RE: PH Service History: Caddy Shack

RE: PH Service History: Caddy Shack

Sunday 17th December 2017

PH Service History: Caddy Shack

The rare sight of a Cadillac CTS-V for sale sends Scrof off on a hunt for some 'proper' American cars



Don't you just love it when you find a bit of a unicorn for sale in the classifieds? I've managed it this morning. Only problem is, I still can't decide whether this is a unicorn I should really be getting excited about.


It's this Cadillac CTS-V. A 2016 car, it's done just 2500 miles, which makes it about as 'nearly new' as it gets. And crikey, it does look good, doesn't it? If ever there was a car for the person who wanted something a little different to the... ahem... 'usual' M5 / E63 / RS6 crowd, this has to be it. This CTS-V actually would have the legs on any of the above contemporaries in terms of outright power, and while it isn't the most focussed thing in the world to drive, it's still a right old hoot - as you'd expect from anything throwing 649hp at the back end.

All sounds good so far, doesn't it? There are, however, a couple of problems. Firstly, it's a left-hooker - as indeed were all of the handful of CTS-Vs that were sent over to the UK officially. And secondly, you'll have to go without a vital organ for a bit in order to be able to afford it. At a fiver shy of £60,000, it's fabulously expensive - especially when you bear in mind you can nobble a BMW M5 Competition Pack of similar age and mileage, from a main dealer, for a whopping £12,000 or so less.


You might try and justify the extra the Caddy demands though. It's a bona fide chunk of American muscle, one that manages to be a genuinely capable super-saloon in the modern era, without having to reference past glories. But try as I might, I can't quite make that justification stretch to twelve large. Better to stick with the Bimmer, then. Or choose something more sensibly priced from the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Handily, there's quite a surfeit of desirable US tin kicking around the classifieds. And because Ford very considerately started importing Mustangs officially a couple of years ago, if you want something that's already built to UK spec and ready to go, it's the obvious choice. Sure, it doesn't have the firepower of the CTS-V, but with its snorting engine and loose tail it has all the hallmarks of a traditional American muscle car - albeit one that comes with all the modern trimmings you could wish for.


Some of us were secretly hoping values would take a dive off a cliff so that we could afford one sooner, especially as it's such a niche car, but current owners will be pleased to note that it seems demand is holding up - and so, therefore, are prices. The cheapest current-gen V8 we've got listed at the moment, for example, is a slightly leggy First Edition car going for £32k; my money, however, would go on this 'standard' GT with more reasonable miles for similar cash.

While rummaging in the Mustang classifieds, I was a little surprised to note just how cheap a classic example can be had for these days. This utterly lovely '66 289 in rare Emberglo, complete with the Pony interior and power steering, is yours for £16k - great value, I reckon, given how pricey some other classics are, and especially if it's as original as it sounds. The paintwork isn't the greatest, but if the rest of the car is up together, it's worth spending money on a respray; you'll still end up with a cheap Mustang with fresh paint and a beautiful interior, which sounds like a good deal to me.


If that's still too rich for your blood, you'll be glad to know you can get into some genuinely desirable American tin for even less than £10,000. There's actually a surprising amount of eighties and nineties metal around at this price, but of course, much of it is toot. Some might argue that this Chevrolet Camaro Z28 is, too, but I'd disagree. For all their flabbiness, there's something ineffably cool about these third-gen Camaros (and their Firebird twins), and while 233hp is, frankly, laughable from a 5.0-litre V8, when European manufacturers were making 3.5-litre sixes kicking out 50hp more, it's still got enough shove to be entertaining. Lairy handling in the wet and a harsh ride are downsides, but when you're rolling up at high school in this baby, you just won't give a damn. Er, or something. This one ticks all the right boxes, and while the price is strong, the low mileage, immaculate condition and full history might justify it.

But I'll end with something completely different. After all, what round-up of American motors would be complete without some sort of pick-up? Now, I'm not really one for your common-or-garden F150 myself, but I can get behind this glorious 1960 Chevy El Camino. With those jet-age bulges and graphics running down the outsides of the bed, and the preposterous fins that arch across the tail like a pair of chromed wings, it's hilariously overblown for a utility vehicle, but for me that's just part of the appeal. With the 5.7-litre V8 fitted to this car, an El Camino of this generation was capable of cracking 60mph from a standstill in seven seconds - not half bad for a pickup dating from 1960. And the best part is this cracking old thing can be yours for around a third of the price of that CTS-V, leaving change to spare for a daily. I know which I'd rather have.

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AndySheff

Original Poster:

5,702 posts

135 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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My new toy. Being UK registered at the mo.

wormus

9,045 posts

131 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Imagine meeting this at the traffic lights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR4wDPfsmZ0


WhiteBaron

1,177 posts

154 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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AndySheff said:


My new toy. Being UK registered at the mo.
Pistonheads needs a like button!

