RE: MG ZT-T 260: PH Carpool

RE: MG ZT-T 260: PH Carpool

Monday 13th November 2017

MG ZT-T 260: PH Carpool

This PHer needed a sensible and practical family estate, so what better than a V8 MG?



Name: AntB
Car: MG ZT-T 260
Owned since: November 2011
Previously owned: various Sheds (including one which ran on old chip fat), Vauxhall VX220, Peugeot 205 GTI 1.6, the world's fastest beige Morris Traveller. Two more Morris Travellers. Wow, very few cars. I guess that's what training to be an architect does - endless years spent walking to and from uni, so fewer cars needed.

See, look, this is large and practical...
See, look, this is large and practical...
Why I bought it:
"I needed a 'practical dad' car (as my 1.9 diesel Volvo V40 was clearly not a practical car) and it was the car that I was told to buy by the other members of type116.com. It's their fault. They prevented me from buying something I would have felt ambivalent about, though for this, I suppose begrudgingly, they should receive praise."

What I wish I'd known:
"That British Leyland never stopped expecting the owners of their products to be the Beta Testers."

Things I love:
"Where to start? The noise. The sleeper-ness. The fact that it's the last of the prototype cars; so that much more special. The fact that it is far faster than it ought to be. That it makes so many other people smile.

Rare, handsome, fast, interesting - the list goes on!
Rare, handsome, fast, interesting - the list goes on!
"What else? Loads. I did about 250 miles in far less time than it ought to have taken once and (obviously) it took the same time as Google Maps will tell you it took, but if it didn't perhaps I reached the destination feeling like I'd had a fantastic drive, but also like I could do the whole thing again The interior is really nice and has aged very well. It's incredibly comfortable and an excellent place to spend time.

"I also really like the fact that MG Rover did so much with so little. Many people blame this version of this model for MG Rover going down in flames owing to the amount of money it consumed, even though this was buttons in the context of what most manufacturers spend on development. What they managed to create is a car which inspires feeling like no other, aside possibly for one whose badge has an image on it of a man being eaten by a snake. Pretty good work for a bunch of penniless Brits in a shed they can't afford to own."

Things I hate:
"The fact that a well-known supplier owns all the parts and that their customer service is appalling. That's it basically. It's broken down (all the TADTS things) in spectacular fashion in the past (French autoroute with my wife and 11-month-old son, in the rain, on a Friday afternoon anyone?) and I still can't but forgive it all its foibles."

You'll be lucky to see more than 20mpg though
You'll be lucky to see more than 20mpg though
Costs:
"Why would you want to know that? If I'd wanted to know the answer to that question I wouldn't have bought it, so why would anyone else need to know that?

"The book mpg is 17-24. If you factor in that you're not likely to get into the 20s then you'll get the ownership. On the plus side, this makes driving any other car an exercise in missing spending time in petrol stations. As it's coming up for sale I ought to warn prospective owners that if you can think of anything that might break that doesn't come on a standard Rover 75 then the chances are that they only ever made 883 of them (the entire production run of the car) so it's brilliant news that the owners' club is now having bits made. Have a need for a set of rear brakes, front dampers, a new diff and anything else transmission-related and you might get quite upset if you don't go through the owners' club. Thankfully these have all been fixed under my ownership, so it's probably cheaper to run now than a new Micra. Perhaps."

Where I've been:
"Tut. Mainly to meetings for work. Europe. It's ferried me to various track days and gave everyone at a Javelin track day at Goodwood a chuckle. The old girl looked hilarious leaving the pits. If ever there was a motor that could do a turn as a fat girl in a big dress hitching it up to go for a sprint after an ice cream van then it's this car.

"To my embarrassment shortly after baby number one was born we had heavy snowfall and it took me to Sainsbury's to pick up some baby feed (honestly). I may have wuffled into an abandoned and heavily snow-covered area of the car park to pull some donuts that day. Possibly, but also perhaps not obviously."

