RE: Subaru teases STI-badged concept
Wednesday 10th January 2018
We've briefly reported on the Viziv Performance Concept before - most recently at last year's Tokyo show - but it was obvious to all of us that Subaru hadn't yet put its back into it. Now at last, with the tuner-dedicated Auto Salon almost upon us, the manufacturer has finally put some performance into its concept.
Is this actually pointing anywhere concrete? Well, that remains in the shade. Subaru might potentially say a little more about what's under the bonnet (a Boxer motor of some description apparently) but it might not. The Viziv is still about forthcoming design language as much as anything.
Subaru teases STI-badged concept
We've seen the Viziv Performance Concept before. Now we actually like it.
Naturally (and tantalizingly) this all comes with an STI badge attached. And as is typically the case, the whole thing immediately moves up a notch: the splitter, bigger sills and all-important spoiler (not to mention pink highlights) providing the Viziv with the kind of profile that immediately invokes a bedroom wall worth of Impreza back catalouge.
The better way to look at it is as an affirmation that Subaru still knows where it's at: five-doors, hawk-eyed, boxed arches, Boxer engined and all-wheel drive in the symetrical style. That remains the concept at the heart of the STI-badged show car, and with the current Final (farewell) Edition due any day at PH HQ, that's what we're clinging to.
Discussion
macky17 said:
What's the betting they'll recycle the chocolate 2.5 again?
I'm on my third chocolate 2.5Had no issues yet. However, only 160k miles between them and all kept standard. The 2.0 on the first one gave us no problems either.
Like the look of this.
Edited by garythesnail on Wednesday 10th January 19:34
givablondabone said:
No one doubts Subaru's ability to produce exciting, driver focused cars but to make anything like this work they need to improve their interiors and even more importantly give us a more efficient and frugal engine at the same time.
It wont matter to us here in the UK as they've said they are no longer bring STIs here.daemon said:
givablondabone said:
No one doubts Subaru's ability to produce exciting, driver focused cars but to make anything like this work they need to improve their interiors and even more importantly give us a more efficient and frugal engine at the same time.
It wont matter to us here in the UK as they've said they are no longer bring STIs here.givablondabone said:
daemon said:
givablondabone said:
No one doubts Subaru's ability to produce exciting, driver focused cars but to make anything like this work they need to improve their interiors and even more importantly give us a more efficient and frugal engine at the same time.
It wont matter to us here in the UK as they've said they are no longer bring STIs here.They'll sell a load of them in the JDM, Australia and the US, but they dont fit well with our buying priorities here in the UK.
macky17 said:
If only Subaru were willing to develop an engine like audi's 2.5 5 cylinder - a truly special unit. Now that would bring about a new scooby era. Of course they probably don't shift enough units to justify the investment.
Not sure of worldwide numbers, but they're selling on average around 2,500 a month in the US of the STI variant alonehttp://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/05/subaru-wrx-st...
http://focus2move.com/subaru-global-sales/
If you loop in AUS and JDM and rest of world then they must be selling 5,000+ a month of them worldwide?
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 10th January 21:26
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 10th January 21:26
daemon said:
macky17 said:
If only Subaru were willing to develop an engine like audi's 2.5 5 cylinder - a truly special unit. Now that would bring about a new scooby era. Of course they probably don't shift enough units to justify the investment.
Not sure of worldwide numbers, but they're selling on average around 2,500 a month in the US of the STI variant alonehttp://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/05/subaru-wrx-st...
http://focus2move.com/subaru-global-sales/
If you loop in AUS and JDM and rest of world then they must be selling 5,000+ a month of them worldwide?
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 10th January 21:26
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 10th January 21:26
garythesnail said:
I'm on my third chocolate 2.5
Had no issues yet. However, only 160k miles between them and all kept standard. The 2.0 on the first one gave us no problems either.
Like the look of this.
My dad's also on his 3rd 2.5. The first one (a 330S) was using more oil than petrol when it was part exchanged. The latter two have been ok though.Had no issues yet. However, only 160k miles between them and all kept standard. The 2.0 on the first one gave us no problems either.
Like the look of this.
MDMA . said:
daemon said:
macky17 said:
If only Subaru were willing to develop an engine like audi's 2.5 5 cylinder - a truly special unit. Now that would bring about a new scooby era. Of course they probably don't shift enough units to justify the investment.
Not sure of worldwide numbers, but they're selling on average around 2,500 a month in the US of the STI variant alonehttp://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/05/subaru-wrx-st...
http://focus2move.com/subaru-global-sales/
If you loop in AUS and JDM and rest of world then they must be selling 5,000+ a month of them worldwide?
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 10th January 21:26
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 10th January 21:26
Won't look anything like the concept car.
What it needs,
1) to look good. Subarus past designs means this won't happen.
2) Needs to ditch the 2.5l engine. They won't
3) Needs 400BHP to match the competition. It will still have 300'ish bhp
4) Needs a better interior, and better plastics. It won't
5) Needs a better stereo and speaker, as past ones have been shocking. It won't
6) Needs to be priced to match or undercut the competition (as long as everything else listed above matches). It will be no doubt price itself out.
I really like Subaru, and my 2005 STI PPP was a great car at the time (excluding the crappy stereo), but things have moved on. People who once owned these cars want more now. You can buy a Golf, Mer, Audi etc, that can blow most cars into the weeds, yet do so with a well laid out interior with nice materials, and a sound system that'll blow your eardrums out. But while Audi etc are starting to price their cars to the point where they are becoming hard to justify buying outright (many take PCP deals), Subaru have a chance to get themselves back into the game.
Yet sadly due to lack of sales in the UK, and decent car the do produce will be massively expensive, due to limited numbers, or just won't be imported into the UK, like most of their special Impreza's never were.
What it needs,
1) to look good. Subarus past designs means this won't happen.
2) Needs to ditch the 2.5l engine. They won't
3) Needs 400BHP to match the competition. It will still have 300'ish bhp
4) Needs a better interior, and better plastics. It won't
5) Needs a better stereo and speaker, as past ones have been shocking. It won't
6) Needs to be priced to match or undercut the competition (as long as everything else listed above matches). It will be no doubt price itself out.
I really like Subaru, and my 2005 STI PPP was a great car at the time (excluding the crappy stereo), but things have moved on. People who once owned these cars want more now. You can buy a Golf, Mer, Audi etc, that can blow most cars into the weeds, yet do so with a well laid out interior with nice materials, and a sound system that'll blow your eardrums out. But while Audi etc are starting to price their cars to the point where they are becoming hard to justify buying outright (many take PCP deals), Subaru have a chance to get themselves back into the game.
Yet sadly due to lack of sales in the UK, and decent car the do produce will be massively expensive, due to limited numbers, or just won't be imported into the UK, like most of their special Impreza's never were.
Shame to hear lots of negative comments on the STI.
I own a 2014 STI and it’s a great car with a great engine. It’s such a rewarding car to drive. I have recently been on track with it and it was such a fantastic drive.
I would welcome a new version with a boxer engine, sure to be with more power. How could it come with anything else??
I am also lucky enough to own a 991 turbo s, but I choose to drive the STI more as it is just such a laugh!!
I look forward to the next generation STI!
I own a 2014 STI and it’s a great car with a great engine. It’s such a rewarding car to drive. I have recently been on track with it and it was such a fantastic drive.
I would welcome a new version with a boxer engine, sure to be with more power. How could it come with anything else??
I am also lucky enough to own a 991 turbo s, but I choose to drive the STI more as it is just such a laugh!!
I look forward to the next generation STI!
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