Resit after disqualification - Bike or Car (Scotland)

Resit after disqualification - Bike or Car (Scotland)

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Akuka

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22 posts

112 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Caught at an average speed of 97mph on bike last year, got done with dangerous driving, DD40, disqualified for a year, fined £400. Ordered to resit test.

Question is can this be done on car or bike? Ive heard i can do either and get all entitlements back.

Can anyone confirm this?


shoestring7

6,138 posts

247 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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curlie467

7,650 posts

202 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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This happened to me many many moons ago. They forgot to mention to whoever deals with it that I had to resit so they just handed my license back after the year was up.
Hope that happens for you!
Don't know the answer to your question though, sorry.

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

164 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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This:

https://www.gov.uk/driving-disqualifications/disqu...

Implies you have to do both...

"Book and take a theory and practical test (or compulsory basic training (CBT) and motorcycle practical test if you ride a motorcycle). If you’re disqualified until ‘extended test pass’, book an extended practical test (which lasts 70 minutes). The fees are higher for extended tests."

However, it is not that clear as the "Or" could be taken to be for people with only a motorbike license, or that you have a choice.

There is nothing clear and I think most people will just be guessing. Best to call the DVLA.

Akuka

Original Poster:

22 posts

112 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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SS7, unfortunately im not allowed to post there yet, been on the PH site for a good few years when it was mainly TVR but just actually got round to registering for the forums.

Curlie, funnily you should mention that, when i had my day in court last year i cant remember the judge saying anything about a resit, and also the article in the local paper never mentioned anything either, where as other guys in the same newspaper, always had that they were banned and ordered to resit their test.

I can only live in hope and should find out anyday now. Just waiting on license coming through the door, ban is up on 3rd Feb.

Akuka

Original Poster:

22 posts

112 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Steve, i had read that from the Dvla site before but as usual its lacking clarity on the matter, just have to wait and see. I passed car test 17 years ago and bike test only 3 years ago so may do it on bike as i feel that may be fresher in my mind.


Biker's Nemesis

38,689 posts

209 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I got a 6 month ban in 1983, my licence came back from DVLA with the points on a good while before my ban was up.

I got a 3 year ban in 1984 and had to apply to get that back but at least it came back clean minus the 37 points

I got banned for 2 weeks in 2009 for doing 104 on the M6. The magistrate put the points on there and then where I was told not to drive for 2 weeks.

I would wait and see if it comes bac from the dvla, if it doesn't just apply for it back and don't mention anything about a re test

3DP

9,917 posts

235 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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^^ +1 If it went to court, there's quite a lot of scope for human error. When I was banned for a month in 1999, they forgot to mention points in court, which seemed to cause confusion when getting insurance quotes post-ban as there are a guideline number of points to be handed out for my offences and I got none (just the ban and near £600 fine).

If a re-sit wasn't mentioned, I'd just apply to get it back or whatever the process is and hope they just return it as per normal bans.

What makes you think a re-sit of tests was required beyond that paper? If not ordered in court to re-sit, shirley it should just be a return of the license after a year? I've known a couple of people to get a DD code (admittedly not in the last 10 years) and neither have had to re-sit tests.

shielsy

826 posts

130 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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i don't have the answer, but that's a pretty hefty sentence for 97mph. did you tell the magistrate to get fked or something?

barker22

1,037 posts

168 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I can answer factually OP
You can do it in either basically, whichever works out cheapest and easier would be best, probably car tbh.
A friend was banned in a car and re-sit the test on a bike(he actually never originally had a bike licence) but when he got it through all his previous categories were on there. This makes sense as imagine if you had to re-sit a test for each category.

scorcher

3,986 posts

235 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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shielsy said:
i don't have the answer, but that's a pretty hefty sentence for 97mph. did you tell the magistrate to get fked or something?
says he got done for dangerous driving so guessing it was more than just a simple case of speeding. must of been some other factors presumably?

dapearson

4,355 posts

225 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Holy st! Was that an average speed measured through a town centre, past a school, across a crossing with a lolipop lady, and did you stick two fingers up to the pope while popping a wheelie?

Akuka

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22 posts

112 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Scorcher, it was speeding, basically they said the speed was dangerous. It was on a 50mph dual carriageway, i had only had the bike two days and it was the first time i had the bottle to give it the full beans. I was timed over a distance of 0.25 mile, which i covered in 8 seconds so was probably topping 120/125mph. Although it was a clear road (i never moved out the left hand lane) and never overtook anyone it was construed as dangerous driving.

Akuka

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22 posts

112 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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And up here in Scotland, dangerous driving carries a mandatory 1 year ban and resit.

Another point to mention that boiled my blood - was in the court talking to a chap that was up for drink driving, looked at the court section in the paper that evening, the guy got 12 month ban reduced to 9 if he went on a drink driving course and also got £100 less fine than me. Also after his ban is up he gets his license back after only a medical i believe.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

178 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Biker's Nemesis said:
I got a 6 month ban in 1983, my licence came back from DVLA with the points on a good while before my ban was up.

I got a 3 year ban in 1984 and had to apply to get that back but at least it came back clean minus the 37 points

I got banned for 2 weeks in 2009 for doing 104 on the M6. The magistrate put the points on there and then where I was told not to drive for 2 weeks.

I would wait and see if it comes bac from the dvla, if it doesn't just apply for it back and don't mention anything about a re test
Bloody hell it's over 5 years since that incident on the M6. Wow!

If we're confessing I got an 18 month ban in 1990 for an incident involving a lot of things that carried high points and discretionary bans.

OP it's a good question, logic would suggest that you get your full licence back with all entitlements once you resit your test on whichever vehicle caused you to lose your licence.

I wonder if you could get it back if you chose not to ride bikes again?

Akuka

Original Poster:

22 posts

112 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I have already recieved the D1 form, sent it away in December so just waiting to see if a provisional or full license comes through the letter box.

I dont think i would be so lucky to get full license, as if i was that lucky i wouldnt have been caught haha

CraigT007

48 posts

134 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Akuka, I've been there.
You're right, in Scotland anything over 100 is deemed dangerous driving. You're 97 is more than equivalent to 100+ on the motorway. Minimum 1 year ban and test resit. Extended test. I've done two. All speeding, all motorway.

When I got my licence back it had a typed message "Disqualified until test passed" below the DD50 and £1,000 fine.
When I did eventually pass my test, the DVLA simply took a pen and strike through the previous message and added a further had written "Test Passed". A killer for insurance purposes for five years hence. (yes, five, not four... or three)

More bad news is that I had to wait until I had the licence in my possession, book a theory then a book a practical test. It all costs more too. Then there's the additional insurance premiums. For several years.

I'm sorry to be the harbinger of doom, but this seriously got me p1ssed off for many years after such a petty, short lived, little event.

I have heard of Scotland Dangerous Driving fines being issued and shorter than the 1 year ban and resit for 100+, but it's rare.

Hope you get or find a way around the test. You'll be back on the road for the season anyway... if you can insure your machine. (I chose car test each time)

sc0tt

18,054 posts

202 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Never seen a point or a ban

3DP

9,917 posts

235 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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There's really not a lot of incentive for stopping in Scotland if you are seen doing big speeds is there.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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CraigT007 said:
Akuka, I've been there.
When I did eventually pass my test, the DVLA simply took a pen and strike through the previous message and added a further had written "Test Passed". A killer for insurance purposes for five years hence. (yes, five, not four... or three)

Does this mean your insurance premiums are still inflated 5 years after getting your licence back so more than 5 years after conviction?