RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5): PH Heroes

RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5): PH Heroes

Tuesday 8th July 2014

Honda Integra Type R (DC5): PH Heroes

We've already bestowed PH Hero status on the DC2; now we do the same for its DC5 successor



Every PHer knows and respects the Honda Integra Type R. Let's qualify that: everyone knows and respects the Integra DC2. The latter day DC5 is a much less well-known quantity: unlike the DC2, it was only ever a 'grey' in the UK and is a far rarer sight on our roads.

DC5 took all we love about DC2 and went further
DC5 took all we love about DC2 and went further
The trouble with the DC5 is that it's always lived in the shadow of the DC2. Even in its day, the DC2 Type R was an acknowledged true great: indeed, it's perhaps best-handling front-wheel drive car of all time, with one of revviest engines a road car has ever had to boot. How the hell do you follow an icon like that? Look up 'tough act' in the dictionary and it might as well just say 'DC2'.

But early-noughties-era Honda - in the midst of a purple patch populated by the Civic Type R, S2000 and NSX - made a pretty good fist of it. The DC2's successor would be larger and more practical, but also with extra tech to make it arguably a better all-rounder. Honda proceeded to gather a team of ex-Formula 1 engineers and build a new 'teg with chunkier styling, an expanded 2.0-litre engine and a six speeds rather than five.

Geekery galore in Honda's screaming i-VTEC
Geekery galore in Honda's screaming i-VTEC
It's all about the revs
At the heart of the newcomer was Honda's fresh K20 1,998cc engine - some 200cc bigger than the DC2's B18C engine. Despite this, the new powerplant was actually 10kg lighter. As ever, Honda threw all sorts of clever (and definitely non-turbo) tech at the engine, including a short 'isometric' intake manifold, dual exhaust manifolds, variable-valve silencer, plus a high-strength crankshaft and con rods.

The K20 also boasted a revised version of VTEC called "i-VTEC" (that's 'i' for 'intelligent'). This basically added VTC (Variable Timing Control) that could advance or retard the valve timing, in contrast to previous VTEC incarnations that merely adjusted the lift and duration.

DC5's design is a lot sharper than DC2
DC5's design is a lot sharper than DC2
The result? More usable and rather flatter torque and power curves. But the 2.0-litre four was still as peaky as the Swiss Alps - and still unmistakably a VTEC. It revved eagerly all the way up to an 8,400rpm redline, with the sort of on/off VTEC switchover that Honda has long since abandoned: at 6,000rpm, the high-lift cams simply lit up, working their magic like a lightning bolt from Ali Baba's wand.

The new Type R also benefitted from a completely new six-speed close-ratio manual gearbox. Compared to the previous five-speeder, the more compact 'box (shorter by 20mm) helped drop its weight by 2.5kg. And how's this for a claim: the DC5 Type R was the world's first 2.0-litre car to use multiple synchromesh cones for all gears (triple-cone first and second, double-cone third to sixth). Ooh! And a forged chromoly flywheel reduced inertia for sharper response and acceleration.

Six-speed 'box gives you more to work with
Six-speed 'box gives you more to work with
Hard body
There was substantial body strengthening throughout the Type R, with torsional rigidity up 116 per cent compared to the DC2. Lots of aluminium bits (for instance the bumper beam, front strut bar, front lower arms and rear brake callipers) helped lighten weight, as did the dearth of sound-deadening trim, particularly in the boot area.

Despite all the weight-saving measures, there was no escaping the fact that the DC5 did weigh more than the old DC2. Although it had exactly the same wheelbase and overall length was no bigger, the DC5 was both taller and wider, and overall 60kg heavier (albeit still a relatively light 1,180kg).

More rounded without diluting the core values
More rounded without diluting the core values
The DC5's suspension consisted of struts up front and a double wishbone rear. The Type R had some pretty hard settings and a thick rear anti-roll bar, while unique lightweight alloy wheels contributed to reducing unsprung mass. The front brakes (jointly developed with Brembo) used four-piston aluminium calipers, while 300mm vented discs and Ferodo pads offered plenty of bite.

