RE: BMW i8 vs The Real World

RE: BMW i8 vs The Real World

Monday 19th January 2015

BMW i8 vs The Real World

Looks like the sports car of the future but does it actually drive like one? Take two in the BMW i8



The 'real world' offering in the rarified league of carbon fibre petrol-electric sports cars, the BMW i8 is no P1, LaFerrari or 918 Spyder in performance terms. Not that anyone who sees it seems to care. Indeed, while all of the above could slip by innocent bystanders as 'just' normal supercars the i8 has star quality in spades and is so obviously something new and different even non-car folk seem genuinely awe-struck.

A mix of the familiar and the space age
A mix of the familiar and the space age
Star quality that extends to whomever happens to be at the wheel too - pull up kerbside and by the time you open that carbon butterfly door you'll have a small crowd and camera phone paparazzi waiting to hang on your every word about the driving experience. Crave the quiet life? Not the car for you...

That £99K starting price is interesting too, pitching the i8 directly into the line of sight of the serial 911 buyer who, just might, be looking for something a bit different or eying up electric friendly grants and congestion charging for driving to that City office block. Tempting as the F-Types, R8s, Merc-AMG GTs and similar alternatives at this price might be they all look a little dinosaur-like in the company of the i8, which achieves that rare thing of being incredibly expensive, exotic, unashamedly performance focused and yet totally socially acceptable too.

Fair play - it looks like nothing else
Fair play - it looks like nothing else
The IT crowd
Harris drove the i8 in the sympathetic surroundings of California and Matt had a go up in the wilds of Scotland but for this test we used the i8 in more everyday surroundings, hacking the daily commute and heading up the M1 for a meeting in the way anyone might use a 'normal' sports car like a 911. Electrically plumbed parking spaces at the office meant a chance to charge the battery for maximum EV goodness but the rest of the time it was just a case of jumping in and using it like any other test car.

First thought? Getting anywhere near that official 134.5mpg is going to require your very lightest loafers, the best the PH clogs could achieve being less than half that on a mixed commute of stop-start motorway traffic and a bit of urban crawl. OK, so it was winter and we're soft enough to want heated seats on in addition to the rather more compulsory lights, wipers and similar. Still impressive for a 362hp sports car, not so much for a supposed eco champion even driven in a style intended to maximise regenerative charging opportunities and minimise intervention from the 1.5-litre petrol engine.

Slightly out of its comfort zone out here
Slightly out of its comfort zone out here
An inbound journey with barely any battery saw 45mpg; the return fully charged had the trip showing 99mpg running on mainly electric for the first five miles of urban driving before dropping to a less impressive mid 50s once on dual carriageways and motorway. Dig deeper into the i8 literature and these are actually more representative of BMW's official expectations. Funnily enough that triple-digit combined figure has rather drowned that out though. There are tricks to be learned - following a tip from the delivery driver we enjoyed the fact Sport mode that keeps the petrol engine engaged also does an excellent job of charging the battery. A rather more sophisticated answer can be found by programming your route into the nav, whereupon the computers analyse the profile and calculates where to use petrol power, where to switch to electric and where the best re-gen opportunities may lie. Clever stuff.

Glimpses of carbon weave = geek cool
Glimpses of carbon weave = geek cool
Hands-on experience
For sure it is a lovely place to spend time though. The bits you interact with most of the time - nav, phone, entertainment - are all familiar from other BMWs and no worse for that. In all other respects you remain in a permanent level of sheer childlike glee at the sci-fi styling, the way the cool blue lighting contrasts with the white leather, the quality and style of execution and combination of novelty and practicality. Yes, the nursery run was attempted and it's just about possible to run a Maxi-Cosi on the back seat and put a full-sized adult in the one in front of it, accepting a trade-off in legroom. You wouldn't want to do a long run thus but, like a 911, as an emergency family car it just about pulls it off. And leaving the child seat in lets you park in parent and child spaces with a chance of exiting properly, rather than on your hands and knees through a partially opened aperture. What was that about looking cool?

