Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[interloper]

Halb said:

It simply reinforced how solid the first film is and it's relationships

Hang on a minute TFA was only superficially good, it riffed far too heavily on ANH to be considered a good star wars film.

I must admit I quite liked TLJ not perfect by a long chalk but I was relieved it wasn't a complete knock off of Empire and it brought some new elements. Yes there were a couple of awkward scenes but over all I think it was s good effort.

[Russian Troll Bot]

AndStilliRise said:

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-h...

Wow, even by internet fanboy standards that is pathetic. Do they seriously think some suits at Disney will see that and agree the film they released a week ago and has already brought in over half a billion dollars should be scrapped?

[Jonesy23]

Reading the stuff Mark Hamill is quoted as saying about the film I get the impression he was tied up by a contract and dragged into a version of the role he didn't agree with.

Not exactly destined to be a classic at the moment is it?

[zygalski]

bhstewie said:

r11co said:

All points missed. Pivotal one though is Snoke - his back-story is irrelevant. He's powerful enough in the force to suspend Rey in mid-air and orchestrate the force-link between her and Ren (pivotal to the plot) but didn't notice the lightsabre moving to kill him?!?

My 10 year-old daugher questioned that, so if she can see the problem there why can't you?

Because I'm dumber than your 10 year old daughter or maybe I just didn't overthink it.

Honestly when I watched it I assumed Snoke was so focused on Rey that he couldn't see what was right in front of him.

Wood for the trees. Simple as that for me.

Yeah that makes sense.
Tap on one shoulder, run around the other side.

I'm not force sensitive like Snoke, just ste sensitive, and the plot was full of it.

[Halb]

interloper said:

Hang on a minute TFA was only superficially good, it riffed far too heavily on ANH to be considered a good star wars film.

I must admit I quite liked TLJ not perfect by a long chalk but I was relieved it wasn't a complete knock off of Empire and it brought some new elements. Yes there were a couple of awkward scenes but over all I think it was s good effort.

Ah, I wasn't clear, I meant Star Wars, not the Force Awakens, and was thinking of Guinness, Cushing, Hamil, Fisher etc.

[Vincefox]

I enjoyed the spectacle of it but it doesn't feel like "my" Star Wars anymore. Still a good popcorn filum tho.

[ben5575]

Russian Troll Bot said:

AndStilliRise said:

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-h...

Wow, even by internet fanboy standards that is pathetic. Do they seriously think some suits at Disney will see that and agree the film they released a week ago and has already brought in over half a billion dollars should be scrapped?

Or alternatively it was started by a suit at Disney so that they could use it to provoke exactly your reaction and build a case that's just all those sad fanbois who hate the film. Bit like that mysterious FB page apparently botting rotton tomatoes despite a denial by RT that they're not being botted, that is quoted in every article reacting to the reaction. Every article.

Almost as if somebody had invested $500m in something and had a multi $m marketing budget to protect that investment.

I'll go get my tin foil now...

[Halb]

This 'fanboy' moniker, it seems to be used both as a sort who defend the films to the hilt and every decision made therein, and as a sort of fan who thinks they own the brand and want things done their/90s book way.

[parabolica]

chris watton said:

Hands up those who are going to pay good money to re-watch this at the cinema!

• puts hand up* seen it twice now; loved it both times.

chris watton said:

I cannot believe for a second that Mark Kermode, who I have listened to for a couple of decades couldn't see the gaping flaws in this movie and instead just praise it. It makes little sense.

Having just listened to last week's podcast today, he did say he had reservations (inc the pointless casino bit and a few other things) but overall enjoyed it very much.

[Russian Troll Bot]

ben5575 said:

Or alternatively it was started by a suit at Disney so that they could use it to provoke exactly your reaction and build a case that's just all those sad fanbois who hate the film. Bit like that mysterious FB page apparently botting rotton tomatoes despite a denial by RT that they're not being botted, that is quoted in every article reacting to the reaction. Every article.

Almost as if somebody had invested $500m in something and had a multi $m marketing budget to protect that investment.

I'll go get my tin foil now...

Nothing wrong with people not liking the film, as with any form of media it's purely subjective as to what constitutes good or bad. Demanding it be stricken from the record and remade because it didn't meet their personal vision though is just beyond sad. Anything with the Star Wars name attached will make a ridiculous amount of money no matter what happens, so I really doubt Disney want to engineer any controversy, especially after the Battlefront 2 backlash.

[Halb]

Here are the latest numbers, if Jedi dips below Rogue-1 it might be an indication of disapproval or saturation. A Thursday bump there.

	Rogue-1	TFA	The Last Jedi
Mon	$17,596,150, -53.3%, $172,677,831	$40,109,742, -33.8%, $288,076,417	$21,556,373, -58%, $241,565,957
Tue	$17,582,978, -0.1%, $190,260,809	$37,361,729, -6.9%, $325,438,146	$20,254,189, -6%, $261,820,146
Wed	$14,965,790, -14.9%, $205,226,599	$38,022,183, +1.8%, $363,460,329	$16,889,863, -16.6%, $278,710,009
Thu	$16,773,075, +12.1%, $221,999,674	$27,395,725, -27.9%, $390,856,054	$17,892,347, +5.9%, $296,602,356

[TTmonkey]

Halb said:

Here are the latest numbers, if Jedi dips below Rogue-1 it might be an indication of disapproval or saturation. A Thursday bump there.