Will it stay? Will it go? Who knows?!
Will it stay? Will it go? Who knows?!
What next?
"Urgh. Yes, the prospect of baby number three (and the presence prior to the children of a beagle who needs something as transport) means that I need something with seven seats; did you know you can order a Model S with two jump seats in the back? No? Impressed me as well. Also, with a range of between 200 and 300 miles between fill-ups I am sure I can cope with a car that manages the same between charges. Actually, with the possibility of home-charging I'm less likely to start every trip to a meeting with a trip to a petrol station. The other prospect is keeping the car, or buying something that doesn't need so many fill-ups, and driving my wife's diesel Verso which is not something I can entertain. Versos are hateful."


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griffo71

Original Poster:

29 posts

52 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Well written
Nice car. Good work!

DBRacingGod

461 posts

120 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Top scripting and top motoring right there. Ace.

W12AAM

12 posts

9 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Great cars, these.
I had two of them, in the past (Car No. 79 and Car No. 125 - Both MK1 Saloons) & used them everyday with no problems (apart from replacing the fuel clip on one of them).
A lot of people never knew these cars existed?....And fitted with X-Power exhausts or Zero's - They are a "Pipe & Slippers 75",with a pure "Bullitt soundtrack"
Would love another & around £10k or less, still buys quite a nice one.

AmosMoses

2,806 posts

93 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Endlessly cool these, just needs a big supercharger!

AntB

20 posts

163 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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W12AAM said:
Would love another & around £10k or less, still buys quite a nice one.
Quite a lot less than £10k buys a nice one if you read through the advert quickly wink

edit: says the person selling the car tongue out

Edited by AntB on Monday 13th November 11:06

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dme123

3,890 posts

117 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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If you're looking for the ability to get three child seats in the back but without some stupid MPV or SUV then a Volvo V70 can do it. I had the same issue and in the end got a T5. I suspect the newer model can manage too, as an XC60 can, and a T6 could be fun?

JMF894

2,402 posts

83 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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dme123 said:
If you're looking for the ability to get three child seats in the back but without some stupid MPV or SUV then a Volvo V70 can do it. I had the same issue and in the end got a T5. I suspect the newer model can manage too, as an XC60 can, and a T6 could be fun?
You can do it with MK1 Octavia vRS if you piss about long enough........................................

AntB

20 posts

163 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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The irksome thing is that accountant- maths has aligned with my man-maths. A Model S bought through my company appears to be a win- win arrangement.

Also, they are very, very shiny things. Which wins points with me.

giveitfish

3,001 posts

142 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Nice write-up! I had no. 97 for 2 years and 30k miles. Wasn't cheap or hassle-free but it was enjoyable and I miss it lots.

I'll just leave this here



Edited by giveitfish on Monday 13th November 13:34

culpz

3,397 posts

40 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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They're certainly rare beasts, these. I've never really been one for MG products, but i've always liked the look of the ZT, especially the estate version. Add a V8 engine in there and you're definitely onto a winner! A really cool car, IMO biggrin

Prawnboy

1,325 posts

75 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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A 50K mile one was on the trader a few months ago but sold before i rang. so annoying.

2 of the estates on my list have stories this week, someone is rubbing my nose into not ending up with a V8.....damn it

great write up.

Prawnboy

1,325 posts

75 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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JMF894 said:
dme123 said:
If you're looking for the ability to get three child seats in the back but without some stupid MPV or SUV then a Volvo V70 can do it. I had the same issue and in the end got a T5. I suspect the newer model can manage too, as an XC60 can, and a T6 could be fun?
You can do it with MK1 Octavia vRS if you piss about long enough........................................
also the e class come with seats in the boot- for another V8

hothead50

13 posts

5 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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W12AAM

12 posts

9 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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hothead50 said:
With "monogram paint" (around £2000) + all other extras, It would have been nearer £40,000 brand new for the SE.
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However; The M5 & something similar would have been a lot more...and had MG Rover then gone onto full manufacture of the 385bhp (Only 1 ever officially produced) and then "The M5 beating" 550bhp versions (circa £45,000) - It would have been a real Q-Car bargain! (If you ignored the fact that the model was getting a little old and the company was probably going to go bust!).

