Fined for parking on own land....?

Fined for parking on own land....?

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MoggieMinor

Original Poster:

457 posts

146 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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Nothing to do do with me but I thought it worth sharing. Piece from the local paper.

When I saw the photo I thought fair enough,pay up and stop using the grass outside your house to dump your car on, parking on grass verges really winds me up. But! Its the blokes own land!

Wonder who maintains it though...

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/sta...

Jag_NE

2,995 posts

101 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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he should get it block paved or tarmac'd if he wants to park on it every day for christs sake, cars bellied up on grass verges look like a right mess and in the winter they can get churned up.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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Doesn't look much like he's been parking on that grass every day for 30 years...

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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How can the council class it as a highway when they don't own it?

bigandclever

13,801 posts

239 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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He's a shoe-in for this facebook group ... https://www.facebook.com/angrypeopleinlocalnewspap...


TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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WinstonWolf said:
How can the council class it as a highway when they don't own it?
Easily. They don't own every bit of public highway, even adopted.

PorkInsider

5,889 posts

142 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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bigandclever said:
He's a shoe-in for this facebook group ... https://www.facebook.com/angrypeopleinlocalnewspap...
He's already on there.

cbmotorsport

3,065 posts

119 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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What a total and utter waste of everyone's time.


WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
WinstonWolf said:
How can the council class it as a highway when they don't own it?
Easily. They don't own every bit of public highway, even adopted.
Under which statute?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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WinstonWolf said:
TooMany2cvs said:
WinstonWolf said:
How can the council class it as a highway when they don't own it?
Easily. They don't own every bit of public highway, even adopted.
Under which statute?
You're asking if there's a law that says local authorities don't have to own all bits of public highway?

Perhaps a better question would be to ask whether there's a law that says they DO...? (There isn't, and they don't have to.)

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
WinstonWolf said:
TooMany2cvs said:
WinstonWolf said:
How can the council class it as a highway when they don't own it?
Easily. They don't own every bit of public highway, even adopted.
Under which statute?
You're asking if there's a law that says local authorities don't have to own all bits of public highway?

Perhaps a better question would be to ask whether there's a law that says they DO...? (There isn't, and they don't have to.)
I am asking that, yes.

fido

16,813 posts

256 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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There must be a convenant on it, or else he could do what he liked with his land e.g. wall it off, pave it, park on it etc. Looks like all his neighbours have the same issue!

barryrs

4,392 posts

224 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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Isn't he causing an obstruction in visibility by parking there.

If the traffic is moving fairly quickly pulling off a neighboring driveway will be made difficult by him parking on that verge.

Aretnap

1,665 posts

152 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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WinstonWolf said:
TooMany2cvs said:
WinstonWolf said:
How can the council class it as a highway when they don't own it?
Easily. They don't own every bit of public highway, even adopted.
Under which statute?
Common law. A highway is any route over which the public have a right to pass and repass.Ownership is irrelevant. Public rights of way which go across farmers' fields are highways - the council don't on them either.

It's not uncommon for a homeowner to own a chunk of the land the carriageway is built on as well - it doesn't give them the right to block the highway.

https://www.norfolk.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/roa...

ED209

5,746 posts

245 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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If its his land can he not just fence it off and make an extra bit of driveway?

Swervin_Mervin

4,465 posts

239 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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fido said:
There must be a convenant on it, or else he could do what he liked with his land e.g. wall it off, pave it, park on it etc. Looks like all his neighbours have the same issue!
If it's adopted highway then he has no right to park there, unless there is a formal agreement to do so, which there won't be. Ownership doesn't matter a jot when it comes to adopted highway land.

Nickyboy

6,700 posts

235 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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As there is a yellow line on the road, does the restrictions on this not extend as far as the end of his drive? When i lived at home we had a similar verge until one day a pavement was built the length of the road, there were no highway markers anywhere along the road to mark the boundary edge

Kuji

785 posts

123 months

Friday 8th September 2017
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fido said:
There must be a convenant on it, or else he could do what he liked with his land e.g. wall it off, pave it, park on it etc. Looks like all his neighbours have the same issue!
I was thinking along the same lines.

If it was truly included within the usable boundary of their land, his driveway paving and shrubs would be on the pathway edge.


It wouldn't be the first time a journalist neglected to include an inconvenient bit of information in a story.


Kuji

785 posts

123 months

Friday 8th September 2017
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ED209 said:
If its his land can he not just fence it off and make an extra bit of driveway?
Only, if there is a countrywide problem of feral zombies.




MJG280

722 posts

260 months

Friday 8th September 2017
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From my experience I would say that the 'New' towns will be the only towns where the Council own the subsoil beneath the adopted highway. An adopted highway over-rides the ownership rights. The utilities can go almost as deep as they like without needing to compensate the subsoil owner

Similarly with Village Greens, ownership of the land is inconsequential as the Village Green status over-rides ownership.