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RE: Jaguar F-Type S Coupe: PH Fleet

RE: Jaguar F-Type S Coupe: PH Fleet

Sunday 21st May

Jaguar F-Type S Coupe: PH Fleet

Bye-bye F-Type - someone's going to score themselves a classifieds bargain!



The newly updated F-Type range stretches from £49,000 four-cylinder to £110,800 V8 mentalist SVR, and since the car first launched we in the motoring media have desperately tried - and failed - to find where it intersects with the Porsche range. Dammit it's just so tempting though. England v. Germany is a clickbait dream. The target audience for something on the sportier side of the GT equation would seem to be similar. And yet it's still unclear whether the F-Type is an expensive Cayman rival, or a 911 chaser on the cheap.

Funnily enough the looks still appeal
Funnily enough the looks still appeal
By the time I'd finished on the configurator (OK, not quite finished given I forgot to black out the chrome bits...) 'my' F-Type was over £70K. So seemingly in the 911 realm. Yet it's not really a fair contest - the 911 is a much more expensive car and feels it too. But as OV66 EUH returns to the fold and, eventually, a Jaguar dealer's forecourt somewhere, the comparisons get a little more interesting. Because used six-cylinder F-Types are something of a bargain.

Cars barely into four-figure mileages are plentiful at less than £50K, many of these (like mine) specced as £70K-plus cars. The fact these are pre-facelift cars will depress pricing further but at this price point you're thick into the realm of used Caymans, at which point the idea of a characterful Jaguar coupe with a charismatic six-cylinder engine all of a sudden has powerful attraction.

There are just three manual F-Type Coupes in the PH classifieds as I write, the sole S up for £47K with under 3,000 miles on the clock. And an equivalently aged six-cylinder Cayman GTS carries twice the miles and costs another £15K. An S manual is closer at £52K and there are many ways to skin this cat but it's safe to say that a 380hp V6 F-Type presents itself as a compelling used alternative to an equivalent Cayman at this kind of money.

Retrofitted Black Pack helped too!
Retrofitted Black Pack helped too!
Even as something of an F-Type fan I'd never pretend the Jaguar would see which way a well-driven Cayman went on the road or track. But in that more nebulous realm of status and image I'd argue the F-Type is a more prestigious car. It's also a very pleasant thing to live with, as I feel qualified to say having covered best part of 13,000 miles in it since last October. I'll come to some of the detail quibbles I've uncovered shortly, but fundamentally the F-Type scores very highly as a feel-good car. Other people like it too, even those who'd profess to be 'not that into cars' - it's one of those designs that plucks heartstrings of a broad cross section of folk.

I like the design of the Coupe and the boot has proven itself properly useful, capable of carrying a handy amount of luggage, a new exhaust for my Forester and even a Christmas tree. Sort of. When I put my bike on the roof with the Sea Sucker rack there was plenty of room for the front wheel and all my kit, and on a gentle mooch I regularly saw over 30mpg. Which I think is pretty respectable for a supercharged V6 in a heavy car of this nature.

It's a comfy and stylish car to be in too, so long as you ignore the crummy infotainment interface (now updated) and enjoy the fundamentals rather than fixate on some of the details. It's a very driver-centric car though, the round steering wheel (a novelty in this day and age), cowled dials and low-slung driving position informing you of the old-school character.

PH in 'likes V6 manual RWD sports car' shocker
PH in 'likes V6 manual RWD sports car' shocker
I dialled into the slightly busy ride (springs and dampers are well matched but there's seemingly not a huge amount of wheel travel) and the pointiness of the steering, enjoying an enthusiastic response to corner entry even a standard Cayman can't match. For EPAS the steering is very nice too, the weight and feedback pretty decent. A proactive and early use of the throttle maintains that willingness to turn in. And without the manic power delivery of the V8 or the snatchiness of its electronic locking diff the mechanical LSD gives the S a lovely balance. Aggressive use of the right pedal could unleash oversteer - and quite a lot of it even with the systems on - but a more progressive approach revealed a 'softer' rotation than you'd get in the more fighty V8 versions.

