Value of cerbera
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Can we maybe have a 'we don't like the Q plate cerb' as a sticky, its at least the third time this has come up (since may)
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GT6k said:
Can we maybe have a 'we don't like the Q plate cerb' as a sticky, its at least the third time this has come up (since may)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I went to view this car a couple of weeks back, so maybe I should chip in, it's such a shame the registration is what it is as the car is immaculate, it put many other examples I went to view to shame.
From talking to the Dvla it is a fairly easy process to get it switched back to being a TVR Cerbera on the log book, you ring up, tell them it's been incorrectly registered, send them a photo of the car and a letter from a recognised owners club demonstrating its a Cerbera and your away.
The problem then is that, it would still be on a Q, and still wouldn't have its original TVR chassis number.
I do however think, with a bit more work it would be possible to get it back to its original ID. The lady at the DVLA said the most likely chain of events was that it was stolen, paper work discarded/ lost, number plates removed, vin plate removed, and then recovered by the insurance/police. Police and DVLA would have no way of determining what it was, so it would just be registered as a generic "kit car" as the vin now shows. I'm still unsure why it shows as a quantum on the v5 though.
In the end I personally decided it was too much of a risk and problem come re-sale time, but I was extremely tempted as it is by far the nicest example I've seen on my search to date, including the speed six for sale in sovereign car sales for 21k!
From talking to the Dvla it is a fairly easy process to get it switched back to being a TVR Cerbera on the log book, you ring up, tell them it's been incorrectly registered, send them a photo of the car and a letter from a recognised owners club demonstrating its a Cerbera and your away.
The problem then is that, it would still be on a Q, and still wouldn't have its original TVR chassis number.
I do however think, with a bit more work it would be possible to get it back to its original ID. The lady at the DVLA said the most likely chain of events was that it was stolen, paper work discarded/ lost, number plates removed, vin plate removed, and then recovered by the insurance/police. Police and DVLA would have no way of determining what it was, so it would just be registered as a generic "kit car" as the vin now shows. I'm still unsure why it shows as a quantum on the v5 though.
In the end I personally decided it was too much of a risk and problem come re-sale time, but I was extremely tempted as it is by far the nicest example I've seen on my search to date, including the speed six for sale in sovereign car sales for 21k!
It does seem sad the car can't find a good home because of its merky history.
Because the running costs of such a car are perceived to be so high this probably puts people off as the re sale value will always be low because of the Q plate and what appears to be a dodgy history,
The quantum bit is what worries me,, why,,, stolen then re registered would be my concern, no matter how good the car is that Unknown history hangs like a dark cloud.
Without investigating the cars history and getting some pre owner feed back this car will always have some question marks,,
I'd turn it into a track car and be done with it
It's super value at this price and I'm surprised someone who can see past the Q plate and see a good car hasn't done a deal on it.
Because the running costs of such a car are perceived to be so high this probably puts people off as the re sale value will always be low because of the Q plate and what appears to be a dodgy history,
The quantum bit is what worries me,, why,,, stolen then re registered would be my concern, no matter how good the car is that Unknown history hangs like a dark cloud.
Without investigating the cars history and getting some pre owner feed back this car will always have some question marks,,
I'd turn it into a track car and be done with it
It's super value at this price and I'm surprised someone who can see past the Q plate and see a good car hasn't done a deal on it.
On 18th May, I wrote:
This very same car was on Gumtree last week for £8500... hmmm...
http://cars.trovit.co.uk/listing/tvr-cerbera-21000...
I have a very good friend who is a national authority on dealing with DVLA; getting hot rods, kit cars and specials through SVA and registered, and sorting registration issues with re-bodied historic rally cars etc. I had a lengthy chat with him last night:
Simple fact; once a 'Q', always a 'Q'. It cannot be changed for a 'personalised' plate or an age related plate or any other plate. It designates a car which is made of parts from more than one donor and whose age cannot be determined...ie 'Q'uestionable. This without doubt devalues the car, any car.
