991 Carrera S (Gen 1)

[BigLion]

Thinking of adding another car to the stable. I don't mind too much about the outlay (up to 70k) but I do want to minimise exposure to depreciation as I'm only going to do about 3k miles a year in it.

Assuming I got a 991.1 Carerra S 2013 plate for about £65k with a good spec and around 25k miles - how much depreciation do you think I would face over the next 3 years (when it would have around 35k miles on it)? Was thinking it would be worth around 40k, hence 25k hit?

I'm thinking I might be better off going for a 997.2 Turbo - but for 65k you end up getting a car with some serious mileage already on it and a dated interior, but in 3 years the hit might only be 15k???

[JM944]

And how much extra will the turbo cost to run in that time?

By 997 GTS for that money I think it will depreciate less if you only put 10k on it.

[Trgasy]

I think values are holding pretty well! Even gen2 997 are at around 45!! And don't go lower!!
I agree 997 gts is the sweet spot tho with its tiny production number!
991 I am convinced the floor is at 50!! Ahh the last na, faster than a gt3 997.2! Pity it is a bit heavy!!

[av185]

997 GTS are great cars but over valued and way to expensive for such an old car.

991 Carrera could face fairly stiff depreciation.

If you are not bothered about purchase cost, buy a GT4. A superb package, way above a Carrera S for driving focus and enjoyment with GT3 front suspension and brakes.

Unlikely to depreciate if you buy the right spec too.

A no brainer.

[Montcoffer]

I'm biased because I have one, but my take on it is a 991.1 being the last of the naturally aspirated 911's will hold its value well, given time I also feel the manual will be more sort after than the PDK?
I purposefully chose my 991.1 Black Edition on this basis, when I could have waited for the 991.2 turbo engines. I'm not to worried on depreciation as I plan to keep mine long term, time will tell!!!
Best go with your heart for the car you will love rather than adding to much science to it.

[HokumPokum]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

too right.

every model is unique and moves the brand forward in some way. You win some, you lose some.

If you have a successful formula why change it too much?

[jackliebling]

Here's my experience...

2009 Cayman 2.9
Bought £33k 2009 (9 months old)
Sold 2 years later for £23k
Value now around £23-25k (eight years later!)

2009 997.2 Targa 4
Bought £54k in 2011.
Similar cars now sell for about £45k now

2013 991S
Bought £64k Oct 2015.
traded it in £59k in Jan 2017
and the dealer sold it for £67k
(with 10k more miles on the clock).

If the past 5-10 years price behaviour continues, the 991S will probably settle down £45-60k depending on mileage and age. The main depreciation is the dealers markup (£5-7k) and that happens the instant you drive it away.

I think you will have a car that keeps its value remarkably well (if you buy at the right price...)

Edited by jackliebling on Sunday 9th April 21:32

Edited by jackliebling on Sunday 9th April 21:34

[BigLion]

jackliebling said:

Here's my experience...

2009 Cayman 2.9
Bought £33k 2009 (9 months old)
Sold 2 years later for £23k
Value now around £23-25k (eight years later!)

2009 997.2 Targa 4
Bought £54k in 2011.
Similar cars now sell for about £45k now

2013 991S
Bought £64k Oct 2015.
traded it in £59k in Jan 2017
and the dealer sold it for £67k
(with 10k more miles on the clock).

If the past 5-10 years price behaviour continues, the 991S will probably settle down £45-60k depending on mileage and age. The main depreciation is the dealers markup (£5-7k) and that happens the instant you drive it away.

I think you will have a car that keeps its value remarkably well (if you buy at the right price...)

Edited by jackliebling on Sunday 9th April 21:32

Edited by jackliebling on Sunday 9th April 21:34

That is very useful - thank you

[BigLion]

Saw this as well...

[Andrew911]

I was in a similar position recently. Sold my 981 Spyder & wondering what next until the 718 GT4 (if there will be one). I narrowed it down to a 991.1 C2S or a 997 turbo. Depreciation was a deciding factor & therefore decided to buy a low milage, high spec 997 turbo for 57K from a top indy. IMO the 997 turbo will depreciate a lot less if at all than the 991.1. A manual 997 turbo being the most desirable. RPM Porsche have a couple of 997 manual turbos in stock.

