RE: Mercedes-AMG Project One - Frankfurt 2017

RE: Mercedes-AMG Project One - Frankfurt 2017

Tuesday 12th September 2017

Mercedes-AMG Project One - Frankfurt 2017

F1-engined Mercedes-AMG hybrid hypercar confirmed with 'over 1,000hp' and a top speed beyond 217mph



It was only the other day we were discussing what truly counts as a racing car for the road - with its new F1-engined hybrid Project One, Mercedes-AMG would appear to have slightly moved the goalposts. Sure, there have been road cars with racing engines before, the most recent with bona fide F1 ancestry being the Ferrari F50 from 1995. Even that was 'just' a naturally-aspirated V12 from a five-year-old F1 car though - obsolete tech in F1 terms.

A current F1 engine. In a road car!
A current F1 engine. In a road car!
Not so the 1,000hp-plus Project One. Its 1.6-litre V6, the electrically-boosted turbocharger, the additional electric motors on the crank and front axle plus the associated battery cells and control systems are claimed as being one-step removed from the motor generator units powering Mercedes' recent F1 domination. Think of it as a chance to go full Hamilton on the road, minus points being you don't have Rihanna on speed dial, plus points being you don't necessarily have to be daubed head to toe in humblebragging tattoos or walk round with a jewelled nose stud. A (no hashtag) blessed relief.

At this stage the Project One is still being officially referred to as a concept but in conversation with AMG boss Tobias Moers it's clear this is the real deal - an F1-powered customer road car that genuinely pushes the hybrid hypercar boundaries to a level beyond that of the Porsche 918 Spyder, LaFerrari and McLaren P1.

We'll get to the how in a second. The 'why?' is too good to skip though. According to Moers it came about after accepting some form of electrification was going to have to feature in AMG's near-future. "Having a hypercar with another V8 or V12 with 800, 900 or whatever horsepower is not a big deal to do," he says, in typically matter of fact terms. "With electrified powertrains you gain more efficiency but you can add more performance so, taking everything together, I called Andy Cowell [Director of Mercedes-AMG High Performance Powertrains] and I said I have an idea. And I asked him, 'do you think we can put your powertrain in a street legal car?'" Moers pauses for dramatic effect. "He told me, 'give me two months!'"

Going to disappear PDQ
Going to disappear PDQ
The resulting powertrain has at its heart that F1-derived V6 motor with a 163hp electric motor (known as Motor Generator Unit Kinetic) attached to the crank, the engine spinning to 11,000rpm and further assisted by the single turbo. Or Motor Generator Unit Heat to give it the correct F1 terminology. This separates the turbines with an axle, this driven by its own 122hp electric motor to enable boost on demand and avoid what AMG describes as "dreaded turbo lag". As per the F1 car the MGU-H can also function as an exhaust-driven generator, sending additional juice to the other motors or for charging the batteries. On its own the power unit sends around 680hp to the rear wheels. At the front two further electric motors - each with 163hp and driving the axles via reduction gears - contribute to the system total of over 1,000hp and give you a fighting chance of keeping the thing on the road via the snappily titled Variable AMG Performance 4MATIC+ all-wheel drive system.

The words 'manual gearbox' rather leap off the spec sheet after that. What works for a 911 GT3 Touring is, perhaps, less appropriate for a car of the Project One's nature though and this is no H-pattern, three-pedal transmission, the eight gears shifted by paddles on the wheel or left to their own devices as you see fit.

Performance? That 'more than 217mph' claim sounds a little on the conservative side, right? We'll see about that but the promise of 0-124mph in less than six seconds is one benchmark offering some sort of comparison to the 'holy trinity' of McLaren, Ferrari and Porsche hybrid hypercars. Of these the P1's 6.8 seconds is the fastest on the boards, that the Project One could conceivably slash a second off that giving some sense of its potential.

0-124mph? Less than six seconds...
0-124mph? Less than six seconds...
"Day-to-day Formula 1 hybrid technology" is one of the catchphrases from the official release though and confirms Moers' stated intent that, for all its extreme performance, the Project One will be a viable road car. Expect an electric-only range of around 15 miles, ease of use and lack of intimidation all part of the deal. "Open the door, hit the start button, drive away. Easy!" says Moers, going on to explain how ESP and the ability to use the front motors for traction, braking and torque vectoring will mean owners can keep it on the black stuff. Lessons learned from the electric SLS and, more recently, the GT R with its race car-style traction control have been applied here.

