RE: £10K motorway speeding fines

RE: £10K motorway speeding fines

Tuesday 10th June 2014

£10K motorway speeding fines

You've probably heard the headlines; PH digs deeper to find out what's really going on



Speeding is back in the headlines today with the Government proposing dramatic sounding new fines of up to £10,000 for offences including breaking motorway limits. Justice Minister Jeremy Wright has revealed that the maximum level of fines issued in magistrates' courts could be increased dramatically.

You'll be wanting to keep an eye on these
You'll be wanting to keep an eye on these
However, PistonHeads has spoken to the Ministry of Justice and, despite a number of tabloids reporting differently, this is necessarily as draconian or dramatic as it sounds. Who'd have thought.

The fines won't be issued at will on the side of the road for those caught driving at 80mph on the motorway. Instead, they're simply an increase in the range of fines currently available to magistrates as part of a punishment for serious offences, often combined with custodial sentences. Already, magistrates look at factors such as the seriousness of the offence and your earnings before deciding the amount you'll be fined. This is not changing - instead, the total amount you could be fined for the most serious offences (especially if you're a high earner) could be increased from £2,500 to £10,000.

Essentially, if you're a footballer caught at 140mph on the M6, you'll be hit a little harder than you would have been previously.

Headline grabbing fines the new maximum
Headline grabbing fines the new maximum
But this doesn't mean that all speeding fines will suddenly be based on income. The cap is simply there to prevent cases like that in Switzerland which saw a wealthy motorist fined £656,000. Admittedly, he was driving his Mercedes at 100mph over the limit. But still.

The standard fixed penalty notice for speeding is staying the same at £100 and three points - so if you're snapped by a camera at slightly over the speed limit, the new proposals won't affect you unless you land yourself in court. And, this isn't just the Government continuing its war on motorists. Cyclists could be hit with fines of up to £800 for 'unauthorised cycle racing in a public place', and drunks could be slapped with a £4,000 fine for being drunk and disorderly.

While the Ministry of Justice says fines are not - and will not become - a replacement for time inside, they have admitted that the amount of fines collected hit a record £284m at the end of 2012/13, and the end of this financial year is likely to see even more money raised through such penalties.

 

 

   
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robinessex

Original Poster:

11,059 posts

181 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Oh, yes, so we all believe 'spokemen', don't we. I notice BRAKE are already on the radio blabbering about it.

BRAKE QUOTE

But James McLoughlin, from road safety charity Brake, backed tougher penalties for speeding drivers.

He said: "Speed is one of the biggest killers on our roads and, through the support we provide for victims of road crashes, we bear witness to the devastating effects of speeding.

Where does he get such complete bks from ?

http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/813.htm

Edited by robinessex on Tuesday 10th June 11:44

QuattroDave

1,466 posts

128 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Ker-ching!

This is of course purely about safety and deterring breaking limits, it's in no way seen as a way of bolstering the governments coffers. No Siree, that's literally the last thing they considered when they brought these new measures in wink

smilo996

2,793 posts

170 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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If the amount collected by fines is currently 284mn then it is hardly a money making excerice is this rises by 50mn. UK GDP is in the trillions. If it is to do with more means testing for fines and widening the scope of fines then honestly great.
Good to see the tabloids keeping it real as ever.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

32,880 posts

217 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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QuattroDave said:
Ker-ching!
This is of course purely about safety and deterring breaking limits
Have you read or understood anything about this? It appears you haven't.

There are 5 bands of fines used by courts for all offence types, which happens to include motoring ones.

The court can fine you up to the maximum within the band to which your offence fits.

All that is proposed is the maximum amounts in each band are to be raised.

This applies to all offences, not specifically motoring ones.

sunnydude959

907 posts

127 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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You know what. I give up.

This is absolutely fking ridiculous. £10k fine?!

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

176 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Why not hide all speed cameras, put mobile cameras in horse boxes, builders vans ect.

This would help reduce speeding.

Upatdawn

2,184 posts

148 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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lets have roadside transmitters and car ECU transponders (thingies) and prevent vehicles speeding....

no more fines, no more points, everyone will have a clean licence

shalmaneser

5,934 posts

195 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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sunnydude959 said:
You know what. I give up.

