RE: Shed of the Week: Mazda RX-8

RE: Shed of the Week: Mazda RX-8

Friday 5th January

Shed of the Week: Mazda RX-8

Well if an RX-8 has made it beyond 80,000 miles, is it worth taking a punt on?



Sometimes we fret about tempting Sheds being snapped up by buyers before they hit our virtual news stand. By "we" we mean Shed, because it means that he then has to find a last-minute replacement and start his scribbling all over again.

With a Mazda RX-8 there's never quite the same degree of worry even though you're getting an easy £5-£6K's worth of performance, handling and character for (in this case) just £1,295.

Why? For a clue, please spend five minutes or so watching this clip from the brilliant 1960 Terry-Thomas movie School For Scoundrels. This is the bit where Dunstan and Dudley, proprietors of the Dorchester-based Winsome Welshmen used car garage, 'do a number' on Ian Carmichael, the naïve young hero looking for his first affordable motor.


The Shed he ends up buying (and regretting) for a whopping 695 guineas is the gurgling, belching and generally hideous Swiftmobile.

The Mazda RX-8 is the 21st century equivalent of the Swiftmobile. Not because it gurgles and belches. Quite the opposite. It's because if you don't know what you're getting into, you could easily lose your entire grubstake within a day of purchase. Even for the most shameless modern-day motor trade equivalent of the eel-like Dunstan, it would take real moxie for a garage to put an RX-8 out on the sales floor and not expect a comeback. Not with its reputation. The Mazda's, that is.

We'll talk about that in a minute, but let's look at the good RX-8 stuff first. There can surely be no criticism of the rotary engine concept. After all, who wouldn't like to bin loads of heavy, madly-reciprocating pistons and con-rods in favour of a single triangular rotor spinning smoothly on a shaft at seemingly limitless revs, producing silly amounts of power for the displacement (230hp or so from a nominal 1.3 litres), while also delivering the bonus feature of a cod-jangling exhaust note?


Given Mazda's 55-year (and counting) perseverance with rotary-motory, they clearly think the idea has legs. Unfortunately, RX-8 drivers have all too often been reminded of their own legs during their ownership experience, as many will have been called into action on more occasions than might be thought seemly for any modern motor car, let alone a Japanese one.

Hot staring trouble is something Shed is very well accustomed to, as he receives more than his fair share of dirty looks from Mrs Shed. It doesn't bother him unduly. Hot starting trouble is another matter though, especially on RX-8s.

If your RX-8 is afflicted with this pestilence, it will most likely start perfectly when the engine is cold and continue to run perfectly until you choose to turn it off. Obviously, that's normal: we all want our cars to stop when we turn them off. But we also like a warm engine to start when we turn it back on again. This is where the RX-8 loses some of its basic allure.


Sometimes, a sickly RX-8 will still fire up if it has a good battery and a good starter, but if worn rotor tips are its underlying problem, even a starter from a Saturn 5 rocket booster (if there is such a thing) won't cajole it into action.

There are a few rotary specialists around who operate outside the occasionally less than useful Mazda dealership network, so the expertise is out there. Fixes aren't cheap, but if you value the RX-8's driving pleasure at £5K-£6K, then you may well consider a couple of grand to be a reasonable investment.

The last time Shed wrote about an RX-8, he pondered on the wisdom and/or legality of getting around the hot start thing simply by leaving the engine switched on all the time until you're finished with it for the day. Is that practical? Well, it might be if only we didn't have to stop inconveniently for shopping, petrol, or visits to Monkey World.

Going to the zoo generally takes a fair while, even if it's a rubbish zoo with not much more than the odd crispy armadillo to stare glumly (or, indeed, hotly) at. By the time you tear yourself away and get back to your 21mpg-averaging Mazda, its tank will almost certainly be dry.


Leaving the engine on while refilling that tank is an interesting one. We've always been told never to do that, but then we've also been told never to use our mobiles on the forecourt and, according to Esso at least, it's now OK to flash your mob at the pump.

Leaving any car running while you're browsing the baked goods aisle at Aldi is probably not the best idea in today's dog-eat-dog world. Even with the Mazda's doors locked, there's always the sneaking fear of it disappearing. Then again, you might be quite pleased to be relieved of it if it does have all those starting problems. Let the new owner see what it's like.

Using his special access privileges, Shed has been able to discover that the MOT on this one runs until September '18, that the car did just under 6,000 miles between its October 2016 MOT and its September 2017 one, and that there were no advisories on the most recent test. The oil leak noted as an advisory on the 2016 test wasn't mentioned in 2017. Sometimes RX-8 oil leaks can be traced back to an oil cooler hose; other times it can be a worn seal at the front of the engine, or at the rear around the gearbox. Shed seems to remember that replacing the front one is an engine-out operation.


