SEAT into a Spanish Alfa and, yet, they just get progressively blander, relying purely on the value card instead of passion and flair.

And that doesn't just go for the Leon. Even Renaults and Peugeots look dull these days, with so little attitude, and Ford have lost the plot on styling, if not talent. Currently, the Astra is actually the only hot hatch that remotely fills the brief, but I'd, personally, wait for the Civic Type R. While every other hot hatch has become apologetic about it's performance, that car looks to carrying a sledgehammer and megaphone.

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

225 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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For those people that don't want 4 stupid f*cking exhausts sticking out of the back of their hot shopping trolley direct from the OEM, this is the ideal car. Q-car. I like it.

Great value proposition.

Nors

1,291 posts

156 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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dukebox9reg said:
It only looked like an MPV as the Altea took so many styling cues from the Leon which meant they looked very similar. The hatch in isolation looks nothing like a MPV and looks much better parked next to a Mk5 Golf for example though I think the facelifted A3's arguably looked better.

As you can see (Leon is the one on the left if you need help)
I see your point. I'm not saying the last model was ugly by any means. I just think this one looks sharper and generally nicer all round.

And yes, I did need help for a minute!laugh

mt308

438 posts

144 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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RedSwede said:
Always negativity at absolutely any car...

From drive the deal, you can have a 3dr 280 manual for £23280. A brand new, waranted, 280bhp car, with active dampers and fancy diff, loads and loads of kit, for 23k. Its a bargain.

LA167 said:
Or pay another £3k and have a new S3............
An S3 3dr manual on drive the deal is £27596. Thats £4300 more - or nearly 20% - more. They are not close, and thats before you ignore the lack of sat nav, cruise, etc, etc

To Add: I don't have one on order, nor do I intend to - I just want to add some balance here!
I have (ordered one) from drive the deal. Not only did they match the figures above, also comes with 0% finance if you have a 50% deposit.

BBS-LM

3,972 posts

225 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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abarber

1,686 posts

242 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Nors said:
I like this more than the last generation (which sort of had a look of a MPV to me). It's back to form and it's particularly nice in 3 door format.
Yes agreed. A bit like the breadvan CTR. Both excellent cars, if you can get past the mini MPV styling aimed at selling the cooking versions, to the masses.

Defconluke

309 posts

155 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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I thought the pictures were of an Ibiza before I looked closer.

ManOpener

12,467 posts

170 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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5 door much, much better looking than the 3-door IMO.
I really like the styling of the Mk3 Leon. As a good looking but discrete 5-door everyday hot hatch I'm struggling to think of anything better. The Audi, despite being similar in shape, is very ugly IMO; the Mk7 no better to look at than the Mk6.
Shame it's no Megane 265 to drive.

WCZ

10,544 posts

195 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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remapped must be pushing 320bhp, nuts!