RE: Shed(s) of the Week: BMW 5 Series x2

RE: Shed(s) of the Week: BMW 5 Series x2

Friday 1st December 2017

Shed(s) of the Week: BMW 5 Series x2

A pair of six-cylinder E39s for your Shed selection this week - which to have?!



This isn't something that BMW makes much of a fuss about, but some of the company's most enduring designs were created by a clever chap from Tokyo.


Joji Nagashima was the quiet man behind no less than four BMWs, three of which were the Z3, the E36 and the E90. He did some pretty interesting stuff before joining BMW, too. Next time you put your windscreen wipers on to intermittent, tip your hat to Joji, because he invented that in 1964.

Arguably his greatest work was the E39 5 Series. Signed off in 1992 by gnomic, notebook-toting beardmeister Chris Bangle, the purposeful and chiselled E39 was beautiful in 1995 and still looks fresh now. That's all the more impressive when you realise that the E39 development process began way back in the mid-1980s.

The last E39 saloon was built in 2003, and a 530 petrol from that year is one of this week's Sheds. We say 'one of' because today we're giving you a bonus Five in the shape of another petrol six, a 2001 525, and at the end of this we'll be inviting you to pick your favourite.


The ongoing debate as to which is the 'best' E39 is getting muddied by the withering effects of time and the inevitable downward slide of owners' experiences. However, while most E39s have been to the moon by now, and many have made the return journey too, these two have somehow stayed on planet Earth, mileage wise. The E39 is a reasonably easy DIY maintenance prospect, with many OE parts being surprisingly affordable, so ownership of either of these specimens could satisfy even the most curmudgeonly.

Refreshingly, neither vendor is a graduate of the 'exclamation mark' school of ad writing. The 525 is described as 'not a bad car', while the 530 is equally quietly described as 'very original'. Both cars have reassuringly empty-looking MoT histories. It's good to see big faults on MoTs as long as they've been put right, and that seems to be the case with the 525 which was showing ABS and stability control warning lights at its last MOT in March. On the assumption that it's the faults rather than the warning lights that have been fixed, that's two potentially expensive sources of worry we can forget about - for the time being, at least.


In the electrical department, Bosch ABS modules are known for going. Also check the sunroof for noise, the windows for clunk, the door/boot locks for smooth operation, and the dash display for missing pixels. An illuminated SRS light could be a faulty passenger seat occupancy sensor, while the seat adjustment motors can go west, along with the fans for the heating/AC and the alternator.

Under the bonnet, E39 liquids may try to escape through leaky cam covers, oil filter gaskets and power steering systems, radiator cracks or perished hoses. More natural liquids will try to get into the boot lid, so check the floor for damp.

Internal engine woes may or may not include failed crank and camshaft position sensors, busted water pump impellers, problems with the PCV (crankcase ventilation valve), leaking injectors and failing piston seals in the VANOS variable valve timing system, normally indicated by an offbeat rattle at idle and dodgy engine running at lower rpm.


On the chassis side, E39 handbrakes don't always do much, and a poorly-aligned E39 can quickly chomp through the insides of its back tyres. Of these two cars, the pokier 530 is more likely to suffer from that.

If the steering wheel seems a bit wobbly at moderate A-road speeds then you've got a dose of 5 Series shimmy. This is an odd manifestation that not many seem to understand. Every man and his dog will tell you of a 'cure' - anti-roll bar bushes and drop links, upper and lower track control arms, steering boxes, bent rims and warped brake discs have all been tarred as the culprits - but you might have to try a few of these suggestions before you find the one that makes it go away.


This may seem like a frightening tally of trouble, but half-fullers will see it more as a reflection of the enormous amount of experience that's been built up around a warmly-regarded car that's seen as well worth looking after. When there's not much knowledge floating around about a given car, that could be because it hardly ever breaks down, but frankly it's more likely to be because owners haven't loved it enough to find ways to keep it going.

So, which of these two would you have? It's a harder choice than you might think. You can't split them on MoT length, as both tests fall due within a day of each other in mid-March. The 525 has a slightly smaller mileage on its clock, and a smaller price, but the leggier 530 is two years younger, comes from the last year of E39 manufacture and has a near-complete full BMW service history. Plus it has a 30 on its bootlid rather than a 25. That number alone could be enough to justify the £1,500 price tag.

Here's the ad for the 525i.

Not a bad car...drives very well PLEASE CALL BEFORE TRAVELLING AS NOT ALL CARS ARE KEPT ON SITE Air Conditioning, Front & Rear Parking Sensors, Leather Upholstery, Accoustic Parking (front & rear), Electric Mirrors, Electric Windows, Cruise Control, Central Locking

And here's the ad for the 530i.

A very original E39 
BMW FSH to 106,000
Factory Extras include:
Comfort Seats with lumbar
Glass Sunroof
Split/fold Rear seats
MOT to 20 March 2018

Author
Discussion

Bencolem

Original Poster:

442 posts

175 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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The 530i all day long, those comfort seats are fantastic, in fact the whole car looks lovely.

Mr Tidy

6,927 posts

63 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Such fantastic looking cars!

It would have to be the 530 for me - those seats look so comfy compared to the flat looking items in the 525i, it's got a sun-roof, and a better badge on the boot. (Split fold seats are pretty rare too, even if you never need them)! What's not to like?

