997 Turbo upgrade to 9e 28 by Nine Excellence (pic heavy)

997 Turbo upgrade to 9e 28 by Nine Excellence (pic heavy)

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IMIA

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8,077 posts

160 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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I've had my 997.1 turbo from new and after 8 years of ownership was faced with a choice to either buy a new 991 Turbo S or perhaps see if I could create (with the help of a top tuner) the 997 turbo S Porsche should have always given us with a Mezger engine and manual gearbox. After driving a 991 Turbo S for a weekend and Parr's Stage 3 RS Tuning demonstrator with 624 PS my car was actually all set to go to RS Tuning/Parr this winter. The 991 turbo was super quick but felt like a super fast limo compared to the Parr demonstrator and to me lacked any real driver involvement or character. This was also a criticism levelled at the 997.1 turbo.

I came across 9e who haven't been around for a long time and I'd heard lots of good things about. What I particularly liked about 9e was that I had direct access to senior staff and was not having to go through a distributor for RS Tuning should I develop any issues. A small nuance but its nice to speak directly to the developer of the packages themselves without having to wait for an answer from Germany where RS Tuning are based.

RS tuning Stage 3 kit consists of modded hybrid 997 turbos with variable vanes fixed in the open position and its a beautiful package but I was intrigued when Ken Napier mentioned for similar money he was offering hybrid GT2 turbos with motorsport bearings.The 993 and 996 turbo S (X 50) got trick GT2 turbos and I was disappointed Porsche in their infinite wisdom did not follow this recipe on the 997 instead choosing to get banzai performance from the new DFI engine combined with super quick PDK which again is a superb car and amazingly fast but lacks driver involvement (for me) with its PDK box.

I then saw this fellow's car on youtube at VMAX 200 last year which 9e had fettled.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8OzfgpepQurB8QwS...

I took a risk and went with 9e rather than established Porsche tuner royalty and I have to say the 9e GT2 hybrid turbos really do change the character and give my turbo 25% more useable power everywhere. Power to weight ratio goes from circa 303 bhp/ton to well over 400+ bhp/ton. 0-300 kph reduced from 40 secs to VBOX tested 28 secs so translates into over 25% in real useable on the road performance. Over kill perhaps but I love it and its maybe how the car should have come as a turbo S from the factory.

Therefor decided to create my own take on how Porsches engineer may have executed a turbo S if they'd used the Mezger gen 1 turbo as a base.

Lighter wheels - Forged BBS F1



GT2 turbos



GT2 RS intercoolers

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Europipe Sports Exhaust Stage 2 Loud with Emitec 100 CEL racing cats. Its a beautiful exhaust and a work of art. Shame its hidden and really does bring out the motorsport roots of the Mezger engine. Not loud like a 458, F type R or AMG 63 which all sound a bit fake but a real no nonsense motorsport flat six bark and good for track days with max 105 decibels at WOT which is under most tracks noise limits.




Larger throttle body, larger y pipe, performance air filter



H&R - 20 MM progressive lowering springs and GT2 rear anti roll bar results in zero understeer combined with wider 8.75 in and 12 inch wheels and trick Michelin Cup 2 tyres with increased tyre width size increased to 245 35 19 and 325 30 19.




GT2/3 short shift with alcantara shift and steering wheel. 1st to 2nd when cold can be bit stiff but it has rifle bolt action when warmed after 10 mins.



Before 9e



After

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A big thanks to Ken at 9e and his team who were very patient explaining a myriad of questions I had as a newby before sending my car to them. The end result is breathtaking after 100 completely reliable laps at Bedford Autodrome demonstrated and the 997 turbo platform shrugs off the extra power my car has with no issues at all. The larger GT2 turbos love V Power so fuel consumption on average has fallen from 22mpg to about 18mpg. On track this fell to 8 mpg lol. Stock steel brakes can easily handle the extra power but wear rate is increased and the car was lovely on track in sport mode on the H&R progressive sports lowering springs with GT2 ant roll bars. On road the car remains comfortable but in sport mode on rough surfaces above 150 mph the suspension can lose composure. On smooth roads its beautiful all the way up to its new top speed of 205 mph.