Construction is, inevitably, carbon based and, like the Ford GT, the seats are integrated into the tub with the wheel and pedals adjustable to fit. There is a hint of race car minimalism and F1 cues like the oblong-shaped steering 'wheel' are all present and correct. But this is a car with a three-pointed star on the front and you won't be going without luxuries.

Conversation about the Project One will inevitably be dominated by the engine but there are equivalent levels of innovative engineering throughout the car, from the pushrod dampers (arranged to act as structural transverse crossmembers with roll-cancelling properties) to variable aero to complement the very obvious fixed 'shark fin' and other elements.

And they will keep tacking tablets on the dash. Tsk.
And they will keep tacking tablets on the dash. Tsk.
All well and good but how do you go about getting one? 275 are due to be built and you can bet allocation will be hard fought over, on the assumption it's not already been sorted out. How to keep the customers happy is one challenge Moers is having to face. "One challenge in this segment is who is going to have the first one!" he laughs. "If you stretch production too long perhaps customers who have to wait aren't happy. Perhaps we are going to stock the first cars so we can deliver them all at the same time, I don't know." First-world problems most of us are unlikely to be troubled by, but let's just hope a few of these cars actually see the light of day and live the dream of not just a racing car for the road but an F1 car for the road.

Grasping the nettle of going hybrid was never going to be easy for AMG. Even though we knew it was coming the reality of how it's gone about it is pretty amazing.

 

 

 

 

 

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redroadster

Original Poster:

1,752 posts

233 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Not blown away by looks I'm sure it's plenty quick enough but is it much better than Porsche spider hybrid

BlackPrince

1,271 posts

170 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Impressive tech but this new crop of turbo-V6 hypercars (Ford GT and now this) don't excite the loins as much as cars of yore. And from a customer's perspective isn't that the point? Perhaps not though, as most of these cars will either a) be stored in a temperature-controlled garage forever or b) driven slowly round Monaco or Knightsbridge and so the looks are all that matter.


I understand we're in a different era now, and I'm no antediluvian, but what a change from this:



to this Koenigsegg-lookalike with Huracanesque headlamps:



At least the Ford GT looks striking and menacing, from certain angles.

Blayney

2,948 posts

187 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Well I guess it will stop the F1 boys complaining that the safety car is going too slowly!

Absolutely nuts... I love that they even thought of putting the F1 engine in a road car. Can't imagine Honda will be doing that...

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Impressive but I prefer the "old" technology of the Aston Valkyrie

Blayney

2,948 posts

187 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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https://youtu.be/du8h0Rs6Hp0

LH put this on his social media.

I like the garage of AMG at the start.


BigGingerBob

1,701 posts

191 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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4 post and people are already complaining about a road car with an F1 engine in?! What's the world coming to?
Utter madness, glad AMG still have a sense of humour

Rich_W

12,548 posts

213 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Fails the "take the badge off and can you tell what brand it is" test


I'd expect even a nod to the current MB range with regards to the grille. Like the CLK GTR above.

Can someone Photoshop on a AMG GTR grille and lights?




wab172uk

2,005 posts

228 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Have they poached the 918 designer?

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Blayney said:
I love that they even thought of putting the F1 engine in a road car..
Pssst, don't tell anybody, but it's not really an F1 engine........ ;-)

kambites

67,602 posts

222 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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It's obviously not exactly the same unit, but it would be fascinating to know how much it actually shares with the F1 engine.

Of course the other question is what it weighs. If it's more than about a tonne, one has to feel it's rather a pointless exercise.

RushDom

230 posts

95 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Looks like a Sauber C9/C11 and a McLaren F1 merged together...performance sounds staggering though.

ZX10R NIN

27,648 posts

126 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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It sounds awesome but I can't help but feel that I'd rather have a Zonda 760RS than this.

p1stonhead

25,584 posts

168 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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I’ll take that mental Aston Martin instead please.

In what way is this not actually an F1 engine coz I don’t believe for second that it actually is.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Absolutely love it.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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kambites said:
It's obviously not exactly the same unit, but it would be fascinating to know how much it actually shares with the F1 engine.

The number of cylinders and the V layout.......

chris333

1,034 posts

240 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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It's a bit "generic hypercar" isn't it.

Evilex

512 posts

105 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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[Cough] 'Ring time attempt? [/cough]

Jinba Ittai

563 posts

92 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Absolutely love it.
Ditto. I love the styling. Much better than I thought it would look.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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"... you won't be going without luxuries"
Indeed - they've even integrated little funnels into the seats for when you get caught short in a traffic jam on the M5.

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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So it's a 1600cc engine which develops silly power. Fine. But needs a rebuild every 30k. What the fk does that cost? I hate it smile