RE: Lotus Elise 20th Anniversary vs. S1 Elise

RE: Lotus Elise 20th Anniversary vs. S1 Elise

Wednesday 2nd December 2015

Lotus Elise 20th Anniversary vs. S1 Elise

Guest appearance by 20th Anniversary Elise at our S1 PH Heroes shoot offers chance to see how far it's come



Try to think of a car that has changed so little in the last 20 years as the Lotus Elise. Now try to think of one that isn't the Land Rover Defender, the Caterham Seven or the Mercedes G-Wagen.

Hard, isn't it?

Because while the Elise has become heavier and faster and gained more trim over time, the fundamentals have never really changed. Some people will choose to see this as proof of the relative paucity of Lotus's R&D budget, and its inability to create something substantially different. Others will regard it as confirmation of how good the fundamental Elise recipe has always been.

On days like these...
On days like these...
So which is it?
Some brave fence-sitting here, the truth being somewhere between those two extremes. But we gladly took the opportunity to compare and contrast the S1 Elise that we used for our recent Heroes story with a nearly new Elise 20th Anniversary Special Edition that owner Peter Wright offered to bring along on the day. While I can't say we came to any definitive conclusion over which was best, it was certainly fun trying to find out.

Parked together, the similarities between both cars are far more striking than the differences. Dimensions and proportions seem almost identical; the styling has subtly altered over the years, but it's close enough to confirm parentage without any need for DNA testing. Even wheels and tyres have barely grown over the years; during the same period over which the rims of mainstream models have expanded by two or three inches the modern Elise can practically wear the original's jeans: the S1 has 165/55 R15s at the front and 225/45 R16s at the rear, the 20th Anniversary has 175/45 R16s at the sharp end and 225/45 R17s at the rear.

Yet there are plenty of differences too. Firstly, of course, the increase in weight - the 20th Anniversary's official 896kg kerbweight represents a 173kg increase over the S1. That's because there's more equipment - ABS, leather seats, airbags, even the option of air conditioning - but also because there's more trim. Much as I love the minimalist cabin of the S1 Elise it would be churlish to deny that the 20th Anniversary is much better trimmed and finished; indeed in some cases it's trimmed and finished in areas the original car just left blank. I'd forgotten just how fiddly an S1's roof is, too. The car we borrowed had a ripped hood so we didn't use it, but the sight of the poppers and fasteners triggers a flashback of getting drenched while trying to refit canvas to a 111S during a sudden downpour on a Welsh hillside. By contrast the clip-roll-clip hood of the later cars seems close to power operation for its ease of use.

Power difference of later car evident on road
Power difference of later car evident on road
To Berkshire!
None of this alters the fact that, from the point of view of somebody who had never encountered a Lotus Elise, these are two cars with an overwhelming amount in common. Fortunately our chosen location of the Berkshire Downs quickly prove to be an ideal location for teasing out some telling differences as well.

We're using the three-sided route between the villages of Lambourn, Childrey and Ashbury, one that offers a decent microcosm of a more famous driving triangle in North Wales, with everything from fast sweepers to the sort of yumps that a WRC car would slow for.

The S1 feels light and agile in a way that little else does, minimal mass disguising the 1.8-litre K-Series' relative lack of firepower. There's a finesse to the way it does everything, the way that every input, however small, yields a discernible result; and the way that everything gets relayed back through the steering and tailbone telemetry. It's a sensory barrage that effectively disguises the fact that the S1 isn't necessarily travelling particularly quickly; you can thrash it hard enough to give yourself back-off vibes and then glance at the speedo to find that you're not even being officially naughty.

Original still intensely rewarding
Original still intensely rewarding
Not so the 20th Anniversary, which requires much more discipline. With getting on for twice the power it's no surprise that the it feels much quicker, the relentless urge delivered by its supercharged Toyota engine meaning you're never more than a toe-stretch away from a stern telling off from a magistrate. Big whoop, that's the story of pretty much every other performance car over the same timescale.

But the extra urge means it's got more of everything else, too - more grip, despite the relatively modest increase in tyre size, weightier steering, keener brakes and tauter suspension. Even with Lotus's electronic throttle control system standing sentinel you need to treat the right pedal with a measure more respect. Responses are every bit as keen, but a small part of the adjustability and directness of the S1 has been lost to the increase of everything else. That additional performance means you have to travel quicker to experience the same level of reward.

To get back to that comfortable fence, it's not better or worse, but it is surprisingly different.

