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RE: Mercedes-AMG Project ONE: Time for Tea

RE: Mercedes-AMG Project ONE: Time for Tea

Wednesday 20th December 2017

Mercedes-AMG Project ONE: Time for Tea?

It's been three months since the reveal - and Mercedes-AMG's idea of a street-legal F1 car still staggers us



Normally we'd be reluctant to point you at a manufacturer video which simply proclaims said manufacturer's brilliance - but as with much else about the Project ONE, it's not exactly business as normal.

Mercedes-AMG's latest film delves into a little more detail about the remarkable engine, with no lesser figure than Tobias Moers, explaining that for all the tweaks required for legal, turnkey status, the 1.6-litre turbocharged V6 is still built in the same machine shop as the F1 unit, with the same crankcase and cylinder head, and will still rev to an astonishing 11,000rpm.

No less pleasing is the reminder that the V6 is very much homegrown; it being a product of Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains, which is still based in Northamptonshire. Thus we get Simon Wilding, head of the automotive division at HPP, to talk us through the extensive hybrid system and the opportunities it now affords in a road car.

Finally there's the challenges of designing something to fit around this 1,000hp petrol/electric powerplant. Something which still needs to incorporate some of the creature comforts expected of a street-legal hypercar costing €2.27m - even if its real function is becoming a 'rollercoaster ride you control', as Lewis would say.

 

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Mikeeb

Original Poster:

179 posts

43 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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So much better looking than the AM Valkrye!

corozin

2,448 posts

196 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Koenigsegg phoned up and asked for thier design back.

I have no idea why the companies are bothering to build these things. They are going to be unusable on the road, and because of thier value are all essentially destined to spend thier lives nurtured inside warm garages rather than being driven, for fear of hurting residual values.


dandare

518 posts

179 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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I think it's beautiful. Nothing like a Königsegg really.

A good-looking Mercedes is a pleasant surprise. smile

As stated above, it's a pity there won't be many of them about.

Gameface

678 posts

2 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Bland design.

Konigsegg's (seeing as they've already been mentioned) are much better looking, as are others.

Max_Torque

11,872 posts

142 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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corozin said:
I have no idea why the companies are bothering to build these things.
Because, in effect, they have realised that since about 2005 and onward, Motorsport has become irrelevant for selling road cars!

If the Merc F1 team has enough time to make a road car, that tells you something..........

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gigglebug

661 posts

47 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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corozin said:
I have no idea why the companies are bothering to build these things.
It is because, more than ever, there is a client base for cars like these and companies can make money by providing for it whilst satisfying their own desires to push engineering boundaries a little. Pretty obvious really.

Sine Metu

261 posts

51 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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I thought the Ferrari F60 was the Formula One car for the road years ago.

Sway

7,396 posts

119 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Max_Torque said:
corozin said:
I have no idea why the companies are bothering to build these things.
Because, in effect, they have realised that since about 2005 and onward, Motorsport has become irrelevant for selling road cars!

If the Merc F1 team has enough time to make a road car, that tells you something..........
It does also seem increasingly likely that there will be a return to the 90s GT1 style homologated endurance classes. With this, the AM Valkerie, McLaren Senna/BP23, etc. all being able to take advantage of any new potential rules...

Add in the stuff that's already out there, such as the new Gumpert - it could be a bloody superb premier class for Le Mans.

Mikearwas

1,035 posts

84 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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corozin said:
Koenigsegg phoned up and asked for thier design back.

I have no idea why the companies are bothering to build these things. They are going to be unusable on the road, and because of thier value are all essentially destined to spend thier lives nurtured inside warm garages rather than being driven, for fear of hurting residual values.
Yeh, I think you're coming at this from completely the wrong angle.

These projects increase the perceived value of the brand.

I'm fairly sure the business case would have included predicted incremental volume due to the halo effect.

The F1 engine fully aligns the F1 position with the road car world. In reality you should be asking why Mercedes wouldn't do this.




Edited by Mikearwas on Wednesday 20th December 19:41

Krikkit

11,348 posts

106 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Very cool that they're using what's claimed to be F1-spec components, not just F1-derived. I bet the materials and coatings are a bit cheaper, but it's pretty swish having an identical cylinder head, ERS etc.

Herringbone

211 posts

14 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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Wow. It may be the first road car to use pneumatic valve control.

Edited by Herringbone on Thursday 21st December 01:52

Max_Torque

11,872 posts

142 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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Herringbone said:
Wow. It may be the first road car to use pneumatic valve control.
Gonna be expensive when the tappet seals leak and it drops a valve...... ;-)


Of course, at just 11kprm peak there is no need for air valve springs, but to convert to coils would mean a new cylinder head casting etc which would be expensive and mean that marketing couldn't crow on about "it's an F1 engine" (which, btw it isn't!)


BelfastBoy

699 posts

85 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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Krikkit said:
Very cool that they're using what's claimed to be F1-spec components, not just F1-derived. I bet the materials and coatings are a bit cheaper, but it's pretty swish having an identical cylinder head, ERS etc.
I would still expect servicing, maintenance and parts to be eye-wateringly stratospheric though. When the manufacturer will (presumably) be responsible for all the aftermarket stuff, they can charge whatever they like, and the owners will never even query if they're getting anything like value for money!

Maldini35

1,491 posts

113 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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Interesting car, boring video.

Not a pretty car but I guess that’s not the point.

Can’t wait to see how it drives


Fury1630

343 posts

152 months

Friday 22nd December 2017
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Struggling to see the "F1 car for the road" aspect.

It's a car with an F1 derived engine - it won't be an F1 engine because folk will get bored with the service light coming on 1/2 way to the shops. Nothing else about it is F1, it has too many seats, windows etc, not enough wings.

So it has an F1 derived engine, like a hundred Ferraris before it, the BMW 2002 & even the Hillman Imp if you really want to push it.

Sure it'll be impressive, but the F1 connection is just marketing guff.

xjay1337

9,558 posts

43 months

Friday 22nd December 2017
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Marketing or not, it's a pretty cool car smile

gigglebug

661 posts

47 months

Friday 22nd December 2017
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I found the video describing the suspension set up more interesting than the drivetrain. There are a lot of interesting cars coming up for sure.

BVB

447 posts

78 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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Aldo Costa, design legend. Ferrari haven't won an F1 title since his departure.