[BigLion]

Thanks, I've bought from RPM before and they are a great outfit.

What I don't get is why manuals are so heavily desired on a turbo given it is a GT type car - with the amount of acceleration on offer I'm concered I'd be forever grabbing at the gears ?

Is it because tiptronic is really poor or something?

[Andrew911]

BigLion said:

Thanks, I've bought from RPM before and they are a great outfit.

What I don't get is why manuals are so heavily desired on a turbo given it is a GT type car - with the amount of acceleration on offer I'm concered I'd be forever grabbing at the gears ?

Is it because tiptronic is really poor or something?

I have recently bought a 997.1 turbo tip from JZM. The car is great. I was seduced by the excellent condition, low miles, a mega spec including every leather option ticked, PCCBs etc. The car had £6000 spent on it last year by previous owner, But didn't realised how much I missed a manual after selling the 981 Spyder. The tip box in the 997.1 is a bit of a relic. If you have experienced a PDK you will realise. The tip box seems to take almost a second sometimes to change. Doesn't seem much; but when the PDK does it in milliseconds, you do notice the lag a bit. Add in the lower number of turbo manuals & suddenly you have a very desirable future classic. I still love my turbo though despite the tip - the car is so good in every other way. The interior is still modern enough but feels on the cusp of a classic which I quite like; even coming from a new 981 Spyder. If I was looking now I would place a deposit on the grey 997 turbo at RPM.

The 991 will however feel more modern though. Depends what floats your boat. Depreciation for me was a big factor. 65-70K for a 991.1 C2S still has a way to drop; but the 57K I paid for the 997 turbo will hardly drop (I hope) & likely to at least remain at that level for the three years i intend to keep it.

Edited by Andrew911 on Monday 10th April 12:02

Edited by Andrew911 on Monday 10th April 12:06

[BigLion]

Andrew911 said:

BigLion said:

Thanks, I've bought from RPM before and they are a great outfit.

What I don't get is why manuals are so heavily desired on a turbo given it is a GT type car - with the amount of acceleration on offer I'm concered I'd be forever grabbing at the gears ?

Is it because tiptronic is really poor or something?

I have recently bought a 997.1 turbo tip from JZM. The car is great. I was seduced by the excellent condition, low miles, a mega spec including every leather option ticked, PCCBs etc. The car had £6000 spent on it last year by previous owner, But didn't realised how much I missed a manual after selling the 981 Spyder. The tip box in the 997.1 is a bit of a relic. If you have experienced a PDK you will realise. The tip box seems to take almost a second sometimes to change. Doesn't seem much; but when the PDK does it in milliseconds, you do notice the lag a bit. Add in the lower number of turbo manuals & suddenly you have a very desirable future classic. I still love my turbo though despite the tip - the car is so good in every other way. The interior is still modern enough but feels on the cusp of a classic which I quite like; even coming from a new 981 Spyder. If I was looking now I would place a deposit on the grey 997 turbo at RPM.

The 991 will however feel more modern though. Depends what floats your boat. Depreciation for me was a big factor. 65-70K for a 991.1 C2S still has a way to drop; but the 57K I paid for the 997 turbo will hardly drop (I hope) & likely to at least remain at that level for the three years i intend to keep it.

Edited by Andrew911 on Monday 10th April 12:02

Edited by Andrew911 on Monday 10th April 12:06

Thanks - will have a look through the classifieds

[julian987R]

no affiliation to the listing but this seems like a special 991 S with AeroKit....not seen that fitted before from factory on an S

Porsche 911 Carrera S 991 PDK Coupe with Factory Aerokit Cup

[simonsti]

You would hope that after 5 years he is probably sorted!

[Haribo Lecter]

991.1 S/GTS are the pick of the 991 range IMO. I’m not a fan of the turbocharged Carrera’s. Too much turbo whoosh and not enough induction.

The 9A2 is a screamer and an absolute joy to drive.

I’ve had mine for 3yrs now and honestly can’t think what to replace it with, except a GT3 which would be twice the price.

Do get Sport Chrono and Sport Exhaust, and I would recommend PDCC as the car really does corner without any real roll.