9e 28 smokin



On the GT circuit at Bedford Autodrome it was easily as quick as a late 2013 MC were we were both pulling not far off 160mph on main straight! Stock car was at circa 140mph on the same straight so big difference although you don't feel the extra power on track as much as I thought you would. Seat of the pants for example I would have said a 991 Turbo S quicker but thats not the case according to 9e. We shall find out at a few VMAX events I plan to attend this year!

Not for everyone but if you have 997.1 or 996 turbo and are looking to liven it up you could do worse than send it to the boys at 9e. The 9e28 package is £20,995 + VAT. Factor in donor 997.1 turbo for £40k and for £65k you get a car which nothing this side of McLaren 650 S can touch. It eats 12 Cs and 458's for breakfast whilst still being a perfect pootler for the school run 4 up thumbup

http://www.nineexcellence.com


TB993tt

1,870 posts

200 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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IMIA said:
RS tuning Stage 3 kit consists of modded hybrid 997 turbos with variable vanes fixed in the open position
We discussed this before I think ? It has to be wrong not just because it doesn't really make sense not to use the variable vanes (other than maybe keeping temps down) but it must be wrong because how would the boost be controlled since the VTGs don't have a wastegate they rely on the vane movements to deal with the boost confused

Did you get Carrillos on your new engine ? I hope so cos 0-300kph in 28s is a solid 600hp and that is in bending territory smile

IMIA

Original Poster:

8,077 posts

160 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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TB993tt said:
IMIA said:
RS tuning Stage 3 kit consists of modded hybrid 997 turbos with variable vanes fixed in the open position
We discussed this before I think ? It has to be wrong not just because it doesn't really make sense not to use the variable vanes (other than maybe keeping temps down) but it must be wrong because how would the boost be controlled since the VTGs don't have a wastegate they rely on the vane movements to deal with the boost confused

Did you get Carrillos on your new engine ? I hope so cos 0-300kph in 28s is a solid 600hp and that is in bending territory smile
I did ask but both RS Tuning/Parr and 9e assured me forged rods not required at this power level which is 624 PS and 650 PS respectively. My car only runs 1.1 bar of boost in normal mode and 1.3 bar in sport mode. RS Tuning/Parr will give you 680 PS on the stock engine with a 2 year warranty from Parr on the GT2 stage 4 package.

On the fixed vane point I'm just repeating what Lawrence at Parr told me who are RS Tunings agents here in the UK. May be have chat with Lawrence at Parr or Mr Schmirler himself?!

Crimp

909 posts

146 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Great post mate and the car looks just right.

graemel

6,423 posts

176 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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bloody awesome. Good job smile

IMIA

Original Poster:

8,077 posts

160 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Cheers guys thought I'd cover a couple of thousand miles in it before posting my thoughts. Just passed 70,000 miles and hope to do another at least another 200,000 miles in it. Absolutely brilliant sleeper as the car still looks virtually stock. I've had a bit of fun with a Huracan and GTR recently and to say they we're shocked is the understatement of the year hehe



Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention. smile


FarQue

2,277 posts

157 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Gorgeous wheels, really suit the car with the adjusted ride height. Good attitude to mileage too!

LF11

47 posts

77 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Great stuff, looks great and thanks for sharing this with us.

TD

82 posts

157 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Excellent job Imi,
I like the idea of the wolf in sheeps clothing and when you look at the costs that's bloody good value to have what is a great looking 911 with 200+mph especially looking at today's crazy market.
I think you've done a superb job in creating the 997 Turbo 200
Enjoy

keep it lit

3,388 posts

126 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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TD said:
Excellent job Imi,
I like the idea of the wolf in sheeps clothing and when you look at the costs that's bloody good value to have what is a great looking 911 with 200+mph especially looking at today's crazy market.
I think you've done a superb job in creating the 997 Turbo 200
Enjoy
+1

love it!

IMIA

Original Poster:

8,077 posts

160 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Thanks guys. Just a slight correction RS Tuning offer 660 PS on stock engine. Beautiful kit.




Terminator X

9,957 posts

163 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Brilliant! Amazing to see what can be done if you spend the cost to upgrade money on your old car!

TX.