His opinion is that no car is 'accidentally' registered as something else, such is the detail required on the forms that this would have been quite deliberate and planned. Why would you want to register a TVR as anything other than a TVR? It has more value as a TVR. Someone, way back (it's been SORNed for seven years) wanted to re-register this Cerb but could not do so as a TVR. Possible reasons include CAT A or B write off... or stolen... Either way, they would not have wanted to provide official identity (VIN) or to say that it was all made from one car of a determinate age. So the owner had (or got hold of) a Quantum log book (a sufficiently random marque, I would suggest!) and registered this 'unidentifiable' car as a Quantum 'kit car'. The fact that is clearly not a Fiesta based fibreglass monocoque would have been of no interest to DVLA. If they want verification that a car exists, they generally ask a club secretary who holds a register of owners etc. They themselves don't make an inspection.
More worryingly, DVLA would have absolutely no interest in righting the wrong and issuing a pukka TVR V5 now. In fact, worst case scenario, it could open a can of worms that 'could' lead to ownership being 'lost' ... and for that reason I was advised to run away and not glance back!
Shame because it looks a nice car at a good price, but you know what they say about something which seems too good to be true
This very same car was on Gumtree last week for £8500... hmmm...
http://cars.trovit.co.uk/listing/tvr-cerbera-21000...
I have a very good friend who is a national authority on dealing with DVLA; getting hot rods, kit cars and specials through SVA and registered, and sorting registration issues with re-bodied historic rally cars etc. I had a lengthy chat with him last night:
Simple fact; once a 'Q', always a 'Q'. It cannot be changed for a 'personalised' plate or an age related plate or any other plate. It designates a car which is made of parts from more than one donor and whose age cannot be determined...ie 'Q'uestionable. This without doubt devalues the car, any car.
His opinion is that no car is 'accidentally' registered as something else, such is the detail required on the forms that this would have been quite deliberate and planned. Why would you want to register a TVR as anything other than a TVR? It has more value as a TVR. Someone, way back (it's been SORNed for seven years) wanted to re-register this Cerb but could not do so as a TVR. Possible reasons include CAT A or B write off... or stolen... Either way, they would not have wanted to provide official identity (VIN) or to say that it was all made from one car of a determinate age. So the owner had (or got hold of) a Quantum log book (a sufficiently random marque, I would suggest!) and registered this 'unidentifiable' car as a Quantum 'kit car'. The fact that is clearly not a Fiesta based fibreglass monocoque would have been of no interest to DVLA. If they want verification that a car exists, they generally ask a club secretary who holds a register of owners etc. They themselves don't make an inspection.
More worryingly, DVLA would have absolutely no interest in righting the wrong and issuing a pukka TVR V5 now. In fact, worst case scenario, it could open a can of worms that 'could' lead to ownership being 'lost' ... and for that reason I was advised to run away and not glance back!
Shame because it looks a nice car at a good price, but you know what they say about something which seems too good to be true
Edited by Twinkam on Wednesday 29th June 23:00
^ ^^^^ excellent advice.
I have little knowledge but I thought a component car Q plate, had to be made up from a combination of parts from a donor vehicle,
How you get to the situation this car is registered as a Quantum is behond me, the parts listed to build a Quantum are nothing much like the parts that make up this car,, so someone's signed it off either without looking at the car or a deliberate act.
This act could just be an honest way to get the car road legal again or something darker,,, and that's the whole problem,
Without clear info on who and why this car was registered in this way it always raises ugly questions in my mind, pity because it looks a cracker.
I have little knowledge but I thought a component car Q plate, had to be made up from a combination of parts from a donor vehicle,
How you get to the situation this car is registered as a Quantum is behond me, the parts listed to build a Quantum are nothing much like the parts that make up this car,, so someone's signed it off either without looking at the car or a deliberate act.
This act could just be an honest way to get the car road legal again or something darker,,, and that's the whole problem,
Without clear info on who and why this car was registered in this way it always raises ugly questions in my mind, pity because it looks a cracker.
Who cares if it has a bit of history? when your buzzing down the road enjoying the thrill, it won't even cross your mind, it will make you grin when you get in the thing and every time you fire it up.
it will have gone through appropriate SVA/MOT to make it road legal so I don't see it as being an issue. Its only an issue if you perceive it as an issue, but at the end of the day the car will still perform the same!
So ask this, It WILL sell and You WILL be able to re-sell the car in the future. SO what difference does it make? I mean, really?
J
it will have gone through appropriate SVA/MOT to make it road legal so I don't see it as being an issue. Its only an issue if you perceive it as an issue, but at the end of the day the car will still perform the same!
So ask this, It WILL sell and You WILL be able to re-sell the car in the future. SO what difference does it make? I mean, really?
J
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