Anyway, the oil leak been rectified on this car, so no bother there. You'll still be pouring oil in at a fair old rate of knots, even without an oil leak, as these engines are major-league guzzlers. They demand the good stuff too, none of your Costco gloop or you might run into carbon build-up problems on top of the other issues you might experience like coil pack failure or rusty arches.

As with any Shed, buying an RX-8 is a gamble. The good thing about RX-8s is that the sums of money now being talked about for spangly-looking specimens like this one are low enough for it not to be a disaster if it all goes Pete Tong. Plus you can always bung an LS1 V8 into it. They fit.

Or you might be lucky with the engine supplied by the manufacturer to this one. There are many delighted RX-8 owners out there who have had success with the uprated starter and reflash fix and who have had no hot starting issues whatsoever. Maybe this is one of those cars. It's doubtful somehow, given the dreaded phrase PX TO CLEAR in the ad and no mention of dealer warranties.

But you might be lucky. You might, this very weekend, be revelling in the comfort, LSD-boosted balance, syrupy-steering, 6.4-sec-to-60mph, gearbox-snicking zinginess of an RX-8, and all for less than the price of a diesel Focus. And that includes Mirrors External.

Here's the ad.

Grey, PX TO CLEAR WITH MOT TILL SEP 2018 !, Upgrades - Metallic Paint, Next MOT due 27/09/2018, Service history, Good bodywork, Black interior - Good Condition, Tyre condition Good, Standard Features - Limited Slip Differential, Cruise Control, Tyre Repair Kit, Electronic Brake Force Distribution, Electronic Stability Programme, Traction Control System, Seat - ISOFIX Anchorage Point (Two Seats - Rear), Central Door Locking, Seat Height Adjustment, Anti-Lock Brakes, Deadlocks, Alloy Wheels (18in), Head Restraints, Alarm, Air Bag Side, Climate Control, Mirrors External, In Car Entertainment (Radio/CD Autochanger), Air Bag Passenger, Power-Assisted Steering, Electric Windows (Front), Body Coloured Bumpers, Air Bag Driver, Speakers, Front Fog Lights, Upholstery Cloth, Immobiliser, Adjustable Steering Column/Wheel. 4 seats, WWW.ASMPERFORMANCE.CO.UK SPECIALISTS IN PERFORMANCE AND PRESTIGE CARS!, £1,295 p/x welcome

 

 

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LankyLegoHead

Original Poster:

743 posts

61 months

Friday 5th January
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Yeah I've been to this dealers once, wouldnt touch anything they were selling personally...

Tin Hat

708 posts

138 months

Friday 5th January
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LankyLegoHead said:
Yeah I've been to this dealers once, wouldnt touch anything they were selling personally...
With this comment added to the mix, I think that buying this example would not be a good start to the New Year.......

Rawwr

19,524 posts

163 months

Friday 5th January
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I came so close to getting an RX8 in 2016 but the horror stories were enough to put me off, which is a shame really as I like the idea of one. Instead, I bought a Mondeo ST220, which should've been a far more realistic proposition but turned out to be a total bumhound.

delta0

965 posts

35 months

Friday 5th January
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I’ve had a later R3 RX8 for nearly 2 years now and absolutely love it.

Neith

488 posts

69 months

Friday 5th January
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Provided it has a healthy compression test these can be great fun. The oil usage is massively overtalked honestly; yes they use more than a typical piston engine but nothing ridiculous. The petrol usage however is biblical...

Make sure it's got the updated starter motor and get a compression test done. Owned mine for just less than a year and have had zero issues- the way these things handle is amazing so I'd encourage anyone to test drive one.
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TristPerrin

81 posts

107 months

Friday 5th January
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I really want to try one of these now they're basically being given away, but the trouble is most ownership stories seem to end in engine related disaster. I'd love to think it was just the internet blowing things out of proportion, trouble is I'm not brave enough to test that theory!

I imagine being a Mazda (serial MX5 owner) rust is probably something to lookout for too?

DMN

2,344 posts

68 months

Friday 5th January
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I miss my RX8. I miss the way it drives and handles, I miss the fact that the peddles where spot-on for heel and toe.

I don't miss the 17mpg (I never got anywhere near the 22mpg quoted above), and I don't miss the worry that it will bork itself.

only1ian

514 posts

123 months

Friday 5th January
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I have to admit "hot staring" was a new concept for me! Remembering a wankel was involved with this weeks Shed it seemed likely that the urban dictionary would be the best place to discover its meaning! Not disappointed:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=St...



Edited by only1ian on Friday 5th January 08:35

R8Steve

3,578 posts

104 months

Friday 5th January
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I had one of these, hated everything about it. I wouldn’t have another one if it was free.