Where would Lotus be without this badge?
Where would Lotus be without this badge?
Elise-ium
Have you spotted the obvious flaw in all this? The 20th Anniversary is brawnier and quicker, but - for those in search of minimalist thrills - Lotus does still produce an Elise that is far closer to the spirit of the S1. The 1.6 Club Racer has a 136hp engine, a 6.5-second 0-62mph time and a 127mph top speed, all of which are within a winter sneeze of the numbers claimed for the original car, although it's still more than 100kg over on weight. (For what it's worth, the oft-criticized £30,990 price translates to just over £18,000 in 1996 prices when run through an online calculator as well.)

Yet the 20th Anniversary is still a valid comparison. Because the centre of the Elise range has moved so far upwards since the original car was released, but also because the referential name makes it impossible not to compare it with the original. There are no big revelations to deliver beyond the fact the Elise started out great, and it's still pretty damn good.





















Photos: Tim Brown

[Source: ThisisMoney]

 

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bencollins

Original Poster:

3,089 posts

141 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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In before the whiners biggrin. Nice article for undoubtably the best road sportscar in the last 20 years. (Ignoring this TVR website origins)
The two modern versions are brilliant, and incredible value at £30-40k. Adding lightness costs money.
The S1 remains a jewel with the lightweight K, yet today's vanilla 1.6 variant has all the legal performance needed for delightful fun and engagement. The SC delivers storming levels of performance 0-60 in 4 secs is strong and still well under a ton for chuckability not found elsewhere. Pity the overvalued £ cant be good for export business, unfortunately the success of the city of London upsets manufacturing in the nether regions > twas always so. Curious about reliability figures too, must be pretty good compared to other stuff and depreciation remains unbeatable - they probably could lease a few more but then you are into volume and dumping. There's even the Tesla variant.

Still the best sportscar and a worthy continuation of the sixties Elan. Less is always more.

Vee12V

747 posts

96 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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article said:
the S1 has 165/55 R15s at the front and 225/45 R16s at the rear
Wrong I'm afraid, should be 185/55/R15 and 205/50/R16.

CABC

2,206 posts

37 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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for me the Elise remains the benchmark by which i judge all driver's road cars.
Happily trade-off handling and feel for comfort where wanted, but this car sets the bar.
As for supercars, i wouldn't bother. If i had that cash i'd also have something on a trailer and enjoy it properly on track.

Lefty

15,195 posts

138 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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173kg for some trim improvements?!

Mind you, I'd happily have had an engine with slightly thicker cylinder liners and stronger head bolts. I'd sacrifice 5-10kg for that.

hehe

P.s. With practice the s1 roof can be fitted in under 2 minutes quite easily!

Richyboy

3,510 posts

153 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Happy anniversary. My calypso red s1 elise was the best car I ever owned.
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daveco

3,593 posts

143 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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The original weighed a smidge over 700kg??


That's only about 90kg or so more than the original mini.

I can only imagine how much fun one of these is to drive...and with the shortest of wheelbases how quickly it would be to end up backwards in a bush hehe

TA14

11,912 posts

194 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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daveco said:
The original weighed a smidge over 700kg??


That's only about 90kg or so more than the original mini.

I can only imagine how much fun one of these is to drive...and with the shortest of wheelbases how quickly it would be to end up backwards in a bush hehe
The minis were even lighter than that: http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/austin/mini... about 150kg lighter than the 726kg Elise.

SidewaysSi

4,806 posts

170 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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daveco said:
The original weighed a smidge over 700kg??


That's only about 90kg or so more than the original mini.

I can only imagine how much fun one of these is to drive...and with the shortest of wheelbases how quickly it would be to end up backwards in a bush hehe
Not at all. Get a decent geo and proper tyres and they will happily drift around corners.smile. The original S1s were not great at launch but time has meant they can be set up to be as friendly as a lightweight RWD car can be.

Smithers Jones

104 posts

122 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Another S1 owner here, and I feel that I would never sell, for the simple reason, it would be so difficult to replace.

Tickle

2,921 posts

140 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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173kg is a considerable amount on extra weight in a car that's footprint is pretty much the same.

It's like carrying an additional 3 of me in my S1, although my S1 is a bit porkier than an early one on MMC's

HeMightBeBanned

512 posts

114 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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ABS, leather seats and aircon don't really account for the 170kg increase in the weight of the Elise. Oh, and leather seats were always available in the S1. It was an option that almost everyone specced over the standard cloth items. Weight difference must be measured in grams not kilos!