Jaunty - a bit like a Ferrari...
The DC5's chunky shape was in sharp contrast to the DC2's lithe curves. Honda's "sharp and solid" design ethos translated, in Honda's words, to "highly aerodynamic 'aero-cabin' styling with a distinctive personality, and an unusual kind of solidity that skilfully integrates a sense of jaunty nimbleness with a strong presence."

Yeah, right. 'Aero-cabin' translated as cab-forward (a style much favoured at the time), and the shape was the work of Hideaki Uchino, who had recently finished a stint at Pininfarina. He cited the success (in his view) of the Ferrari 360 Modena's higher stance compared to the old 355, so the DC5 could be viewed as 'Uchino's 360'. Four multi-reflector headlights set in pairs into the V-shaped nose were echoed at the rear with cylindrical taillights.

You can even get matching kiddie seat versions...
You can even get matching kiddie seat versions...
Inside, Honda described the cabin as "dynamic yet also snug." It was certainly a lot less snug than the DC2's - which barely even qualified a 2+2 - as the DC5 had enough rear seat space to fit two adults in reasonable comfort and even - thanks to the compact rear suspension design - a very usable flat-floored boot. The cabin also featured a full roster of enthusiast goodies, including Recaro seats, a Momo leather steering wheel, four dials with red illuminated characters and polished aluminium pedals, gear lever, handbrake lever and console trim.

Update or die
When it was launched in 2001, the DC5 was officially the replacement for not only the Integra DC2 but the Prelude as well. At least, it was in Japan: the DC5 Type R was only ever a JDM offering (in 220hp guise, that is - an Integra Type R was also sold in New Zealand but it only had 200hp). Honda UK declared that the DC5 would be too similar to the new Civic Type R EP3 to import it here - possibly disingenuously as the 'teg had a totally different body style and far superior performance.

There was just one major upgrade in the DC5's lifetime, in September 2004: a front- and rear-end restyle featuring new squared-off lights, redesigned bumpers and revised air intakes and grille. Inside were new white gauges and titanium-coloured trim, plus new keyless entry, HDD sat nav and auto-levelling HID headlamp options. Under the skin, the suspension was improved with harder bushes, tougher mountings, and there was a larger brake master cylinder and tougher pedal mountings.

Red bits distract from the hard black bits
Red bits distract from the hard black bits
Fastest FWD by far
At the time of its launch in 2001, the DC5 may very well have been the fastest front-wheel drive car on sale. Compared to the DC2, there was a lot more low-down torque. The raw figures were a peak output of 220hp at 8,000rpm and torque of 152lb ft at 7,000rpm. The v-max was 150mph and 0-60mph was somewhere around the 6.5-second mark - in other words, slightly quicker than the DC2 - while Honda claimed a quarter-mile time of 14.3 seconds, nearly a second faster than the DC2.

The new six-speed gearbox was fantastically precise and had a light, short throw between gears, although (as I once found out on Llandow circuit) it's all too easy to slot it into the wrong gear. I didn't see exactly where the rev counter ended up, but Honda's bulletproof engine simply dealt with the screaming abuse I'd dealt it.

So what about handling? The question of whether the DC2 or DC5 has the better chassis is hotly debated. Personally, I would contend that in fact the JDM Civic Type R FD2 probably marked the pinnacle of Honda's FWD chassis development arc, but the DC5 runs it very close. Yes, there is some body roll, but in terms of precision and dialling out understeer, it's just so right and helped no end by the limited-slip diff. Grip is definitely better than the DC2's, especially at the rear end. The '5' can be made to oversteer if you're really hooning it, and if the road is wide enough a dab of the jolly old oppo will bring it neatly back into line.

Diff puts VTEC power to road, chassis sublime
Diff puts VTEC power to road, chassis sublime
The rack-and-pinion steering with its variable assistance remains one of the great achievements of the DC5: ultra-precise, ultra-quick (2.6 turns lock to lock) and with a turn-in is as crisp as a Heston Blumenthal triple-cooked chip.

