RE: Nissan GT-R MY17: Driven (briefly)

RE: Nissan GT-R MY17: Driven (briefly)

Saturday 4th June 2016

Nissan GT-R MY17: Driven (briefly)

Six laps of Spa and one new GT-R - hold on tight!



Believe it or not, there are a few similarities between the Nissan GT-R and the Spa-Francorchamps circuit. Bear with, just for a second. We will all most likely have some virtual experience of both, or watched other people master them, and felt like we have a good understanding of each. This happens, then you do that, all followed by Internet notoriety from your stunning helmsmanship.

Hope you've put the handbrake on
Hope you've put the handbrake on
But of course the reality of Spa and the Nissan GT-R is quite different; not only are they each more demanding to get the best from in real life, they are also markedly more intimidating, rewarding and entertaining. So while six laps is not enough for a conclusive verdict on either, it certainly wasn't an invitation to pass up.

Therefore a detailed test of the MY2017 GT-R, "the most comfortable model to date" no less, will have to wait for another time. But we promise to divulge every last detail of the new leather, the updated infotainment and the "new sense of elegance and civility" just as soon as possible. For now it's time to see if the 'R' part of this legend has endured another facelift intact. Nissan has a graph to prove it has, but what of the reality?

Our Spa laps are conducted in three-lap stints with instructors from RSR. Mine questions quite aggressively why I'm going for the brake with my left foot, adjusts both wheel and seat for me and releases the handbrake as well. Which doesn't bode well. Sadly his mollycoddling attitude continues on the circuit - right up to adjusting the wheel through Pouhon (!) - but there's ample opportunity to get some impressions of the car.

Hang on, is this the line for Eau Rouge?
Hang on, is this the line for Eau Rouge?
Heck is it fast. And Boris doesn't like the EU. Yes, it's an obvious thing to state about the GT-R, but it still stuns after all this time and even on a vast circuit. Nissan says the additional 20hp is more notable at higher rpms but, in all honesty, it would take a back to back comparison to really tell the difference. The new titanium exhaust appears to have given the GT-R a voice that's less influenced by the turbochargers, but the first I notice of the Active Sound Enhancement is when it's mentioned in the press conference. One to explore on the road and without a helmet on. Certainly any claims from Nissan about a more plush GT-R experience are relative - at full throttle this is still a wild, invigorating, brilliant experience.

It's a similar story when you (or your instructor) are steering as well. The most significant claimed improvement for this GT-R is the increased body rigidity, thanks to "intensive engineering updates" around the windshield frame to give a crisper turn in; tweaks at the rear are said to bring more uniform rigidity and therefore better balance. The 'R' and 'Comfort' modes on the Bilstein dampers are said to be further apart than previously too. In a quantifiable sense, this has made the GT-R's stability "greatly enhanced" at 155mph and also means the car is four per cent faster through Nissan's slalom test.

Feels very similar thus far - good!
Feels very similar thus far - good!
The real world impression of these gains is, once more, negligible. Perhaps this GT-R is a fraction more alert than the last, but it doesn't feel substantially so. In all honesty that's no bad thing, because the way a GT-R drives is one of its most endearing features. The way 1,800kg can be so precisely controlled remains incredible, the whole car amenable to whatever way you want to drive. Or the instructor tells you to. The stability in the quick stuff is fantastic, the traction out of slower bends mighty and the brakes seemingly tireless despite some grumbling. A GT-R track toy would be an expensive one to maintain, but one far more involving and exciting than many would give credit for.

Encouragingly then, from the track test much of what we love about GT-Rs is still present and correct. Not all of the update has been successful - the big column mounted paddles have been swapped for wheel mounted ones - but the GT-R hasn't been turned into a cushy cruiser in the autumn of its life. It's still a driving experience like no other, one that fans will love and detractors will continue to dismiss. If you've never had a go, you really must. And hopefully before the 2018 model update we will have driven this one on road for a decisive verdict.


