RE: Porsche Panamera: PH Buying Guide

RE: Porsche Panamera: PH Buying Guide

Monday 3rd April 2017

Porsche Panamera: PH Buying Guide

Pace, space, and a model for (nearly) every taste - here's how to buy a first-gen Panamera



The idea of a four-door 911 goes all the way back to the 1960s, but it took Porsche until 2009 to launch something in this vein. It was the Panamera, or 970 to give the car its internal product code. Of course, it bore only a passing resemblance to its sports coupe sibling as the Panamera was a front-engined, five-door hatch.

The look is distinctive at least...
The look is distinctive at least...
While some might have wrung their hands at this broadening of the Stuttgart firm's range, the model did make strong business sense. It allowed Porsche to take on Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Maserati and Mercedes in the large, fast saloon sector. With 164,503 Panameras made during the 970's production run to 2016, there's no arguing with its contribution to the company's bottom line.

The first 100,000 of those cars were 970.1 first generation models, which was then replaced by the Gen 2 car in 2013. We've listed the engines below, but the significant change with the facelift was swapping the S models' V8 motors for turbocharged V6s.

Also, the introduction of the Panamera S Hybrid in early 2011 was another clear sign that Porsche was well aware of the need to offer as diverse a range as it could.

Turbo very desirable if you can afford it
Turbo very desirable if you can afford it
For us, the real interest lies in the petrol-only models and, in particular, those with a V8 motor. Go for the full-house Turbo S with 550hp and you have a luxury four-seater that reaches 62mph in 3.8 seconds and tops out at 191mph yet can still offer 24.6mpg combined economy.

If the Panamera sounds like your kind of Porsche, prices now start from £26,000 for an early 3.6-litre V6 with average miles. Upgrade to the V8 S and you'll need to spend another couple of thousand for an early example. Diesels start at £29,000, while the petrol-powered Turbo will require a further £10,000 on top of that. An E-Hybrid will set you back from £45,000, but for the same money we'd rather have the GTS.


Panamera 970.1 models
4.8 S
- 400hp; 0-62mph 5.4sec; top speed 176mph; 6-spd man/7-spd PDK
4.8 4S - 400hp; 0-62mph 4.8sec; top speed 175mph; 7-spd PDK
Turbo - 500hp; 0-62mph 4.0sec; top speed 188mph; 7-spd PDK
Turbo with Powerkit - 540hp; 0-62mph 3.9sec; top speed 190mph; 7-spd PDK
Turbo S - 550hp; 0-62mph 3.8sec; top speed 191mph; 7-spd PDK
GTS - 440hp; 0-62mph 4.3sec; top speed 179mph; 7-spd PDK
3.6 V6 - 300hp; 0-62mph 6.3sec; top speed 161mph; 6-spd man/7-spd PDK
3.6 V6 4 - 300hp; 0-62mph 5.9sec; top speed 160mph; 7-spd PDK
Hybrid-S - 3.0 V6 s/c - 380hp; 0-62mph 5.8sec; top speed 168mph; 8-spd Tiptronic
Diesel - 250hp; 0-62mph 6.8sec; top speed 150mph; 8-spd Tiptronic

Panamera 970.2 models
3.0 S
- 420hp; 0-62mph 5.1sec; top speed 178mph; 7-spd PDK
3.0 4S - 420hp; 0-62mph 4.8sec; top speed 178mph; 7-spd PDK
Turbo - 520hp; 0-62mph 4.1sec; top speed 190mph; 7-spd PDK
Turbo S - 570hp; 0-62mph 3.8sec; top speed 193mph; 7-spd PDK
GTS - 440hp; 0-62mph 4.4sec; top speed 179mph; 7-spd PDK
3.6 V6 - 310hp; 0-62mph 6.3sec; top speed 161mph; 7-spd PDK
3.6 V6 4 - 310hp; 0-62mph 6.1sec; top speed 160mph; 7-spd PDK
S E-Hybrid - 416hhp; 0-62mph 5.5sec; top speed 168mph; 8-spd Tiptronic
Diesel - 250hp; 0-62mph 6.8sec; top speed 152mph; 8-spd Tiptronic
Diesel - 300hp; 0-62mph 5.7ec; top speed 161mph; 8-spd Tiptronic


PHer's view:
"I was looking for a daily drive that was comfortable on long journeys, but still sporty and fun to drive. I considered a Jaguar XJ, BMW 5/7 Series, and nearly bought another Range Rover. Being a big Porsche fan, I was drawn to the Panamera despite only looks a mother could love and I was sold after a test drive!"
Mat Finch


Buying Guide contents:
Introduction
Powertrain
Rolling chassis
Body
Interior
At a glance

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bouvier

Original Poster:

4 posts

83 months

Sunday 2nd April 2017
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Rubbish article. The S E-Hybrid is brilliant and Porsche called me last week to tell me that because residuals were so strong and a new interest rate my monthly repayments have gone down by £250. Poor journalism and advice. It is a marmite car but the E-Hybrid is a lot quicker than 5.5 to 60 when you combine both power trains.

gigglebug

709 posts

50 months

Sunday 2nd April 2017
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bouvier said:
Rubbish article. The S E-Hybrid is brilliant and Porsche called me last week to tell me that because residuals were so strong and a new interest rate my monthly repayments have gone down by £250. Poor journalism and advice. It is a marmite car but the E-Hybrid is a lot quicker than 5.5 to 60 when you combine both power trains.
So just because the person writing the piece would prefer a different model in the range to yourself that confines it to being a rubbish article and constitutes poor journalism and advice even though you yourself have described your preference as a "marmite" car suggesting that you already acknowledge yourself that it might not be everyone's first choice? How does that work?