JoeBolt

190 posts

91 months

Friday 5th January
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It's a bit naive of Shed to assume that an oil leak has been fixed if it appeared as an advisory on a previous MOT, but not the current.

Without any documentary evidence of repair, more likely is that the latest MOT tester missed it, deemed it not worthy of comment or evidence of the leak was cleaned up by the owner immediately before the MOT.


GranCab

1,106 posts

75 months

Friday 5th January
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Correction ....

It was a crispy Aardvark - not an Armadillo redcard

BFleming

632 posts

72 months

Friday 5th January
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Like a lot of people, I just couldn't ever bring myself to buy one of these. Loads of petrol & loads of tax are the 100% guaranteed things. The risks associated with that engine may not affect them all, but they affect enough of them to keep people (like me) away.
A friend bought one back in 2006, and brought it to the Nurburgring; it was a blast on there right up until his driving skills let him down & he got one wheel on the grass near Aremberg, spun out & hit the barrier. The oil coolers are at the front corners of this car, so he split one. Luckily there's a Mazda garage at Adenau, and they charged him €2000 for said oil cooler & fitting, having taken a week to get the part in stock. Oucha.

Wait Here Until Green Light Shows

11,084 posts

129 months

Friday 5th January
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Rawwr said:
I came so close to getting an RX8 in 2016 but the horror stories were enough to put me off, which is a shame really as I like the idea of one. Instead, I bought a Mondeo ST220, which should've been a far more realistic proposition but turned out to be a total bumhound.
Well documented oil burner V's well documented rust bucket smile

GranCab

1,106 posts

75 months

fizmo100

111 posts

127 months

Friday 5th January
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I had a Kuro edition 'back in the day', it was a lovely colour, black but with a coppery greeny fleck to it that looks superb in the right light. It was a nice car, but I felt it wasn't fast enough given the MPG it was returning. I think that may have been mostly my own fault for not redlining it - you really do need to use the whole rev band to get the best from these. I'd love to give it another go with one of these, especially as I now have kids - the suicide doors aren't just a gimmick, they are actually really handy.

Factor in the potential for an engine rebuild into your buying price and you still have a car that represents very good value for money imo. Cloth interiors and the lower powered option (190ish bhp) are a no-no when you can get the 6 speed 231bhp version with leather for the same money.

Ved

3,778 posts

104 months

Friday 5th January
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LankyLegoHead said:
Yeah I've been to this dealers once, wouldnt touch anything they were selling personally...
I concur...

h3nde

107 posts

18 months

Friday 5th January
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My step brother had a 231 with a Mazda Speed kit about 8/9 years ago. It was such a nice car and being in my mid teens back then I was amazed by it. He left it running when filling it up IIRC. Unfortunately it succumbed one evening due to the common fault of a badger taking the front bumper and radiator off at probably Mach 4 speeds.

Also had a friend who bought a lower mileage (maybe 30-35k miles) example for something like £6,000 in 2013. It was a 192, wasn’t amazingly fast but I drove it once and was stunned by the handling. However this car also succumbed to the common fault of a corrugated steel roof detaching from his girlfriends garden shed, during a storm and landing on the car damaging the roof, bonnet and passenger side doors. So that was that.

Apart from bad luck with animals and sheds neither were unreliable. I’d buy one considering the price (if I was in the market). Downsides I remember being you can drain a full tank in a little over 100 miles and the oil consumption could be measured in MPG too, as shed noted.


parpindog

3 posts

14 months

Friday 5th January
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What’s a bumhound ? Lol....

Cupra Black

2,889 posts

147 months

Friday 5th January
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I had a 2005 RX8 which was a couple of years old when I sold it.

TBH (apart from a 968CS) it is the one car I regret selling.

I had fitted a Borla exhaust so it sounded brilliant, powder coated the wheels to get over the corrosion issues and it didn't use much oil and was a cracking drive.

I sold it to get an E39 M5 (money pit) and day the new owner collected it the CAT gave up.

I was gutted for him but luckily it was still covered under manufactures warranty.



re33

65 posts

93 months

Friday 5th January
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Had a similar rx8 3 years ago for £1250 though only had 50k miles on it. The steering felt great, never really liked the engine and was getting 12mpg on a city commute. Only car I have ever spun under braking. Although I think that was terrible rear tyres and something strange with abs when traction/ stability control was turned off. Flooded it a couple of times due to short distances cold start problem. I changed coils and plugs when I got it as precaution. Very practical in terms of space and you wont get this performance this new with any other car. Wouldn't have another but glad I tried it and at this money dont see why everyone wouldnt try it even with potential reliability problems.