Love these smile

unsprung

1,602 posts

52 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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wormus said:
Imagine meeting this at the traffic lights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR4wDPfsmZ0
"Won't be a minute, Love. Just popping down the high street for a few things." hehe




MuscleSaloon

562 posts

103 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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CTS-V is epic. 640 hp. 11 second quarters. 200 mph. A Corvette Z06 with rear doors and seats for the kids !

Not sure it is really so expensive at £60k when something like a new Golf R can head towards £40k with options, Mustang V8 the same sort of money while the '18 Stang heads towards £50k with options.
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jwwbowe

75 posts

100 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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If I lived in a land of left-(wrong)-hand-drive I might have one of those Caddys in place of a very fast and clinical, ubiquitous, silver/grey german four door power saloon. Thankfully I live in the land of right-hand-drive and as such can have (theoretically, if I had more than a pack of gum in my pocket!) a Jaguar XJR keeping my soul and dignity whilst enjoying a supercharged V8 in a four door saloon. Fortunately I believe the kind people at Jaguar will even make you a LHD XJR if you ask nicely so no need for the Caddy or a Stuttgart/Munich/Ingolstadt taxi! Need an estate? That's what a supercharged Range Rover is for, as let's be honest handling for buyers of 5 Series and up sized cars is irellevent, there all great big puddings, might as well have a Range Rover and go the whole hog!

Mike335i

1,427 posts

30 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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jwwbowe said:
If I lived in a land of left-(wrong)-hand-drive I might have one of those Caddys in place of a very fast and clinical, ubiquitous, silver/grey german four door power saloon. Thankfully I live in the land of right-hand-drive and as such can have (theoretically, if I had more than a pack of gum in my pocket!) a Jaguar XJR keeping my soul and dignity whilst enjoying a supercharged V8 in a four door saloon. Fortunately I believe the kind people at Jaguar will even make you a LHD XJR if you ask nicely so no need for the Caddy or a Stuttgart/Munich/Ingolstadt taxi! Need an estate? That's what a supercharged Range Rover is for, as let's be honest handling for buyers of 5 Series and up sized cars is irellevent, there all great big puddings, might as well have a Range Rover and go the whole hog!
So you like Jags then?

Bladedancer

885 posts

124 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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MuscleSaloon said:
CTS-V is epic. 640 hp. 11 second quarters. 200 mph. A Corvette Z06 with rear doors and seats for the kids !

Not sure it is really so expensive at £60k when something like a new Golf R can head towards £40k with options, Mustang V8 the same sort of money while the '18 Stang heads towards £50k with options.
That's 60K used: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
And used Golfs R start at 20K, not 40.
New one in the US it costs 86.5K USD before you start ticking boxes. Add shipping, VAT and Duty. It isn't going to be 60K.

That's why the article compares it to used M5 and CTS-V is mighty expensive, however you want to look at it.
It is a great looking car but this side of the pond waaaay to expensive for what it is. I'm sure in US it's a bargain but here not so much.

Tuvra

7,465 posts

153 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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jwwbowe said:
If I lived in a land of left-(wrong)-hand-drive I might have one of those Caddys in place of a very fast and clinical, ubiquitous, silver/grey german four door power saloon. Thankfully I live in the land of right-hand-drive and as such can have (theoretically, if I had more than a pack of gum in my pocket!) a Jaguar XJR keeping my soul and dignity whilst enjoying a supercharged V8 in a four door saloon. Fortunately I believe the kind people at Jaguar will even make you a LHD XJR if you ask nicely so no need for the Caddy or a Stuttgart/Munich/Ingolstadt taxi! Need an estate? That's what a supercharged Range Rover is for, as let's be honest handling for buyers of 5 Series and up sized cars is irellevent, there all great big puddings, might as well have a Range Rover and go the whole hog!
You reckon a Range Rover drives like a 5 Series? hehe

MuscleSaloon

562 posts

103 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Bladedancer said:
MuscleSaloon said:
CTS-V is epic. 640 hp. 11 second quarters. 200 mph. A Corvette Z06 with rear doors and seats for the kids !

Not sure it is really so expensive at £60k when something like a new Golf R can head towards £40k with options, Mustang V8 the same sort of money while the '18 Stang heads towards £50k with options.
That's 60K used: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
And used Golfs R start at 20K, not 40.
New one in the US it costs 86.5K USD before you start ticking boxes. Add shipping, VAT and Duty. It isn't going to be 60K.