Armitage.Shanks

297 posts

13 months

Sunday 2nd April 2017
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Tiptronic box would put me off some of the models. why didn't they do PDK across the whole range?

novus

89 posts

88 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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bouvier said:
Rubbish article. The S E-Hybrid is brilliant and Porsche called me last week to tell me that because residuals were so strong and a new interest rate my monthly repayments have gone down by £250. Poor journalism and advice. It is a marmite car but the E-Hybrid is a lot quicker than 5.5 to 60 when you combine both power trains.
Well that's a first.

Finance company noticed car is realising strong values and thinks customer is going to pay them too much money

Contacts customer and passes on saving to them mid term

Sounds legit

great_kahn

75 posts

14 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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£10k for the carbon ceramic discs and pads... wow...

How long does a set last given moderate use?!?!?
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BFleming

611 posts

71 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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bouvier said:
The S E-Hybrid is brilliant and Porsche called me last week to tell me that because residuals were so strong and a new interest rate my monthly repayments have gone down by £250
Did you buy yours with a tracker mortgage?

gizlaroc

10,488 posts

152 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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bouvier said:
Porsche called me last week to tell me that because residuals were so strong and a new interest rate my monthly repayments have gone down by £250.
Custard?

jakesmith

2,081 posts

99 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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Stupid car for stupid people

PGM

2,089 posts

177 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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jakesmith said:
Stupid car for stupid people
Could say the same about Maserati or Evoque?

sjabrown

1,175 posts

88 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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I wonder if these will get much cheaper. Always thought they look much better in the flesh than they do in photos.

jakesmith

2,081 posts

99 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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PGM said:
Could say the same about Maserati or Evoque?
No no I don't agree with that, not at all.

gumsie

668 posts

137 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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sjabrown said:
I wonder if these will get much cheaper. Always thought they look much better in the flesh than they do in photos.
So that's extremely ugly in the flesh versus unbelievably ugly in photos? Very capable car no doubt and good interior.

Saving grace - they ain't in the same league as that Muntayga

spreadsheet monkey

3,294 posts

155 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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sjabrown said:
I wonder if these will get much cheaper. Always thought they look much better in the flesh than they do in photos.
Yes they will definitely get cheaper, just like the Cayenne did. They'll hold their value better than a big-engined A8 or 7-series, but I expect the early six cylinder models will drop below £10k, given another 8-10 years.

J4CKO

24,030 posts

128 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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spreadsheet monkey said:
sjabrown said:
I wonder if these will get much cheaper. Always thought they look much better in the flesh than they do in photos.
Yes they will definitely get cheaper, just like the Cayenne did. They'll hold their value better than a big-engined A8 or 7-series, but I imagine they will still drop below £10k, given another 8-10 years.
I think relative rarity keeps values up a bit, see very few compared to Cayennes, even allowing for the Cayenne being around a lot longer, entry level is about 25 grand, for a seven year old one, not bad going really, but like you say, they will eventually drop, will be 15 years old by then. They aren't that good looking, but what a fantastic piece of kit.

Aeroresh

1,423 posts

160 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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jakesmith said:
Stupid car for stupid people
Theres a health dose of irony in that statement!

Kawasicki

5,089 posts

163 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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great_kahn said:
£10k for the carbon ceramic discs and pads... wow...

How long does a set last given moderate use?!?!?
Discs should last bloody ages!

DKL

3,169 posts

150 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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Are there actually any manual cars? None for sale - maybe a white 4.8 in the classifieds but not entirely sure. I don't imagine they were that popular.

dvs_dave

5,084 posts

153 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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spreadsheet monkey said:
sjabrown said:
I wonder if these will get much cheaper. Always thought they look much better in the flesh than they do in photos.
Yes they will definitely get cheaper, just like the Cayenne did. They'll hold their value better than a big-engined A8 or 7-series, but I expect the early six cylinder models will drop below £10k, given another 8-10 years.
The D4 Audi S8 or W221 Merc S63 offer better looks, luxury and performance for less money.

037

980 posts

75 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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3years ago the cheapest ones were around £35k so pretty good residuals.
I like them best in silver with black wheels. Think I'd go for a gen 2 one as they look just a little better!

gadgetJunky72

154 posts

104 months

Monday 3rd April 2017
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I bought a new S e-hybrid in 2015. it's the worst car i've ever owned from a driving experience point of view. the technology just wasn't ready. it's lost too much for me to consider upgrading to the new one. it's lovely inside, but i just hate driving it and bought a 640 to use as a daily driver instead.