GT86 Reliability - Blown Engines

[V8RX7]

I stumbled onto a GT86 cheap as it needs an engine - it's done less than 30k

Thinking they must be available cheap - as who would need an engine on a late, reliable Japanese car I started googling.

It seems blown GT86 engines are quite common

I know Porsche, Nissan, VAG etc have had problems with engines too - whatever happened to engineering ?

[CABC]

V8RX7 said:

whatever happened to engineering ?

engineered to a price.
The days of old Saab and the Merc W124 are long gone

[V8RX7]

CABC said:

engineered to a price.

I'm not expecting 300k - but significant failures / costs before 100k must hurt reputations and then the Sales / Prices of new cars

[james_gt3rs]

Are there any modern mainstream engines that don't have an internet Achilles heel?

[Krikkit]

It will hurt reputation if there are lots of cars with an issue, but I'd expect most if not all unmodified cars to be having replacements FOC from Toyota if they want to keep their rep.

[CABC]

V8RX7 said:

I'm not expecting 300k - but significant failures / costs before 100k must hurt reputations and then the Sales / Prices of new cars

well, all manufacturers are more cost aware now, just sayin'.

Also, i've been following the 86 threads myself. There are a number of factors at play here, such as mods, mapping, high rev driving and possible downshift mistakes, and bad fuel (mostly coming up in US threads). These cars aren't often left standard. It's hard to pin down a common theme.

[HJMS123]

V8RX7 said:

significant failures / costs before 100k must hurt reputations and then the Sales / Prices of new cars

I just don't think they do that much anymore ... unfortunately!

The big OEM's are also not overly concerned how long an engine lasts outside of the warranty period.

The big german brands have established (marketed) themselves as reliable and the smaller (in particular French) have been tarnished as unreliable and that's all the majority of new car buyers go off.

[loose cannon]

most don't care anymore as they just pay a set price a month and don't need to worry about anything else,
it's the dealers then manufacturers problem if it sts itself, they will just get a replacement

[LordGrover]

Have there really been that many failures?
Admittedly mine seized at just north of 50,000 miles and a little four years old, but I couldn't find many others in the UK at the time. Toyota UK replaced the engine under warranty.

[Nickbrapp]

It might not be toyotas fault, maybe they have a part from Bosch with a dodgy batch that seezes, dumps the oil and ruins the engine?

You can't speculate really, nothing to say it's to do with reliability on this particular engine

[LordGrover]

FA20 is made by Subaru; Toyota D-4S injection system. Click

[ZesPak]

LordGrover said:

Have there really been that many failures?
Admittedly mine seized at just north of 50,000 miles and a little four years old, but I couldn't find many others in the UK at the time. Toyota UK replaced the engine under warranty.

That's a good result.
Standard 5 year warranty?

That's all that matters imho. Too many people buy on reputation alone, that's why the germans can get away with minimum warranties while other manufacturers need to up their years on the warranty.

Had discussions about this with a BMW dealer not that long ago. Calling me crazy for considering an unreliable Jag over the 5-series, yet not willing to match the warranty Jaguar offers as standard .

Edited by ZesPak on Monday 4th September 11:18

[LordGrover]

ZesPak said:

That's a good result.
Standard 5 year warranty?

Yep. Took a little to-ing and fro-ing, but agreed amicably in the end.
Mine was mapped, aftermarket exhaust and manifolds - Toyota weren't advised of this, though they never asked.

[ZesPak]

LordGrover said:

Yep. Took a little to-ing and fro-ing, but agreed amicably in the end.

Was it fairly standard? As I understand this car has a big modding scene...

[C70R]

Given that they are only 5yrs old at most, I'd have imagined that any massive engine issues would have been covered by warranty. Do you have any figures to back up this idea that it's a big issue?

[LordGrover]

ZesPak said:

LordGrover said:

Yep. Took a little to-ing and fro-ing, but agreed amicably in the end.

Was it fairly standard? As I understand this car has a big modding scene...

Mapped, aftermarket exhaust and manifolds. I didn't feel the need to volunteer this information and they never asked.

[ZesPak]

Agreed.

[Richard-390a0]

ZesPak said:

Had discussions about this with a BMW dealer not that long ago. Calling me crazy for considering an unreliable Jag over the 5-series, yet not willing to match the warranty Jaguar offers as standard

BMW & M-B are both on 3yrs/unlimited mileage warranties what does Jaguar offer over & above that then??

[ZesPak]

Richard-390a0 said:

BMW & M-B are both on 3yrs/unlimited mileage warranties what does Jaguar offer over & above that then??

Two years ago, over here, BMW was still on 2 years while Jag was already on 3.
Only changed in 2017 (in Dutch):
https://leaseautovandaag.nl/posts/929/bmw-verlengt...

Still, it's the attitude that bothered me most. Not hesitating to put in a cheap shot towards Jag (something the Jag dealer never did towards other brands), but not willing to put their empirical claims in writing.

On topic: as said, most of these cars will still be under warranty as Toyota offer 5 years on them. One that has been blown and not fixed by Toyota smells fishy. Maybe fiddled with it a bit too much to "fix the power deficiency", and warranty claim rejected?

Edited by ZesPak on Monday 4th September 11:45

[GroundEffect]

Richard-390a0 said:

ZesPak said:

Had discussions about this with a BMW dealer not that long ago. Calling me crazy for considering an unreliable Jag over the 5-series, yet not willing to match the warranty Jaguar offers as standard

BMW & M-B are both on 3yrs/unlimited mileage warranties what does Jaguar offer over & above that then??

Warranty isn't there to cover lifetime durability......