	Rogue-1	TFA	The Last Jedi
Mon	$17,596,150, -53.3%, $172,677,831	$40,109,742, -33.8%, $288,076,417	$21,556,373, -58%, $241,565,957
Tue	$17,582,978, -0.1%, $190,260,809	$37,361,729, -6.9%, $325,438,146	$20,254,189, -6%, $261,820,146
Wed	$14,965,790, -14.9%, $205,226,599	$38,022,183, +1.8%, $363,460,329	$16,889,863, -16.6%, $278,710,009
Thu	$16,773,075, +12.1%, $221,999,674	$27,395,725, -27.9%, $390,856,054	$17,892,347, +5.9%, $296,602,356

For me, R1 is by far the best film of the three yet has the lowest figures. I can't really see why people didn't come out in equal numbers for Rogue One.

[Halb]

TTmonkey said:

For me, R1 is by far the best film of the three yet has the lowest figures. I can't really see why people didn't come out in equal numbers for Rogue One.

Same.
I can remember thinking, at the time it wasn't pushed one tenth the way TFA was. I have just watched that awesome doc on BBC, and Rogue1 was an English film, like Star Wars, the guy wanted that traditional 70s vibe and tried to replicate what they did in '76. R1 made over a billion, I guess Disney don't intend to push the anthology films as hard as the official Skywalker trilogy.

[Russian Troll Bot]

Halb said:

TTmonkey said:

For me, R1 is by far the best film of the three yet has the lowest figures. I can't really see why people didn't come out in equal numbers for Rogue One.

Same.
I can remember thinking, at the time it wasn't pushed one tenth the way TFA was. I have just watched that awesome doc on BBC, and Rogue1 was an English film, like Star Wars, the guy wanted that traditional 70s vibe and tried to replicate what they did in '76. R1 made over a billion, I guess Disney don't intend to push the anthology films as hard as the official Skywalker trilogy.

Rogue One is my favourite as well, but it had the advantage that it was a completely self-contained film whereas TFA was tasked with not only kickstarting a new trilogy, but all the associated media. So I can see why they pushed it harder since there was more for them to lose if it under-performed. Plus it had the advantage of people wanting to watch it to find out where the story leads and see the old cast on the big screen again, so I'm not surprised it made more money.

[Guvernator]

Yes agree, Roque One is the best film of the new lot and I reckon the reason why I like it so much is because

1) It has a good story and a coherent plot

2) It ties in brilliantly into the OT

Two things that Rian Johnson should have taken a serious lesson from.

I really don't understand the thought process behind "bury the past, kill it". Did they not realise they'd risk alienating a huge number of fans built up over the last 40 years by doing that?

[anonymous-user]

Just seen it, what a great film. True to Star Wars, but shakes up a stale format a bit with some innovative plot twists.

Disney are making some great films and overwhelmingly positive ratings from the critics showing it's possibly one of the best Star Wars films so far.

People always resist change and innovation but Star Wars needs to move on and Rian Johnson has done just that,

[Ozone]

I haven't seen TLJ but this article is interesting, particularly the last paragraph.

Why does a fantasy film have to reflect the world today?

[bitchstewie]

Ozone said:

I haven't seen TLJ but this article is interesting, particularly the last paragraph.

Why does a fantasy film have to reflect the world today?

Maybe they've decided to reflect how the world was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....

Honestly, go watch the film, you may come out thinking all the fuss about Chinese/black/female characters is overblown.

[Moonhawk]

Ozone said:

I haven't seen TLJ but this article is interesting, particularly the last paragraph.

Why does a fantasy film have to reflect the world today?

For all the pontificating about diversity - blah blah, Hollywood is still stuck on certain gender and race stereotypes.

Why are pretty much all of the baddies white, English accented males (with the exception of Phasma - who despite being female is still white and 'English' accented).

It was the same with Ghostbusters 3. Main villain was a white, male loner (who was defeated by a metaphorical 'kick to the balls' )

When are we going to see a female main villain (and dare I say it - one that isn't also defeated by a female hero). Even when women do play villains, they often turn out to have a nice side afterall, or if they are defeated, it's pretty much always at the hands of a female hero.

At the start of TLJ, I had the briefest glimmer that Rey might actually turn out to be the villain of the story - willingly going to the darkside (and clearly terrifying Luke), whilst Kylo was still conflicted and would ultimately come back to the light to defeat her. That would have really shaken things up and taken things in a different direction...........but no.......it was clearly a step too far.

[Tycho]

Moonhawk said:

When are we going to see a female main villain (and dare I say it - one that isn't also defeated by a female hero). Even when women do play villains, they often turn out to have a nice side afterall, or if they are defeated, it's pretty much always at the hands of a female hero.

Wasn't this in the latest Thor film?