This is absolutely fking ridiculous. £10k fine?!
What is ridiculous about that?

It's a lot of money but if you're stupid enough to be spanking your Porsche turbo S at 190mph you've probably got it coming.

Ali_T

3,379 posts

257 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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robinessex said:
BRAKE QUOTE

But James McLoughlin, from road safety charity Brake, backed tougher penalties for speeding drivers.

He said: "Stupidity is one of the biggest killers on our roads and, through the support we provide for victims of road crashes, we bear witness to the devastating effects of stupidity.
EFT

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

176 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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sunnydude959 said:
You know what. I give up.

This is absolutely ******* ridiculous. £10k fine?!
Why - Don't speed = no fine.

QuattroDave

1,466 posts

128 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
Have you read or understood anything about this? It appears you haven't.

There are 5 bands of fines used by courts for all offence types, which happens to include motoring ones.

The court can fine you up to the maximum within the band to which your offence fits.

All that is proposed is the maximum amounts in each band are to be raised.

This applies to all offences, not specifically motoring ones.
Absolutely no need for that tone.

Yes, I had read the article, just like I listened to it on bbc news this morning, on the radio on the way into work.

My comment steered towards the motoring element because, guess what, we're on a motoring website so I tailored my comment accordingly. Dum dum durrr.

I abhor taking the sarcastic / insulting route on a forum, especially to someone I don't know (or maybe I do, there's plenty of people I'd class as 'zzzzzzzzzzzz'!) but when I get undue criticism of a comment I made which was meant to be in jest then it's only polite to return the favour.

Pistachio

1,116 posts

190 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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It is bizarre when they make a sweeping statement that "Speed Kills"
Speed in itself does not kill, what kills is people who do not know how to apply speed properly.
The M40 as an example can be quite safe when everyone is doing the right thing its just when someone does somthing dumb that problems occur.
Observation is one of the biggest problems - looking ahead far enough and behind.

I would rather they enforced regular yearly eye checks with your RFL applaction, if you have a driving licence as I think there are people who really do need glasses.

Frimley111R

15,663 posts

234 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Speeding fines aren't £100 are they?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

32,880 posts

217 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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The story could equally have been reported as "violent offenders to face increased fines", as the changes affect a whole spectrum of offences, not just motoring.

However, I suspect that would not have got the "Oh my god! Profit, profit, profit, profit, cash cow, motorist" responses from all the hard of thinking.

theJT

313 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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I like the Swiss "link it to income" thing. If they fined me £1000 for speeding that would really hurt me, I'd struggle to find the money to pay that, but for a lot of people - like the aforementioned asshole with his 911 - it would be pocket change.

I've got no problem with them punishing people for driving dangerously, and kicking them hard in the wallet is an effective way of punishing rich assholes that don't think the law applies to them, but "dangerously" is the operative word here. There's nothing dangerous about doing 100 on an empty motorway in a modern car that's in good condition. There's plenty dangerous about doing 50 on a single track country backroad with no sight lines, despite it being nominally a 60 limit since it was never surveyed properly.

As ever, people would respect the speed limits more if they believed they were grounded even slightly in reality as opposed to being made up at random.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

32,880 posts

217 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Speeding is level 3 in the fine bands, the maximum fine being £1000.

You would need to be earning £700 to £1000 net per week and have committed the most serious speeding offence to get near that now.

Increasing the maximum will not affect those below those earnings levels.

ManFromDelmonte

2,742 posts

180 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Oh Christ. Did anyone bother reading the article or did everyone stop at the headline before posting?

dingocooke

670 posts

220 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Frimley111R said:
Speeding fines aren't £100 are they?
Not unless they have changed very recently; I got a fixed penalty SP30 in December with £60 fine and 3 points, or the option of no points and £90 speed awareness four hour course.
Looks like poor research/standard journalism?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

32,880 posts

217 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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ManFromDelmonte said:
Oh Christ. Did anyone bother reading the article or did everyone stop at the headline before posting?
I think most have read the headline, put plugs in ears and got straight onto sharpening the pitchforks.

666 SVT

1,052 posts

240 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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It may however deter somebody from appealing and going to court even if they have legitimate grounds. Pay the £100 and don't risk a massive fine if you lose ?