RE: PH Service History: Awards Season

RE: PH Service History: Awards Season

Sunday 26th November 2017

PH Service History: Awards Season

Some distinctly PH-y winners at the What Car? Used Car Awards have got Scrof thinking



Rarely do the worlds of PH and What Car? meet, but right now is one such joyous time, as our sister title has just revealed the winners of its Used Car of the Year Awards for 2018.


I won't bore you with the family hatchbacks and superminis that dot the less performance-orientated categories (though we'll chuck in an honourable mention for the Seat Leon, which takes the Used Car of the Year award partly because it's cracking value and jolly good fun to drive).

However, up at the fruitier end of the spectrum, there are some interesting winners - most notably of all, the first-gen Audi R8, which takes the What Car? Used Sports Car of the Year award.

Now, as a seasoned PHer, you'll know the first-gen R8 as a bit of a controversial car (first to shout 'it's just a big TT' gets a medal for Most Obvious Comment). But for the most part, R8 owners love their cars, and so does What Car?, with the R8 beating the W212 Mercedes E63 AMG and Porsche's 987 Cayman to the award.

Is it really a supercar? Discuss. It looks like one, and feels like one, but for some it won't be quite fast enough. Whichever way you swing, a first-gen R8 is bloody good fun to drive. The V10 is probably the more spine-tingling of the two cars, but a V8 manual is still a true delight, with a rev-happy engine, communicative steering, exceptional high-speed stability and, of course, grip and traction to spare.


And we haven't even talked price yet. Despite everything it has going for it, you can now pick up an early R8 V8 with decent mileage and history for under £40,000 - this one is just £37,000. And while I use the word 'just' cautiously there, I can't help but feel that R8s are getting close to their minimum values, which I suspect they'll bump along at for a few years before taking off again once numbers thin out a little. All the more reason to get in now before that happens.

Can't stretch to the R8? Fear not, because at the other end of the scale sits the Used Hot Hatch of the Year award, in which all three nominees can now be had for less than £10,000.

You wouldn't sniff at either of the runners-up for the prices they tend to go for - the FN2 Honda Civic Type R starts from around £4,500 for a good'un, while a solid Mk5 Golf GTI will set you back a scratch more.

But the eventual winner of the award is newer, smaller and pricier than both of those cars. "It had better be good, then," I hear you say. Fortunately, it is: it's the Ford Fiesta ST which, as you'll know, we're big fans of here on PH.


The unexpected thing about a used Fiesta ST, mind you, is that it isn't quite the billy bargain you'd expect. Strong demand has kept prices reasonably buoyant, meaning a year-old example will still set you back at least £13,000, while even the earliest STs are only just dipping below the £10,000 mark. When you consider the ST was listed at £17,000-ish new, with hefty discounts meaning many were sold for rather less, that means it hasn't actually lost a huge proportion of its value; in other words, the fastest Fiesta isn't quite the depreciation-happy bargain most used Fords end up being.

Then again, if you're going to shell out ten large or more on a small hot hatch, you'll probably want it to hold on to as much of that as it can. Either way, it doesn't matter: the ST is such a hoot that it doesn't have to be super-cheap to be easy to recommend used. It's that rare thing nowadays: a proper little hooligan of a car that eschews modern conventions (must be automatic, must be five-doors, because that's what people want) in favour of raw driving thrills. It's endowed with an engine that manages to be both a low-end slugger and a rev-happy screamer and a suspension setup that is, I'll grant you, more than a touch on the firm side, but gives it a sense of darting eagerness that few, if any, can match.

So there you have it - the PH-iest pair from the What Car? Used Car Awards. But if you fancy finding out what else has won, you can do so on the spangly dedicated microsite - I'm not sure what's 'micro' about it, but there we go - right here.

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xjay1337

Original Poster:

10,870 posts

52 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Fiesta ST is an awesome car for sure.

If you can live with the yoof-ish image!

rockin

5,796 posts

179 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Most manufacturers try hard to make their saloons and SUVs look like sportscars.

Audi has a unique ability to make its sportscars look like saloons and SUVs.

sidesauce

791 posts

152 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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So tell us all please - which saloon or SUV in Audi's range does the R8 look like?

DevonPaul

652 posts

71 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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I was looking at early R8s late 2012/early 2013 when I bought the Maser.

Back then the cheapest ones were just over £40k, so not a lot of difference at the bottom of the market in that time. About the same money were F360, closely followed by F355s, but the practicality of 4 seats won out.