End of an era
Japanese market sales of the DC5 Type R totalled a modest 12,247, with most of those being shifted in the first two years (4,875 in 2001, and 3,431 in 2002). In the final year on sale (2005), just 997 Type Rs were sold.

When the Integra DC5 was axed in 2005, it was the end of the Integra line. Japanese enthusiasts were pushed towards the new Civic Type R FD2, which, when it finally arrived in 2007, was described as the replacement for both the 'teg Type R and Civic EP3 Type R.

Want a DC5 now? Of course you do. The obvious colour of choice for the Integra is Championship White like the one pictured, kindly supplied by owner Aaron Houghton and currently on sale in the PH Classifieds for £13,450. That's top whack, reflecting its condition, but you can find them for less and in a broader, if rarer, range of colours including red, blue, black and silver. Whatever you end up spending, for one of the best-handling cars ever - and one with, let it be said, an almost perfect reliability record - that's a price many will find well worth paying.





   

Thanks to Integra owner Aaron Houghton; the car pictured is for sale, see the ad here.

Photos: Tom Begley

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Discussion

MissChief

Original Poster:

7,110 posts

168 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Lovely cars, there's a very nice looking blue one in my street but I just can't think every time I see one that they're overpriced? £14k for a car that is 8 years old, 'enthusiast' car or not just seems steep for me but I guess people are paying these prices.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I've driven both, and owned two DC2s. The DC5 is a good hot hatch...but the DC2 is a DC2. Unique and fantastic.

MissChief said:
Lovely cars, there's a very nice looking blue one in my street but I just can't think every time I see one that they're overpriced? £14k for a car that is 8 years old, 'enthusiast' car or not just seems steep for me but I guess people are paying these prices.
That car is a facelift. Much later and much rarer, hence the price. You can get the pre-facelift for not much over half that price.


Veeayt

3,139 posts

205 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Why DC5? As above, it definitely should be DC2.

kambites

67,568 posts

221 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Veeayt said:
Why DC5? As above, it definitely should be DC2.
As further above, they've already done the DC2. tongue out

Veeayt

3,139 posts

205 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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kambites said:
Veeayt said:
Why DC5? As above, it definitely should be DC2.
As further above, they've already done the DC2. tongue out
But then DC5 is nowhere near as good and there are much more PH heroes out there grumpy

soad

32,895 posts

176 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Veeayt said:
Why DC5? As above, it definitely should be DC2.
Newer car. wink

zeppelin101

724 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I had one for about 8 months. Wonderful machine - perhaps slightly let down by a lack of damping on B roads over here, but none the less, bloody good fun to chuck around.

I'd have another in a heartbeat. I got myself and a mate with two bikes and provisions for a week mountain biking in the lake district in the back, zipped all the way from the north east to the lake district (averaging 35mpg), hauled around the lakes for a week and then zipped back and it never missed a beat. I love the fact that the cabin is quite tall, plenty of space for a helmet clad human on track even if you're over 6'.

The engine is a masterpiece, sounds great and geared perfectly for most stuff other than prolonged motorway use. I'd definitely like to get in another, it would do family duties pretty well with a level of additional comfort over a DC2 in terms of noise insulation.

Fantastic cars.

muppet42

331 posts

205 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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A chap owned a phase 1 DC5 (prefer the earlier styling though like the sound of the refinements they brought in - much like an S2000 I guess) just near where I lived and still gets various imports and such - always interesting to see them up close. It was finished in the metallic blue and I have to say, I loved the look of it. Been wanting to get a screaming VTEC of some description for years but good ones for an amount I can afford are few and far between frown

I'll probably get an EP3 or similar soon I think but I'd love to get either a DC2 or 5 smile

On the subject of Hondas, I did see an FD2 in Championship White not all that long ago and the amount of rust on it considering the age was horrendous. I know it's an import but was shocked probably as the white highlighted it so much. My '97 Coupe has less rust than that one did tongue out

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I tried to buy one a year & a half ago as a sort of tempory daily/track car. To be honest, I was majorly disappointed at just how rough the ones a saw were. Not that fast either frown

The worst part however, was the wife's exactions to it.