And though the manual shift's throw and the clutch pedal's vagueness made the transmission less pleasurable than it could have been, the flexibility of the engine and control over proceedings was always involving. The need to rev and slip the clutch to overcome the automatic release of the electric handbrake and some cruise control wobbles are hints the calibration isn't perhaps as polished as it is in the automatic, but I was happy with my 'old school' spec. You won't find many - if any - like this either. My Firesand Orange paint has been discontinued, manuals are rare and my choice of a carbon roof extremely unusual. And I have to thank Jaguar again for sparing my blushes on the chrome window surrounds and replacing them with the black pack I forgot to spec originally - the change absolutely transformed the looks.

On its way to a Jag dealer near you soon!
On its way to a Jag dealer near you soon!
Intermittent cruise control, errant shifter gate stitching and a centre console carpet fault would all have been sorted under warranty if I'd got around to taking the car to a dealer. However, I think they count as pretty minor foibles given the use the car had.

My only disappointment was not getting a proper go on track to finish off the rear tyres, which after 13,000 miles were getting close to their wear limiters. I squeezed in a couple of laps of Anglesey the other week and, as expected, the weight was impossible to ignore. It was, however, beautifully balanced, richly interactive and rewarding to drive 'properly' before temptation got the better of me and I did a couple of luxuriant skids for good measure. Not its natural environment, but I did at least get it out of my system before they took it back.

It'll be interesting to track F-Types as the market matures too. My suspicion is that six-cylinder Caymans and Boxsters will hold their money while the Jaguars will remain excellent value. And once you start comparing the Jaguar's more inspiring engine note with the fast but farty 718-model Porsches I think those chasing a more romantic driving experience will find the F-Type a more attractive proposition. It deserves to be.


FACT SHEET
Car
: Jaguar F-Type S Coupe
Run by: Dan 
On fleet since: October 2016
Mileage: 13,216
List price new: £71,880 (Basic list of £60,775 plus Firesand Orange paint £715; Jet leather facings and Firesand stitch £0; Jet/Firesand Interior £0; Dark Hex Aluminium centre console £0, 20-inch Cyclone wheels in black £1,785; High Performance Brake System with black calipers £310; Visibility Pack inc. heated windscreen and Auto High Beam Assist £1,100; Premium Leather Interior with Performance Seats £2,495; Parking Pack inc. front parking sensors and rear view camera £515; illuminated metal treadplates with Jaguar script £255; Meridian 770W Digital Surround Sound System £1,380 and Carbon Fibre Roof £2,550)
Last month at a glance: There's a Jaguar-shaped hole in Dan's life

Previous reports:
If PH built F-Type Coupes...
Spec blushes averted with de-chroming
Hang on, another spec cock up?
Jaguar + bike = happy Dan
Back to driving school in the F-Type
Past 10,000 miles and the noise is still invigorating

 

 

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Discussion

DPSFleet

Original Poster:

153 posts

80 months

Wednesday 17th May
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Just sold my convertible V6S after nearly 3 years and was sad to see it go but hey, what depreciation! Mine was over £80k new and I trousered less than £43k two weeks ago. Meanwhile my 2011 997 GT3 remains static in price. Different cars, yes of course but in more ways than one. Great noise though from that V6 - so much so I bought a V6 Range Rover Sport so I do not miss it!.

RobDown

1,891 posts

47 months

Wednesday 17th May
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The depreciation looks (and is heavy). But keep in mind there are big discounts to be had on new ones that slightly soften the blow

Triple7

3,783 posts

156 months

Wednesday 17th May
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Pre-face lift cars tended to have £10k thrown at them towards the end, but those early adopters, ouch. The difference in forecourt price and part ex price is another story....so more than £20k loss in 6 months. Bonkers....

Not a fan of the V6S, but I would like to reserve final judgement until after I have driven the 400 Sport. SVR I would love! ❤️


swisstoni

5,285 posts

198 months

Wednesday 17th May
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I've tried but I just can't like these things. The styling is heavy handed somehow.