Lundqvist

98 posts

61 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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As good as the Fiesta ST is, surely anyone with 10k looking for a used hot hatch would be taking a Renaultsport Megane over one?
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xjay1337

Original Poster:

10,870 posts

52 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Lundqvist said:
As good as the Fiesta ST is, surely anyone with 10k looking for a used hot hatch would be taking a Renaultsport Megane over one?
The Fiesta is at least somewhat refined, pretty practical and not made of cheese and more reliable.

captain_cynic

3,366 posts

29 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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sidesauce said:
So tell us all please - which saloon or SUV in Audi's range does the R8 look like?
It looks like an uglier TT.

Considering it's cousin, the Gallardo looks much better opting for an R8 is like refusing a date with Eiza Gonzales to take out her less attractive cousin with the wonky eye and buck teeth.

xjay1337

Original Poster:

10,870 posts

52 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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captain_cynic said:
sidesauce said:
So tell us all please - which saloon or SUV in Audi's range does the R8 look like?
It looks like an uglier TT.

Considering it's cousin, the Gallardo looks much better opting for an R8 is like refusing a date with Eiza Gonzales to take out her less attractive cousin with the wonky eye and buck teeth.
Considering it's many tens of thousands of pounds cheaper than the Gallardo you can't really complain.

In my opinion it doesn't look like a TT at all.
But either way, the TT isn't a saloon.

captain_cynic

3,366 posts

29 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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xjay1337 said:
Considering it's many tens of thousands of pounds cheaper than the Gallardo you can't really complain.
So when you pull up at the lights, everyone knows you couldn't afford the Gallardo. For £40,000, there are better cars.

xjay1337

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10,870 posts

52 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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What would you buy?

culpz

3,893 posts

46 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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xjay1337 said:
Lundqvist said:
As good as the Fiesta ST is, surely anyone with 10k looking for a used hot hatch would be taking a Renaultsport Megane over one?
The Fiesta is at least somewhat refined, pretty practical and not made of cheese and more reliable.
That's incorrect, on all accounts.

The Megane 250/265/275's are extremely reliable. They really don't have many common faults at all. They're definitely not made out of cheese.

The Megane is a coupe but bigger, with it being in the segment above, so it's probably more practical, if we're talking about comparing it to a 3dr ST. The refinement is similar too and i wouldn't say either gains anything there.

You did manage to cover most of the typical french car stereotypes though, so well done for that wink

xjay1337

Original Poster:

10,870 posts

52 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Given I actually own a Fiesta, and a friend of mine actually owns a Megane sport 250, from spending time in, and driving both, I know what car I'd rather live with day to day.

I also know what car I would rather cane round a track.

(PS , they are different)



both are great cars but build quality in the Renault is shocking in my personal view and I'd rather live day to day with the Fiesta ST. It's also a lo more rattley, and generally feels more tinny.

Besides they are not direct comparison as the Fiesta is a class down from the Megane in terms of size etc.


culpz

3,893 posts

46 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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xjay1337 said:
Given I actually own a Fiesta, and a friend of mine actually owns a Megane sport 250, from spending time in, and driving both, I know what car I'd rather live with day to day.

I also know what car I would rather cane round a track.

(PS , they are different)



both are great cars but build quality in the Renault is shocking in my personal view and I'd rather live day to day with the Fiesta ST. It's also a lo more rattley, and generally feels more tinny.

Besides they are not direct comparison as the Fiesta is a class down from the Megane in terms of size etc.
You own a Zetec-S/ST-Line though, do you not? I'd say that's a bit pointless, in that case, as the MK7 ST is a different kettle of fish.

Day to day: Fiesta
Track: Megane

All IMO, obviously.

Either of the above can be switched around, but the Megane can be a decent daily but comes alive on track. That's what i'm trying to get at. The Fiesta is great at the boring stuff and the track too, but i reckon the Megane is 100% the one to have for the track. It's really at home there.

Yes, different classes of cars. Excuse the French and the incoming pun, but saying that the Megane is made out of cheese does grate on me. It's a nice place to sit, in my eyes. The MK3 has come along way from the the MK2 225, which i'd agree was very flimsy and prone to breaking a fair bit.

xjay1337

Original Poster:

10,870 posts

52 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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You are totally right. Megane for track. Fiesta as the daily driver .
That is my thought too.

I do have a Mk7.5 ST line correct. I was just assuming that if I add 15% to the handling / performance it would be close enough. The Fiesta is a wonderful car to drive and has excellent balance.