Gets a little bit weird towards the ragged edge
Gets a little bit weird towards the ragged edge
Would you be missing that Porsche on those snatched moments on a deserted B-road though? Up to about eight tenths the i8 manages to pull off being a proper sports car pretty convincingly. Sport mode brings the petrol engine into the equation aurally as well as in propulsive terms, even if from inside it doesn't sound entirely convincing. Surprisingly it sounds much better from the outside, the three-cylinder managing to sound far more rorty than its Mini roots would suggest.

What it lacks in cylinders or cubic capacity it makes up for in electrically assisted thrust, picking up assertively on the throttle and offering the kind of lag-free response that'll have heads thwacking against seats and already impressed passengers nodding further approval. Integration between the methods of combustion and braking is all very convincing too, both pedals delivering what you might have expected from a 'normal' car of this pace and ability.

Guilty as charged
Until, that is, you start approaching the limits that in a properly sorted conventional sports car are so delightful to nudge against. Whether it's weight distribution, geometry, steering or the interaction between all those drivetrain elements is hard to say but there are moments when pressing on that the i8 seems far keener on building speed than shedding it, often at inopportune moments. Brake hard into a corner and the vague steering feel, inherent understeer and juggling act of braking and re-gen can sometimes result in a free-wheeling, heart-in-mouth sense things are about to go expensively wrong. And on more aggressive throttle inputs at corner exit you're never quite sure which axle (and, by extension, power source) is going to dictate the cornering attitude. Remember - you've got 231hp of petrol-engined power to the rear wheels via a six-speed transmission and 131hp electric to the fronts with a two-speed, leaving it to the black boxes to decide how much of what goes where and when. No wonder they're not always able to come up with a consistent answer.

Does it work out of the city limits?
Does it work out of the city limits?
Up to this point the i8 offers a videogame-like sense of invincibility - at times it feels like a virtual reality experience with the road and other traffic projected onto the windscreen. But at the point where things suddenly start to get a bit real it rather runs out of ideas and falls back on the stability control. This, combined with the real-world mpg, starts to raise questions about whether or not this really is The Answer or simply a very complex and expensive stop-gap. Had the i8, for instance, a Tesla-like all-electric powertrain it'd all of a sudden be a true forward-thinker. Similarly it doesn't quite have the purity of purpose of the VW XL1 and seems a little uncertain of exactly who it's playing to. If you do use that 911 (other sports cars are available) for the daily grind into Canary Wharf an i8 makes a pretty convincing case. If, on the other hand, you save it for those Sunday morning blasts or track days you may end up disappointed.

As it stands the i8 is very, very, very impressive right up to the point at which it's not. The wow factor is undeniable, the investment of technology, money and pluck equally laudable. But is there real substance beyond the considerable style? It'd take more time than we had with the car to find out. If anyone's taken the plunge now's the time to share your impressions...


BMW i8
Engine:
1,499cc 3-cyl turbo plus lithium-ion battery pack and electric motor
Transmission: Six-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 362 (combustion engine 231@5,800rpm, electric motor 131@4,800rpm)
Torque (lb ft): 420 (combustion engine 236@3,700rpm, electric motor 184@0rpm)
0-62mph: 4.4 seconds
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,560kg (EU)
MPG: 134.5 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 49g/km
Price: £99,845 (£106,110 as tested including 20-inch BMW i Turbine wheels £1,380, Driving Assistant package £1,490, Anthracite headlining £295, Carpo interior wood £1,150, internet £95, Ionic Silver with BMW i Blue accent £450, Harman/Kardon speakers £895, BMW i Blue seatbelts £310 and universal remote control £200. List price without Government grant).

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Frimley111R

Original Poster:

15,662 posts

234 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I feel like the 'wow' is wearing off these now. Also, its really not a sportscar, much more a GT.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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These are a bit Kim Kardashian for me.

Not bad looking from the front, but a hideous rear end.

Schnellmann

1,893 posts

204 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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In the real world most of those people buying new 911s (excluding perhaps the GT models) are not the sort of people that are going to drive hard enough to notice the dynamic short comings of the i8 and therefore it seems like a pretty good alternative.