Edited by swisstoni on Thursday 18th May 07:09

tonker

52,568 posts

167 months

Wednesday 17th May
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So, as we all said, it was hugely overpriced. Which is reflected in painful residuals for early buyers, and presumably fat discounts for everyone else are making a mockery of the attempts to paint it as a 911 rival (excellent. Car though it no doubt is)
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ZX10R NIN

7,520 posts

44 months

Wednesday 17th May
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I like the sound of the V6's the depreciation is to be expected but I do see these firming up in the next few years more so the V8's but the V6's should benefit from the V8's being desirable.


mpkayeuk

17 posts

154 months

Wednesday 17th May
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tonker said:
So, as we all said, it was hugely overpriced. Which is reflected in painful residuals for early buyers, and presumably fat discounts for everyone else are making a mockery of the attempts to paint it as a 911 rival (excellent. Car though it no doubt is)
Overpriced? For you, perhaps. But not for all the other people who bought them in the first place, and in good numbers. Nobody buys a Jaguar expecting Porsche (or BMW for that matter) residuals.

Andyt25

1,078 posts

167 months

Thursday 18th May
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Lovely looking car the F......I was given the new 400 Sport as a loan car when my company car XE went in for service....loved it, the styling, the drama the way it drove. Never thought I would say this but always been a manual fan but after driving the manual S and the paddle shift the paddle was better I thought....Great gearbox and I think there is a reason there aren't that many manuals for bought new because of how good the 8 speed auto one is. Until I had the XE as a company car have never really warmed to Jaguar but now would take most of the range over the Germans....An S used at 45k or an R at 50k is a lot of car for the money.

donutskidmark

606 posts

72 months

Thursday 18th May
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This car looks great...... like a rich man's Toyota GT66

tonker

52,568 posts

167 months

Thursday 18th May
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mpkayeuk said:
Overpriced? For you, perhaps. But not for all the other people who bought them in the first place, and in good numbers. Nobody buys a Jaguar expecting Porsche (or BMW for that matter) residuals.
Quite funny.

As for BMW residuals...... they are just about the biggest discounter out there....

GranCab

951 posts

65 months

Thursday 18th May
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tonker said:
mpkayeuk said:
Overpriced? For you, perhaps. But not for all the other people who bought them in the first place, and in good numbers. Nobody buys a Jaguar expecting Porsche (or BMW for that matter) residuals.
Quite funny.

As for BMW residuals...... they are just about the biggest discounter out there....
I think there are more pre-reg. BMWs around than anything else ... Check out Sytner's website !

C7 JFW

819 posts

138 months

Thursday 18th May
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DPSFleet said:
Just sold my convertible V6S after nearly 3 years and was sad to see it go but hey, what depreciation! Mine was over £80k new and I trousered less than £43k two weeks ago. Meanwhile my 2011 997 GT3 remains static in price. Different cars, yes of course but in more ways than one. Great noise though from that V6 - so much so I bought a V6 Range Rover Sport so I do not miss it!.
I cannot quite get my head around this way of thinking. Buy a new car, then sell 3 years later.

£1027 per month in depreciation.

Evidently, you must have a very strong income.

Scottie - NW

667 posts

152 months

Thursday 18th May
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I think this Jag in the article looks really good, and the ones I have heard sound great.

What weight are Jag quoting for it....and more importantly have you put it on the scales to check?

w824gb3

132 posts

141 months

Thursday 18th May
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What's the fascination with weight? You don't have to push it or carry it and I doubt you'd notice on the A6xx stuck behind that Yaris/Jazz.

IbrahimLafayette

10 posts

3 months

Thursday 18th May
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Had a V6S Coupe in automatic for a few weeks, it was about 100.000 € (Germany) and had a lot of extras fitted.

The engine sounds great, unfortunately it is the major selling point.
The interior didn't feel anywhere near a 100.000 € car, it's even worse in that regard when you add 50.000 € to put the V8 in. The infotainment is terrible, I don't think it has gotten much better with the facelift.
It was in dynamic mode, gearbox in sport, with the dampers and steering in normal the whole time, you have to reactive the dynamic mode every 8 hours. The ride is a bit firm, the boot space is sufficient. It is quick, but not fast. If you floor it on the autobahn it is no more spectacular than a 335d. A bit heavy for a coupe, but still very enjoyable to drive.
The Meridian sound system (~3.000 €) is an absolute rip off at that price. I wouldn't recommend the heated front windscreen, the wires are quite visible.

It's a shame the cayman has lost its six-cylinder engine.

I would happily drive it again, but the asking price is a bit too high.