The new car is heavier because of bulkier underpinnings. Things like:

- heavier engine - the K-Series is remarkably light at around 70kg undressed. Not so the Toyota.
- heavier transmission - the Rover PG1 gearbox is a compact and light transmission. I can just about pick one up unassisted. Wouldn't like to try the same with the Toyota 6-speed box
- Supercharger and all the associated plumbing in the Toyota-powered car
- rear subframe - the one on the new car is substantially heavier and, yet, more flexible
- More lardy suspension uprights front and rear, compared with the S1's
- Larger, heavier wishbones

Wheels are pretty heavy on most S2 Elises, although many of the S1 wheels were hardly featherweights (original AWIs and particularly the 'Victory' alloys of the Sport 160).

Then you get on to the added heavy gheyness like interior trim, sound-deadening, electric windows, heated seats, sun visors (ffs) ABS, aircon etc

A problem for Lotus is that lots of people don't see the point of "upgrading" their S1 to the newer heavier car that doesn't really offer very much more of what the S1 excels at - driving pleasure

Blackbird425

432 posts

41 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Such a shame the styling tweaks to the S2 have contrived to make it look uglier than it did to start with. The front end just doesn't work to my eyes any more

Riverside Red

707 posts

71 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Picking my 15 plate ex demo Elise S up on Friday, tried to replace my SLK 55 with a proper drivers car again (I have owned Westies) tried Porsche Boxster and 911 along with others and nothing else really fitted the bill.

Same colour as the 20 th Edition in the test.

Can't wait.

RR

RobM77

31,649 posts

170 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Nice comparison test; I'd be happier with either. smile The Elise remains my favourite road car that I've driven to date. My joint favourites are the S2 111S and the S2 SC, but there's very little in it between all the variants I've driven - they're all just utterly fantastic.

It's also nice to see you so close to where I live! Nice roads eh? smile

smilo996

1,449 posts

106 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Well despite all the trials, tribulations and uncertainty in the past 20 years it is clear how far the new car has come from the original.

The colour is a bit too German but the new car still looks brilliant and holds to the original idea of the Elise. That is a real credit to those at Lotus.

Nice article too. Hope Lotus gets a secure future to be able to develop it even further and put better switchgear in for the Porscghar crowd.




ash reynolds

367 posts

127 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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I owned a relative to the Elise, a VX220 (Lotus Type 116), as a weekend/fine weather vehicle. After selling and immediately as the new owner drove it away I realised I'd made a mistake. Confirmed when I noticed my wife was crying, and she's not that type normally.

Special car, loved it to pieces.

angelicupstarts

257 posts

67 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Tickle said:
173kg is a considerable amount on extra weight in a car that's footprint is pretty much the same.

It's like carrying an additional 3 of me in my S1, although my S1 is a bit porkier than an early one on MMC's
you only weigh 57 kg ?? my god if i was that light weight my lotus would fly !

L100NYY

33,873 posts

179 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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RobM77 said:
Nice comparison test; I'd be happier with either. smile The Elise remains my favourite road car that I've driven to date. My joint favourites are the S2 111S and the S2 SC, but there's very little in it between all the variants I've driven - they're all just utterly fantastic.

It's also nice to see you so close to where I live! Nice roads eh? smile
I believe it was my good self that sold you that (red?) 111S non?

RobM77

31,649 posts

170 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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L100NYY said:
RobM77 said:
Nice comparison test; I'd be happier with either. smile The Elise remains my favourite road car that I've driven to date. My joint favourites are the S2 111S and the S2 SC, but there's very little in it between all the variants I've driven - they're all just utterly fantastic.

It's also nice to see you so close to where I live! Nice roads eh? smile
I believe it was my good self that sold you that (red?) 111S non?
No, but jolly close I think! I bought an Atlantic Blue MY04 from a dealership near London whose name escapes me now, but I think you may have worked there? I bought the car in 2004 or 2005 I think.

Tickle

2,921 posts

140 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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angelicupstarts said:
Tickle said:
173kg is a considerable amount on extra weight in a car that's footprint is pretty much the same.

It's like carrying an additional 3 of me in my S1, although my S1 is a bit porkier than an early one on MMC's
you only weigh 57 kg ?? my god if i was that light weight my lotus would fly !
About 61kg at the moment, I can certainly feel the difference on the rare occasions I have a passenger in the Elise!

As a side note to my first comment, I don’t want to sound negative towards Lotus I really wish them all the luck in the world. They do still offer the Club Racer as a lighter option that incorporates all the necessities to meet modern safety regulations.

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