That's why the article compares it to used M5 and CTS-V is mighty expensive, however you want to look at it.
It is a great looking car but this side of the pond waaaay to expensive for what it is. I'm sure in US it's a bargain but here not so much.
Appreciate used vs new. But as the article says with 2.5k miles on its as nearly new as you can get, plus its 0 previous owners. I guess Ian Allen registered it themselves. They've certainly had it advertised for quite some time so PH is a bit slow out of the blocks only just flagging it up.

On PH stuff like this is often virtually ignored. Post a thread up about a 4 pot turbo that can be had on an 'affordable' PCP and its 30 pages in an instant. Guess that's just how it is.



alpinab3

123 posts

117 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Very cool car. Shame they stopped doing the wagon.

Ares

5,729 posts

48 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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MuscleSaloon said:
CTS-V is epic. 640 hp. 11 second quarters. 200 mph. A Corvette Z06 with rear doors and seats for the kids !

Not sure it is really so expensive at £60k when something like a new Golf R can head towards £40k with options, Mustang V8 the same sort of money while the '18 Stang heads towards £50k with options.
Yes, but thats used at a year old. The cars you list would be c30% cheaper at a similar age, and as the article said, the M5 CP comes in £12k less.

Krikkit

12,047 posts

109 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Can I just chime in that the El Camino in the article is rather lovely? What a fabulous piece of design.

Ares

5,729 posts

48 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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MuscleSaloon said:
Bladedancer said:
MuscleSaloon said:
CTS-V is epic. 640 hp. 11 second quarters. 200 mph. A Corvette Z06 with rear doors and seats for the kids !

Not sure it is really so expensive at £60k when something like a new Golf R can head towards £40k with options, Mustang V8 the same sort of money while the '18 Stang heads towards £50k with options.
That's 60K used: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
And used Golfs R start at 20K, not 40.
New one in the US it costs 86.5K USD before you start ticking boxes. Add shipping, VAT and Duty. It isn't going to be 60K.

That's why the article compares it to used M5 and CTS-V is mighty expensive, however you want to look at it.
It is a great looking car but this side of the pond waaaay to expensive for what it is. I'm sure in US it's a bargain but here not so much.
Appreciate used vs new. But as the article says with 2.5k miles on its as nearly new as you can get, plus its 0 previous owners. I guess Ian Allen registered it themselves. They've certainly had it advertised for quite some time so PH is a bit slow out of the blocks only just flagging it up.

On PH stuff like this is often virtually ignored. Post a thread up about a 4 pot turbo that can be had on an 'affordable' PCP and its 30 pages in an instant. Guess that's just how it is.
Used is used. And dealer owned car for 2.5k miles is either a demo or a press car, or both. 2.5k miles could have given the car 12.5k worth of wear.

I'm all for trying something different (I've shunned the Germans for my latest 500bhp saloon), but you can't ignore basic economics!

ZX10R NIN

10,158 posts

53 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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These are a very good car & the engine is a beast.


Ares

5,729 posts

48 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
These are a very good car & the engine is a beast.
Maybe it's the old Ferrari argument. You pay £60,000 for the (used*) engine, and they throw the rest of the car in for free.


(* wink )

unsprung

1,602 posts

52 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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If of interest... the CTS-V has a smaller sibling that offers a 464 hp twin-turbo V6, the ATS-V.

From the preceding link:

"...the ATS-V came ahead of the Mercedes-AMG C63 S but behind the BMW M3 and the winner, the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio."

"...with tires no more aggressive than the other cars’, the ATS-V slaughters its competitors with 1.03 g of steady-state cornering grip and a staggering figure-eight performance."






MuscleSaloon

562 posts

103 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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The ATS-V stacks up well on paper but gets slated for its engine. It needs the V8 in some form.

The CTS-V on the other hand successfully takes on all-comers.



wormus

9,045 posts

131 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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I hope they do a version using the new LT5 engine from the 2019 Corvette ZR1.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1113763_2019-c...

755hp with an 8sp auto and big fat tyres. No match for a Golf R obviouslysmile

unsprung

1,602 posts

52 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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Part of the relaunch of Cadillac involved moving the headquarters from the Midwestern climes of metropolitan Detroit to the global hub of New York City.

The building has been given a decidedly Anglophilic name -- Cadillac House -- the sort of nomenclature which is mostly unknown in the US. At this location the brand is able to hire specialists in the design, manufacture, and marketing of luxury goods, premium materials, and the like.

The managing director is a senior automotive figure and, originally, from South Africa. Until recently, the head of marketing was a German guy. Design has included posts by Australian and British guys. CEO of General Motors, Mary Barra, is committed to a long investment in the brand.

Strategic goals prioritise China, the US, SUVs, CUVs, electrification, and autonomous transport. They're experimenting with virtual reality -- to reach consumers directly (and to depend less upon dealers).

Below: a portion of the new Cadillac headquarters in Manhattan.