Now I just need to convince myself I don't need one! laugh

keith2.2

594 posts

131 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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We had a 2003 530i M-Sport. It was ruddy fantastic.

I still fondly remember the smell of the interior, weirdly.

This has gone and made me want one..

CDP

5,576 posts

190 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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I've always loved the styling on these and cylinders are always best arranged in neat rows of six...

For me it would have to be the 530 - it's faster, no less economical.

Also in the case of these two cars, the seats look quite worn in the blue car.

alorotom

5,249 posts

123 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Sweet baby Jesus ... is this dross the best shed can come up with ... its nearly Christmas and you come here dousing our dreams of lovely sheds in petrol and then take a blow torch to them.

Actually I’ll have some of that petrol and the torch, it’ll come in useful for ridding the world of 2 more awful E39s ... (not that these are any worse than any other E39)

Ahm Ooot
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Triumph Man

5,467 posts

104 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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alorotom said:
Sweet baby Jesus ... is this dross the best shed can come up with ... its nearly Christmas and you come here dousing our dreams of lovely sheds in petrol and then take a blow torch to them.

Actually I’ll have some of that petrol and the torch, it’ll come in useful for ridding the world of 2 more awful E39s ... (not that these are any worse than any other E39)

Ahm Ooot
Oh do fk off, we get it, you had a bad one. They aren't all bad.

The 530i is suspiciously equivalent to mine, silver, sunroof, comfort seats, split fold rear seat, so yes, of course I'd say that one is better! Mine is manual just to be slightly different!

alorotom

5,249 posts

123 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Triumph Man said:
Oh do fk off, we get it, you had a bad one. They aren't all bad.
And here was me thinking this was an open forum for open posts based on personal experience and opinion ...

Get a grip ... it’s a good thing that we don’t all have the same opinion, experiences, outlook, blah blah blah

Oilchange

5,182 posts

196 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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I had one, it was a base model but went ok, would have kept it if my Dr hadn’t diagnosed terminal boredom. It was crap on fuel as well, I’m talking low 20’s mpg

SidewaysSi

4,807 posts

170 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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alorotom said:
Triumph Man said:
Oh do fk off, we get it, you had a bad one. They aren't all bad.
And here was me thinking this was an open forum for open posts based on personal experience and opinion ...

Get a grip ... it’s a good thing that we don’t all have the same opinion, experiences, outlook, blah blah blah
Why don't you rate them?

Bangbox

4 posts

56 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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It seems Robert Kearns patented intermittent wipers in 1964, not Nagashima who would have been nine years old at the time. Nagashima later attended Wayne State University where Kearns was a professor, hence the connection. Apparently Kearns had a huge licensing battle with the big US car firms and there is even a film about it - one for the Christmas Stocking maybe...

Hairymonster

348 posts

41 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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530 all day. Mileage difference is insignificant and comfort seats plus extra grunt swing the deal.

I might extend the search for a manual gearbox though.

Triumph Man

5,467 posts

104 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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alorotom said:
Triumph Man said:
Oh do fk off, we get it, you had a bad one. They aren't all bad.
And here was me thinking this was an open forum for open posts based on personal experience and opinion ...

Get a grip ... it’s a good thing that we don’t all have the same opinion, experiences, outlook, blah blah blah
Yes, but it's the fact that on pretty much every thread about the E39 you pipe up spouting that they are all awful and go wrong all the time. Perhaps add why? I do recall actually asking you once...

Triumph Man

5,467 posts

104 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Hairymonster said:
530 all day. Mileage difference is insignificant and comfort seats plus extra grunt swing the deal.

I might extend the search for a manual gearbox though.
I think there's a couple of 530i sports on ebay with a manual box, but not at shed money! The odd SE pops up with one, but not often.

Thank god one of the sheds isn't a V8, not sure we could all cope with reigniting the rack vs box debate!!

Cambs_Stuart

326 posts

20 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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I think the 530 looks a good, solid traditional luxury shed. It'll need attention if it was used as a daily but I think you could run it for a couple of years and even if the worst happened you'd get a significant lump of cash back if you sold it for spares.

soad

29,211 posts

112 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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530i has a fairly short MOT?

Dannbodge

1,447 posts

57 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Love a facelifted E39.
If I needed a shed, it would have to be a E39.

When my dad decides to get rid of his (530d, one owner, 80k and BMW FSH) I might have to have it off him.

helix402

4,035 posts

118 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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“Most E39s have been to the moon by now”

Dear Pistonheads please don’t write nonsense in your articles. Moon is approx 238000 miles form earth. Most E39s haven’t done that distance. Happy Shedding. My E46 has been to the moon-247000m.

Maldini35

1,856 posts

124 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Bangbox said:
It seems Robert Kearns patented intermittent wipers in 1964, not Nagashima who would have been nine years old at the time. Nagashima later attended Wayne State University where Kearns was a professor, hence the connection. Apparently Kearns had a huge licensing battle with the big US car firms and there is even a film about it - one for the Christmas Stocking maybe...
Proper PH reply this

Top work

Lotusgone

106 posts

63 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Even though my 540 went for project money after the radiator failed, I would have another E39, preferably manual. It is the classic shed, and given the car park dents my current regular ride is accumulating, has been given serious consideration. Thanks to Shed for a very useful checklist.

CaptainRAVE

339 posts

48 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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One of the best aging cars. Still look great.