NISSAN GT-R (MY17)
Engine:
3,799cc V6 twin-turbo
Transmission: 6-speed dual-clutch auto, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 570@6,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 469@3,300-5,800rpm
0-62mph: 2.8sec
Top speed: 196mph
Weight: 1,752kg (minimum kerbweight)
MPG: 23.9mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 275g/km
Price: £79,995 (Pure spec, £81,995 for Recaro, £82,495 for Prestige with Black leather seats or £83,495 with Tan, Ivory or Red leather seats)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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vz-r_dave

Original Poster:

3,295 posts

151 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Whilst the changes are subtle, the on-track pictures do show the difference in the lines. It looks much better actually.

Amazed that this is only 20k more than a base spec M4. Good job to Nissan for keeping the pricing ridiculously competitive.

David87

4,961 posts

145 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Still really like the GT-R (and still haven't had a go in one!) and these updates just serve to make it even more attractive. Still a bargain too, although it has obviously got more expensive as time has gone by.

smilo996

1,420 posts

103 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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The visual updates seem to have made it more complex looking and less like a block hewn out of Nissanium. That is a good thing.

Still amazes me how much performance you get and how little you have to pay.

A GT-R around Spa. What a thought.

No doubt team Porschar will be along soon to bang on about the latest GT3.

However the Nissan is just different and unique.

The Surveyor

5,901 posts

170 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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The GT-R is just fantastic, amazing performance even before you consider the low price. This new one sharpens up the looks and continues the 'bargain supercar' theme.

Despite all of this they still leave me a little cold, I've just no desire to own one.


macky17

1,839 posts

122 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Not a fan of the new front end: gone from mean and ugly to just ugly. Might be a grower.

A) who'd want tan or Ivory seats in a GTR?
B) who'd actually pay MORE for them?
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SirSquidalot

2,964 posts

98 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Makes the 30 Jahre M3 look rather silly doesnt it?

Love this new model, think the interior is vastly better and the styling tweaks have refreshed it.

MrGeoff

286 posts

105 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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That front bumper reminds me a little of the LFA, maybe its me?

simundo777

66 posts

104 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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macky17 said:
Not a fan of the new front end: gone from mean and ugly to just ugly. Might be a grower.

A) who'd want tan or Ivory seats in a GTR?
B) who'd actually pay MORE for them?
Looks so much better now.

A) Grey paint with tan leather seats, yes please.

B) Me!

Ray_Aber

74 posts

209 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Hi - I have delurked after c.15 years of watching from the sidelines! My profile is rather out of date...

I'm really considering this car now, hence the reason I thought I would comment. What had put me off the car for some time was the restricted colour schemes for both exterior and interior. I don't do black or monochrome - inside or out. The 2017 car ticks many boxes for the first time; more colour choice (I love the burnt orange!) for the exterior, and - crucial, this - different trim options for the interior. I'd probably go for red, but tan is a close second - and yes, I'd pay more for the pleasure.

Now if only I could find a way to make the wheels silver....

Edited by Ray_Aber on Tuesday 31st May 13:26

323ti

92 posts

54 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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I had a decent go in a Track Pack edition a couple of years ago.
Up until that point I was as Skyline barmy as anyone could ever have been.
Quite honestly, it left me a bit cold.
Giving it the full 550bhp monty from a standstill without LC it never even pulled to one side or chirruped a tyre. It just bolted without any sort of fuss.
After pulling the right hand paddle for a few times I looked at the speedometer. 140 mph. And only then a bucketful of adrenalin hit me.
Through the corners I could be as silly as I liked, but the car would just go around with three fingers up it's nose.

People who can really drive and have an empty airport at their disposal will be able to make it dance I'm sure but for me, on public roads, in a country like Holland, this car is far, far, far too capable to be exciting and enjoyable.
I wouldn't be able to extract five percent of it's capabilities.
Like Clint E. said; "Man's got to know his limitations"…

ELothian

61 posts

35 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Ray_Aber said:
Hi - I have delurked after c.15 years of watching from the sidelines! My profile is rather out of date...