Personally I would like to slap the person on here the first wrote that the i8 'look like it is giving birth to a 911". I couldn't immediately see what they were saying...but now that I have I can't "unsee" it and the i8 looks really odd at the rear because of that!

toys

239 posts

259 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I love my i3 (pure EV) - it is a perfect solution to my (admittedly short-range) transport needs. However, much as I respect the engineering involved in the i8, my £100k (I wish!) would go towards a 991 C2S or Tesla P85D instead.

mini1380cc

2,944 posts

171 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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231bhp from the 1.5 3 cylinder! Highly stressed much?

unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I had an email offering a test drive in one of these so I accepted purely out of curiosity as I have no intention of getting one. I think these will date faster than yesterday's newspapers.

If it had to be new, I'd take an F-Type R over this every day.

kambites

67,565 posts

221 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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So basically it does everything well except drive? I suppose that'll be enough for the large number of buyers who never push their cars remotely near to their limits anyway.

I've seen a few on the road now and the styling looks... geeky, is probably the best word. Looks alright for the moment but I think it'll age terribly.

GingerMunky

1,166 posts

257 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I think the really test for these electric cars will come in a few years, when batteries need to be changed and the costs associated give people a different view on cost of ownership. It will also be interesting how the second hand market will price the issue of battery condition / replacement.

hwajones

775 posts

181 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I can think of many, many, many other things I would do with £106,110...
All of them giving a 0-60 option of less than 4.4secs

Escort Si-130

3,272 posts

180 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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The exact same thing I was thinking.

mini1380cc said:
231bhp from the 1.5 3 cylinder! Highly stressed much?

zeppelin101

724 posts

192 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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mini1380cc said:
231bhp from the 1.5 3 cylinder! Highly stressed much?
Not a bit of it. VAG have a 400+hp capable 4 cylinder in the works and ~150hp/l isn't that uncommon in the performance market place.

hondafanatic

4,969 posts

201 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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hornetrider said:
These are a bit Kim Kardashian for me.

Not bad looking from the front, but a hideous rear end.
Someone mentioned that it looks like it's pooping out a 911. And once seen, cannot be unseen.

KarlMac

4,480 posts

141 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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zeppelin101 said:
Not a bit of it. VAG have a 400+hp capable 4 cylinder in the works and ~150hp/l isn't that uncommon in the performance market place.
Fiesta ST Mountune isn't far off that is it?

Shine seems to be wearing off these now, probably due to the massive hype rather than its shortcomings.

Mephistofleas

1,385 posts

190 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Still love the whole concept of these and I'm really glad BMW, Tesla etc. went to production on their respective vehicles.

I think as alluded to above we are some years away from how this will impact average Joe and his Mondeo. Also a mass switch to electric likely to impact on all sorts such as the oil industry, electricity grid etc. and I'm really interested to see what if any predictions are being made by analysts.

My personal view is I would like electric to almost replace diesel cars but retain smaller, turbo powered petrol engines as an option, hybrids and a smattering of 'specialist' cars (911, Mx GTs, big lazy V8s etc.) for the true enthusiast.

To get there we need better, greener(ick!) and more efficient electricity generation etc etc.

Lots to ponder and some interesting times ahead I think...

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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This is so vastly more desirable to me than anything Tesla makes. And its only V1.0 of this tech, i am sure BMW will improve it over time.

I would happily commute to london in one every day

wildatheart

160 posts

179 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Sounds great

BugLebowski

1,033 posts

116 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Yea its the future and it's fantastic and on trend etc etc. but it would be hard to choose this over a 911.

okie592

2,711 posts

167 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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350bhp? Why not just get a 335d mapped wink

jamespink

1,218 posts

204 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I clearly understand the vast R+D budget has to be recouped but I do not think the £100k price is anything to do with that (many makers have had halo/vanity/loss making cars in production (Lexus LFA, Honda NSX, Veyron etc). It looks like the sales guys said "this is what we think we can get for it". However lovely it may look (I think even the i3 looks spectacular in its segment) I can't think its where my £100k would go, especially with the future running cost imponderables (batteries etc) yet to be declared.

erics

2,663 posts

211 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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there will always be nay sayers. I drove one on a few occasions. Once for a weekend. I could not disagree more with Dan Trent.

The only thing I would agree is that it is not a track car.

Otherwise, it is an exilarating car to own. Not necessarily for the performance, but as a whole package.

The review is extremely short sighted and a contrast to the dozens of other reviews from more experienced / respected journalists.