Most 260 SE cars were sold heavily discounted for around the £27,000....And after MG Rover folded, for under £20,000 (brand new) - Even less for the Non-SE models.

For all the anger against the "Phoenix-four", who under John Towers bought MG-Rover off BMW for £10 in 2000, they not only introduced the 260 V8; Kept the Rover 75 + Rover brand going; But also all the Z range (inc. ZR, ZS, ZT) + Bought Qvale, to produce the XPower SV + Invested into Lola and raced at Le Mans + also kept nearly 7000 British workers employed for another 5 years.

Just a shame Labour couldn't find some money to bail it out when it all came to a crash at the end.
Still feel sorry for the workers & a loss to nearly 100 years of motor manufacturing in the UK.
And yes; I know "we" bailed out BL for many years with ALL its strikes etc. - But towards the end, it was actually making some good products on very little ££.
Put it this way; If it were a French car company, It would still be here today...& we might still be buying a genuine British made, British owned product - And not Anglo-Indian or Anglo-Japanese.


skylarking808

120 posts

14 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Saw a silver estate T260 being serviced in the Rover dealership where my dad worked many years ago.

It seemed an interesting car, and the pony badge on the engine felt like it was some kind of special ops Rover car.
The mechanics I spoke to were not particularly complimentary however!

AntB

20 posts

163 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Thanks so much for being so kind about my car all.

Can you believe it's for sale? And at such a reasonable price too!

I'm also glad that my ramblings came across so well also :lol:

itcaptainslow

1,954 posts

64 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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I really, truly, bloody miss mine. It's one of the few cars I get properly emotional about. Worse still that I sold it to a mate-he's taking superb care of it and loving it like I would, but seeing him drive it is like him shagging the ex you have a soft spot for. Pow right in the feels...

Objectively, it's actually not that great, a bit crap in fact. For a sports saloon it's slow, doesn't handle compared to a 3-Series (although it's not bad), horrendous on fuel, the engineering whilst ingenious at times is also backwards at others and I used to live in constant fear of something unavailable exploding. It's like a Spitfire compared to the M3's Eurofighter Typhoon.

But yet...which one of those planes will people point at, go misty eyed over and just stand and mouth "Wow" when they hear it? Which one was built by ruddy faced men full of ginger beer, in a shed, for 80p using old chisels housed in a beaten up toolbox? Which one would the public flock to see on a sunny Sunday morning?

The ZT V8 was my automotive Spitfire and one day, I will probably buy "mine" back.

Edited by itcaptainslow on Monday 13th November 18:13

kambites

53,925 posts

149 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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5k mile service intervals? I thought these unstressed V8s could run forever without any sort of attention?

Lovely thing though. Someone at work had the Rover version for a while and hearing that noise coming from that car never failed to raise a smile.

itcaptainslow

1,954 posts

64 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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kambites said:
5k mile service intervals? I thought these unstressed V8s could run forever without any sort of attention?

Lovely thing though. Someone at work had the Rover version for a while and hearing that noise coming from that car never failed to raise a smile.
Apparently that interval was set by Ford when selling the engine to MG Rover-the only way they'd warrant the engine allegedly. It's an oil service every 5k with the rest of the service items due far less frequently; I can't remember when unfortunately. Strangely enough though the diff oil wasn't due frequent changes (just after running in from memory!) but could really do with it!

Bill

37,013 posts

183 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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giveitfish said:
I'll just leave this here
I see that, and raise you a supercharger...

https://youtu.be/bQOlGryDcJs