I'm really considering this car now, hence the reason I thought I would comment. What had put me off the car for some time was the restricted colour schemes for both exterior and interior. I don't do black or monochrome - inside or out. The 2017 car ticks many boxes for the first time; more colour choice (I love the burnt orange!) for the exterior, and - crucial, this - different trim options for the interior. I'd probably go for red, but tan is a close second - and yes, I'd pay more for the pleasure.

Now if only I could find a way to make the wheels silver....

Edited by Ray_Aber on Tuesday 31st May 13:26
Yes the new colours are exciting but grey has benefits in making it stand out less if one is misbehaving! Our local dealer specs all their demos in grey for that reason!!

Big thanks to them today - took in another car after being dissatisfied with their main agent and car taken in, looked at immediately (despite arriving on spec) and given a 20 mile lift home! Great service! Genuinely the best service I've had from a car dealer!

ZX10R NIN

11,561 posts

58 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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At 80k this car is still a performance bargain when you consider it's rivals.

dougflump

8 posts

102 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Drove one of these on a test drive a couple of years ago...and gave it the beans, I wasn't disappointed at all, a truly charismatic car with nothing else to compare it to, full of drama and massive sledgehammer performance..sounded like a piston engined fighter plane when at full throttle, fantastic...shame I didn't have the dough to buy..ha ha !

StottyEvo

6,700 posts

96 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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I'm quite a fan of the revised styling, and that performance for the price... Its in a league of its own


Babw

567 posts

79 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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StottyEvo said:
I'm quite a fan of the revised styling, and that performance for the price... Its in a league of its own
That's exactly it, it's in it's own segment when it comes to performance v price. I wouldn't say it's "better" than a Porsche Turbo but taking the price into account I can't think of anything nearby which delivers the performance it can. I don't just mean performance on paper but in real life with changing weather.

It's a shame that not more people bought it because it might have forced other manufacturers to to make cars in a similar price range with real supercar attributes. Performance wise it's a massive step up from something like an M4 for not a lot more outlay.

R1nur

908 posts

183 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Forget the extra power - strip 3-400 kgs out of it!

dazzx10r

37 posts

108 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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I don't see what all of the fuss about with the GTR personaly. It's ridiculously heavy, and the running costs are horiffic. Haven't Nissan heard of aluminium or carbon fibre?

tjlees

1,355 posts

170 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Iirc you can buy a GTR service package or its part of the finance deal.

However all performance cars are expensive to maintain - major service on Porsche turbo is around £1500 when you take into account of brake fluid and a/c.

Unfortunately the styling tweeks imho, are starting to make GTR look like it really has gone through halfords backwards. Still not bad value and they are starting to improve the interior, poss at the expense of the weight going to 1.8t yikes

Time for Nissan to look at aluminium or carbon fibre - once they crack this and reduce the weight to around 1400kg, they will have mclaren running to the hills!

vz-r_dave

Original Poster:

3,295 posts

151 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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dazzx10r said:
I don't see what all of the fuss about with the GTR personaly. It's ridiculously heavy, and the running costs are horiffic. Haven't Nissan heard of aluminium or carbon fibre?
So you disregard how brutally quick it is, how at 80k it beats or at least matches the 911 Turbo, 458 and highlight that its heavy and expensive to run.... lol you can't please some people can you.

vz-r_dave

Original Poster:

3,295 posts

151 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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tjlees said:
Iirc you can buy a GTR service package or its part of the finance deal.

However all performance cars are expensive to maintain - major service on Porsche turbo is around £1500 when you take into account of brake fluid and a/c.

Unfortunately the styling tweeks imho, are starting to make GTR look like it really has gone through halfords backwards. Still not bad value and they are starting to improve the interior, poss at the expense of the weight going to 1.8t yikes

Time for Nissan to look at aluminium or carbon fibre - once they crack this and reduce the weight to around 1400kg, they will have mclaren running to the hills!
They dont have the brand to compete (yet), add Carbon tub and aluminium and you won't be able to buy one for 80k that for sure.