RE: New Sandero R.S. 2.0 announced... for Brazil
Monday 15th May 2017
If you were to pool PHers and ask about their ideal hot hatch recipe, what do you think would come up? A 2.0-litre naturally aspirated engine, a six-speed manual gearbox and Michelin Pilot Sport 4 rubber sounds like a pretty good start, and they're all included on the latest 'Racing Spirit' Renault Sandero R.S. 2.0.
Mmm, racyThe tyres are the big news for this Sandero, the standard 150hp R.S. having been available in South American markets for a couple of years now. The PS4s are the de facto replacement for the Super Sport, a tyre that has made a very good name for itself on performance cars. In addition the Racing Spirit receives black 17-inch wheels, red calipers and a unique decal set - if you don't like black and red, best look elsewhere!
New Sandero R.S. 2.0 announced... for Brazil
It's the best selling hot hatch over there, don't you know
Mmm, racy
The interior also gets a refresh in the best Wine Gum colours with updated seats, air vents and dials. It's not exactly plush, but then that wouldn't be the Dacia way, would it? Or the Renault way, in this specific case.
The Racing Spirit Sandero will be shown to prospective customers at the Buenos Aires motor show in June, ahead of sales presumably starting some point soon. If any South American PHers know what a Sandero R.S. is like, we'd love to know!
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Discussion
Mr2Mike said:
bungz said:
Wouldn't want it to look obvious like that one though.
It is a wee bit shouty for my tastes as well, and the wheels look a bit lost in those arches. Presumably this will be a strangled version of the old 182 engine?Not sure why one of the cheaper manufacturers cant produce a value hot hatch with decent power, for example this or say an MG3 with 250 bhp for 13/14 grand or so ?
Surely its not that hard to generate power, not that hard to get them to handle, the MG3 is a decent handler in standard form, might not be Reanultsport or Golf Clubsport level but a cheap and cheerful properly quick hatch would do well.
Surely its not that hard to generate power, not that hard to get them to handle, the MG3 is a decent handler in standard form, might not be Reanultsport or Golf Clubsport level but a cheap and cheerful properly quick hatch would do well.
J4CKO said:
Not sure why one of the cheaper manufacturers cant produce a value hot hatch with decent power, for example this or say an MG3 with 250 bhp for 13/14 grand or so ?
Surely its not that hard to generate power, not that hard to get them to handle, the MG3 is a decent handler in standard form, might not be Reanultsport or Golf Clubsport level but a cheap and cheerful properly quick hatch would do well.
250bhp would fold it in half. 1.5 turbo they have with 180bhp would be more than enough.Surely its not that hard to generate power, not that hard to get them to handle, the MG3 is a decent handler in standard form, might not be Reanultsport or Golf Clubsport level but a cheap and cheerful properly quick hatch would do well.
I really like that! It's another low-blow that we're not getting it over here. In fact, yes i do, it 's because it would steal yet more sales away from the MK4 Renaultsport Clio, despite it being a warm hatch as apposed to a hot one, no doubt.
Renault's arrogant marketing scheme, which doesn't work in their favor really, as it's only in other countries where the 200 EDC is selling well. I think this car would definitely be a better proposition here as a cheap, fun car with a bit of performance.
Renault's arrogant marketing scheme, which doesn't work in their favor really, as it's only in other countries where the 200 EDC is selling well. I think this car would definitely be a better proposition here as a cheap, fun car with a bit of performance.
Dion20vt said:
I have a feeling EU emissions regs would kill the car off before it starts. The reason why most makes/models are downsizing and going the forced induction route in UK and Europe.
Is South America subject to the same regs?
In short, no. Is South America subject to the same regs?
Here is a pretty comprehensive overview of worldwide emissions standards. Brazil is covered in pages 34-35.
But you are quite right, regarding the Euro regulations would make it nearly impossible to sell over here. And local tax regulations would make it too expensive nowadays.
Filibuster said:
In short, no.
Here is a pretty comprehensive overview of worldwide emissions standards. Brazil is covered in pages 34-35.
But you are quite right, regarding the Euro regulations would make it nearly impossible to sell over here. And local tax regulations would make it too expensive nowadays.
Hmmm... So how does Toybaru get away with it with the GT86/BRZ? That N/A Flat 4 is not a typically-modern engine, strictly speaking. I wouldn't say that it's specifically the fuel consumption/tax etc that puts people off the car and they will be still producing it with the same layout for a good few years to come, with no intention of changing it anytime soon, as far as i know. Here is a pretty comprehensive overview of worldwide emissions standards. Brazil is covered in pages 34-35.
But you are quite right, regarding the Euro regulations would make it nearly impossible to sell over here. And local tax regulations would make it too expensive nowadays.
I know there is a fair bit of speculation on how well they're actually selling here but they don't seem put-off by their choice of engine for the car, by any means. There are a few other manufacturers that have done the same but, in all fairness, the next models seem to be following suit and along with the times with smaller, FI engines. Toybaru don't seem to be phased by this.
culpz said:
xjay1337 said:
I don't get the appeal of these cars.
Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
The exact same reason why hot hatches became popular in the first place.Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
They are cheap but very, very nasty inside and it's really a case of you get what you pay for.
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