RE: PH Service History: The Lotus Position

RE: PH Service History: The Lotus Position

Sunday 11th February 2018

PH Service History: 70 years young

Lotus celebrates 70 years in the business this year - so how much to buy into all that heritage?



As you'll have read earlier this week on PH, Lotus is commemorating its 70th anniversary with a pair of lightly spangled special editions - an Elise and an Exige.When you think about it, that's no small feat for a company that seems to have been on the brink of extinction for longer than any dyed-in-the-wool British sports car enthusiast would care to remember.

The milestone, therefore, calls for a celebration - so we're off down the pub for a swift one in honour of the good ship Lotus and all who've sailed in her. But before we go, we got to wondering just how much you have to spend in order to buy into that extraordinary heritage, history of engineering excellence and fear of coming out one day to find all your car's electricity has gone AWOL.

As it turns out, the answer to that question is 'about £7,000'. That's enough to get you a very tidy-sounding M100 Elan like this one. It comes with a long and detailed history, a full year's MOT and low mileage, which means it's about as good as it comes. It's also one of the earlier cars with the Opera-type headlights which, though troublesome, mark it out as a bit of a rarity that might one day be more valuable than later models. Sniff at the front-wheel-drive chassis at your peril, by the way; these little M100s are terrific to drive and far more precise than any other early 1990s two-seat drop-top, and deserving of the badge. What's more, given how crazy some of the prices for some other cult classics of that era, they still look pretty reasonable, so get in quick. I'm tempted myself, frankly.


If that's not your cup of tea, though, you'll have to spend a little mo... hang on a second, folks. There's a pranged Elise here with 172,000 miles on the clock. No, really. Which begs a couple of questions. Namely, who's done that sort of mileage in an Elise, and can I shake their hand? And of course, is it worth a punt?

Well, this is an earlier K-Series car, so the sensible answer to that is 'are you serious?'. But if this Elise really has done that mileage, there's a big part of me that wants to see it survive. The dealer reckons the repair work can be done ready for paint for £999, so reckon on it owing you £11,000 or so once it's sprayed up. That's probably around what its worth, but you'll struggle to find someone willing to take on such a leggy example - so I'd say it's touch-and-go.

I'd be happier spending a couple of thou more on this tidy-looking Series 2 111S. The description is rather light, so I'd want to see a decent amount of paperwork when I turned up to view, but if it checks out, it sounds like a bit of a bargain. Series 1 Elises are starting to skyrocket in price, so unless you value the place in the annals of Lotus history the S1 has, the additional modernity and sharper looks of the S2 are starting to make it look like a more savvy buy; that said, you normally only find entry-level cars for this sort of cash, so a 111S is a tempting buy.


Thing is, though, I've always been a sucker for the Esprit instead. I know, I know, call me a philistine all you want; it's just I'm a sucker for leather and carpets and a stereo and all that sort of caper. All of which means I'm very pleased to see you can still tuck into one for less than £20,000 - albeit a naturally-aspirated X180, arguably the least desirable of the lot. Still, I wouldn't turn this one down - it looks oddly very appealing, more understated than the later S4s with their wacky wings and ducts, and in a rather tasteful blue-over-cream. And the 174hp mill should see it to 60 in under 7 seconds - brisk, then, if not properly quick.

Then again, an X180 Turbo isn't all that much more cash - and gives you a 0-60mph time of 5.4 seconds, which sounds much more like it. There's one here for just a few grand more with very reasonable miles on the clock - and guess what? It's a limited edition built to celebrate an anniversary, which rather neatly (and entirely not by design, I should add) brings us back to where we started.

The Commemorative Edition was built to celebrate the company's 40th anniversary, and as such got pearlescent white paint and that love-or-loathe duck-egg-blue interior. And if it's as clean as it sounds, this example looks like it's very reasonably priced. So if you are in the mood for a commemorative Lotus and you don't fancy the new models, I suggest you go and have a nose around it, pronto.

 

 

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tosh.brice

Original Poster:

204 posts

212 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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The last couple of links don't work...

[edit] I don't think any of them do!

Edited by tosh.brice on Sunday 11th February 13:31

D-Angle

4,468 posts

243 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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Next week, Lotus release a special edition Exige to commemorate the publication of this article.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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said:
I've always been a sucker for the Esprit. The Commemorative Edition was built to celebrate the company's 40th anniversary
Unfortunately we're now at the 70th anniversary with absolutely no sign of anything resembling a new Esprit.

chickensoup

469 posts

256 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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buy with confidence from TVR Glen Lolz

MARTEN

33 posts

230 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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First of all that red Lotus Elise is not a 111S but a standard S2 k-series
Secondly it's offered by TVR Glen who is considered by almost every members on the several Lotus Forums as one of the most unreliable companies to buy an Elise off.

So i would say PH do your homework before you start printing to prevent potential buyers of making a very regretfull purchase

GranCab

2,902 posts

147 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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PH ... do homework ... ? banghead

JualMassFlywheel

5,513 posts

156 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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That S1 with 172k could be a safer bet than it seems. At that mileage I'll wager it's had a bit of work done. Uprated headgasket minimum, probably even a rebuild to be fair. Plus suspension refresh.

If it's been looked after...................

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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That's the thing about an old Elise - a good car IF it's been completely rebuilt.

V8 FOU

2,977 posts

148 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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What about an Excel?
Still good money at the mo'

samoht

5,751 posts

147 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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On the crashed Elise, the ad says

"DAMAGE TO FRONT AND REAR DRIVERS SIDE THAT INCLUDES SUSPENSION DAMAGE
WE CAN COMPLETE THE FIBERGLASS WORK UP TO PAINT STAGE FOR £999"

so even if you take them at their word, they're only doing the body panels for £1k. It's then up to you to find some non-square wheels, replace suspension arms and rebuild the suspension - and then hope you don't find that the impact on the suspension has tweaked the alloy tub.


saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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Thought that guy was ok??

Surely 'the Lotus Position' is upside down, head first in the drivers footwell, trying to reach the connector where the single strand of wire has given up or undoing a bolt made of cheesium.

Jellinek

274 posts

276 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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saaby93 said:
Thought that guy was ok??

Surely 'the Lotus Position' is upside down, head first in the drivers footwell, trying to reach the connector where the single strand of wire has given up or undoing a bolt made of cheesium.
Had to laugh 😂 For me, the connector in the footwell was when my wipers packed up in a downpour and the chesium bolt was on the throttle linkage, it undid itself. J plate Esprit 2.2 circa 2001.

Alex-wtkhl

7 posts

77 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Who’d ever be mad enough to buy a car from TVR Glen?

Alex-wtkhl

7 posts

77 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Anyone in their right mind would never buy a vehicle from TVR Glen!
What are you doing Pustonheads???

lyndhurst25

30 posts

267 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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That red S2 is my old car! Any yes, I did do 172000 miles in it. If anyone is considering buying it then feel free to contact me if you want to know it's history.

Top tip. Going by the £5250 that the insurance paid out to me when it was written off, if you want to increase the value of your car by 64% then simply tail-spin it into a motorway crash barrier at 70 mph.

kambites

67,617 posts

222 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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MARTEN said:
First of all that red Lotus Elise is not a 111S but a standard S2 k-series
So is the grey one at B&C. hehe

jnoiles

78 posts

157 months

Friday 16th February 2018
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S1 Elise owner here. Point me to these skyrocketing values please.