RWD cossie wil

4,038 posts

132 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Seconded on the 9e front here, had my 996 turbo converted to 9e30 in the summer, to be frank it is probably too fast for the road really, and I never thought I would say that. Serious bits of kit with a proper tune, I can only imagine what sort of madness 9e 25/20/17 kits produce!

Great looking car OP, nice touch having owned it from new as well, already know the car inside out but now producing 25% extra power hehe

LaSource

2,469 posts

167 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Wow. Well done.
Thanks for sharing.

The alloys suit the car really well.

Get Ken to stick on some GiroDiscs/RS29s to improve stopping from both cold at VMax and hot on a track day. If you are running OEM drilled then they won't last long on track days given the power and weight of the car.

Enjoy!

TB993tt

1,870 posts

200 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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IMIA said:
Thanks guys. Just a slight correction RS Tuning offer 660 PS on stock engine. Beautiful kit.

That 660kit is mine they did it for me using my special intercoolers (note it is for the GT2) with that I was getting 0-300 in 25.9s !

The rods do bend at these levels if the car is used properly, lots of Autobahn top gear pulling this is what I was told but I suspect German customers do load the engines much more than we can over here.

Even with a dodgy start hehe





Edited by TB993tt on Monday 26th January 10:02

IMIA

Original Poster:

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160 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Yes Toby I agree as you're probably aware I even managed to blow up my original engine when it was completely stock on a prolonged high speed run at approaching 170mph - thank God I had a warranty at the time and Porsche after a 5 month debate gave me a brand new factory fresh engine - in reality my new engine has only covered 9k miles laugh

On 0-300kph times the 9e 28 its guaranteed to run less than 28 secs. On a good day in perfect conditions you could easily see 26.5 secs 0-300kph and on a less than perfect runway like Brunters you might only see 29.5 secs 0-300kph.

I wish I had a GT2 as its perfect for my current usage but they're becoming quite expensive and tricky to find. I have my eye on a very high spec 2009 car and hopefully if the owner ever sells it he will call me first!

If the rods do bend good excuse to then go the whole hog and upgrade to 9e 15 lol evil

TB993tt

1,870 posts

200 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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IMIA said:
If the rods do bend good excuse to then go the whole hog and upgrade to 9e 15 lol evil
Bending is one thing but the real fun and games is if one decides to break and exit the case, this is what used to happen back in the 993GT2 days it was only when Carrillo developed their proprietary rods that the race teams had peace of mind...
I don't know what is different about the 997/997 rods or whether it is just that the engines are not being loaded enough but my 993 bent its rods and it was only running 520PS/750NM, maybe it was the violent ramp up of the torque which did it ? I know Ken ragged his first 996 and it must have had ~700hp and apparently the rods were fine when he cracked it open....

hondansx

3,942 posts

184 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Great write up! Sounds like a monster.

Whilst i appreciate the appeal is that you can add modification as when you have the cash, in the modern world of finance, i'd probably take the easy approach and go for a 997.2 Turbo S for pretty similar money all in. Did you consider that? Was it the mezger/manual combo that kept you loyal?

IMIA

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8,077 posts

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Monday 26th January 2015
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hondansx said:
Great write up! Sounds like a monster.

Whilst i appreciate the appeal is that you can add modification as when you have the cash, in the modern world of finance, i'd probably take the easy approach and go for a 997.2 Turbo S for pretty similar money all in. Did you consider that? Was it the mezger/manual combo that kept you loyal?
Thanks and yes I probably spent closer to £30k including wheels, rubber and sports exhaust so a 7 turbo S well within budget.

I'd say for 9/10 people the 7.2 turbo S a far more sensible route. Spent lots of time on both road and track in 997 and 991 turbo S and they're fabulous but PDK takes the shine away v.slightly for me.

IMIA

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Monday 26th January 2015
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LaSource said:
Wow. Well done.
Thanks for sharing.

The alloys suit the car really well.

Get Ken to stick on some GiroDiscs/RS29s to improve stopping from both cold at VMax and hot on a track day. If you are running OEM drilled then they won't last long on track days given the power and weight of the car.

Enjoy!
Thanks matey. Yes when they wear out been thinking about these carbon brakes from Surface Transforms. When they're worn out they can be resurfaced. Not as light as OEM ceramics though.



http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-...