She's put up with all kinds of cars from me, but she steadfastly refused to be seen anywhere near one. Said it looked like some chav chariot

rossub

4,442 posts

190 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I tried to buy one a year & a half ago as a sort of tempory daily/track car. To be honest, I was majorly disappointed at just how rough the ones a saw were. Not that fast either frown

The worst part however, was the wife's exactions to it.

She's put up with all kinds of cars from me, but she steadfastly refused to be seen anywhere near one. Said it looked like some chav chariot
My o/h has had hers for 7 years now and absolutely refuses to sell it!

hondafreek

225 posts

170 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Had one for 8 years, I have toyed with the idea of selling for something more modern, but I struggle to find anything that ticks all the boxes like the DC5 does. FD2 is a great car, but not a pretty as the DC5.

dufunk

182 posts

123 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Had a DC2 with header, vtec controller etc it was as raw as you could get revving to 9k i shed as much weight out it as i could, if you did the same to the dc5 it would be pocket rocket also probably has more sound proofing get rid of it! The usable torque on these compared to dc2's would be nice that was the only frustrating thing with the dc2 that and the aches/quarter panels rusting.

Edited by dufunk on Tuesday 8th July 16:44

Kozy

3,169 posts

218 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I love the styling of these but my pick would be the CL7 Accord personally.

Same powerplant but a better chassis underneath, even Mr Spoon prefers it to the DC5.


fullleather

228 posts

121 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I was after a dc5 just over a year ago...it was actually the old man who suggested a 2000 instead, reading up further on the 2000 I realised how special these cars are...independent wishbone suspension, aluminium bonnet/roof, the x-bone chassis design. More than anything I wanted a car which 'pushed' rather than 'pulled' rear seats were not important either.........but if I had the extra money I would certainly be interested in this facelift 'Teg' as advertised, the other colour which I thought looked good was silver but I have never seen a facelift in this colour (early models yes)

sinbad666

184 posts

208 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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One of the best cars I have owned and still miss both of mine to this day. Also had a DC2 and I thought the DC5 was a more grown up better all round Hero. The DC2 was great for a weekend toy but the DC5 was much better to live with yet still had the rawness for A road blasts. Felt like a smaller lighter, sportier Accord Type R. Totally reliable, only needed normal service consumables and a drop link. Modified both my Dc5's and it made it come alive with a few breathing mods.

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Kozy said:
I love the styling of these but my pick would be the CL7 Accord personally.

Same powerplant but a better chassis underneath, even Mr Spoon prefers it to the DC5.
But that ignores the context in which Mr. Spoon prefers the Accord over the DC5.

In standard guise the Accord is heavier and slower. It may have a 'better chassis' but that's only if you strip it down and modify it to exploit that chassis.

Personally the DC5 is top in 2014 as a used buy. The FD2 just doesn't look nice.

TB Rich

349 posts

219 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Do like DC5's, used to really want one a number of years ago, but even back then a top import was around 13k so shocked to see a top car is still 13k. Its a shame I forgot all about them when I bought my 200 last year but kinda glad as it seems a bargain compared to a DC5. Also for only a few grand more than this DC5 you can get into a an early GT86. I think 10k would be the top I'd pay for a DC5 IMO.

DanielSan

18,793 posts

167 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Really miss my DC5, by far the most fun car to drive I've owned/driven. Put some decent rubber on it and very little this side of an Evo can keep pace with them.

Also did a back to back drive on the same road with a friends DC2 and I preferred the 5 by a long way. More grip, better turn in imo and the 6 speed box makes it a lot easier to keep in VTEC. If someone offered me a straight swap tomorrow for my S2000 I'd be considering going back to one very very seriously.

P4ROT

1,219 posts

193 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Good shout RE hero status, would love one of these at some point- although would still be more interested in owning the DC2,EK9 and EP3 before I looked at one of these...

My mate's got an early s2000 and it's a great car with lots of cool engineering (I love the way the air-con turns off when Vtec engages- makes perfect sense as well as being really cool!).

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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What no mention of it's BTCC credentials? It did do quite well.