RE: Jaguar I-PACE vs Tesla Model X

RE: Jaguar I-PACE vs Tesla Model X

Thursday 1st March

Jaguar I-PACE vs Tesla Model X

What's the best way of launching your electric SUV? Throwing the gauntlet down, obviously...



Not content with telling us about the I-PACE's performance, Jaguar couldn't resist showing us - in the most explicit way possible. As part of its live global reveal, the firm showcased a film which pits its first all-electric vehicle against the Tesla Model X in a 0-60-0 sprint at the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico City.

Not just one Model X either, but two: the entry-level 75D and the range-topping 100D. Bizarrely, Gaydon was at pains to remind us that the test was not over a set distance (possibly to underline the fact both versions of Tesla's falcon-winged car have higher top speeds than the I-PACE) and that this was an examination of stopping as well as starting.

Conspicuous in its absence is the 772hp Performance version of the 100D, but Jaguar might reasonably point out that the I-PACE is less than half the price of that car. Either way, it's over to you Elon.

 

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acme

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Making the assumption this is 100% genuine (!), it's pretty ballsy, and I didn't expect them to then bring on the 100D!

B17NNS

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We live in exciting times. Loving the Jag and kudos to Tesla for making a whole industry sit up and take notice.

I suspect the 100D wasn't in ludicrous mode or they'd have made it very clear that it was.

JD

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Who indeed would have thought the smaller, lighter, faster car would beat the other in a race!

Ed.

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171 months

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Is that Jags first hatchback?

Leggy

779 posts

155 months

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The Tesla looks odd. It’s like a massive scale model but 130% bigger in every proportion to a normal car. Jag is a much nicer shape.
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wst

2,997 posts

94 months

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Is it just me, or does Tony Kanaan look remarkably like Vin Diesel?

Er, Vin Electric.

kambites

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154 months

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Hmm, I don't really see the two as being comparable - the Model-X is a full-sized SUV; the i-Pace is surely a class-below in terms of size and weight? I've certainly not seen anything to indicate the i-Pace will be available with seven seats.

The SUV version of the Model-3, if and when it eventually appears, will be the i-Pace rival.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 1st March 19:20

numtumfutunch

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71 months

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Impressive marketing fluff but if I was in the market - which Im not - its hard to look past the Tesla supercharger network

JD

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kambites said:
Hmm, I don't really see the two as being comparable - the Model-X is a full-sized SUV; the i-Pace is surely a class-below in terms of size and weight? I've certainly not seen anything to indicate the i-Pace will be available with seven seats.

The SUV version of the Model-3, if and when it eventually appears, will be the i-Pace rival.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 1st March 19:20
It’s smaller than an F-pace and even that isn’t a 7 seater.

It’s a Macan/Q5 type size.

Would have been a more interesting comparison with a Macan Turbo.

GranCab

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79 months

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Saw a Tesla Model X with its front n/s wheel hanging off - no apparent reason apart from American build quality .... last time I saw similar was on a Ssanyong Rexton ...

RobDickinson

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187 months

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B17NNS said:
I suspect the 100D wasn't in ludicrous mode or they'd have made it very clear that it was.
AFIK only the P models have ludicrous mode?

BogBeast

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196 months

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Jag is a nice looking car, definitely will be looking at it..

They have had a good year to 18 months at least to analyse the Tesla X so I would have expected them to come with something impressive..

Hopefully this will induce Tesla to drop the X prices...

tgx

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83 months

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I am quite sure that the Jag is a very very nice EV. However I still have to give Kudos to Tesla
and continue to support them since without Tesla I think we all know the i-Pace would never
have been built.

alorotom

4,816 posts

120 months

Friday 2nd March
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tgx said:
I am quite sure that the Jag is a very very nice EV. However I still have to give Kudos to Tesla
and continue to support them since without Tesla I think we all know the i-Pace would never
have been built.
Agreed, they are definitely the current market agitators

robemcdonald

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129 months

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Isn’t it a bit pointless to conduct a test that cherry picks like this?
The only things these two have in common is they are vaguely SUV shaped with electric motors.
The fact is that if you have the money you can go and buy a model x today. If drag racing was your thing you could even buy one faster than the I Pace....... Today.
When is the Jag going to be available for actual customers?
Was that particular Jag truly representative of a production car?

The bottom line is the Jag will be around half the price of the Model X when it’s launched. The fact that it will be around £50k without options takes it out of the reach of most of us.

You never know, by the time the I pace is actually available the model 3 might have made it to the UK. The VW ID won’t be far behind either. Both of those cars are far more exciting. Bringing the possibility of a decent real world range EV to the mass market.

RobDickinson

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I think it shows jaguar are targeting it at tesla buyers who have already accepted they want an ev.

Rather than race it against an ice competitor.

Oh and the ipace starts at 64 thousand and is barely cheaper than the model x if specced out similarly

fezst

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57 months

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robemcdonald said:
Isn’t it a bit pointless to conduct a test that cherry picks like this?
The only things these two have in common is they are vaguely SUV shaped with electric motors.
The fact is that if you have the money you can go and buy a model x today. If drag racing was your thing you could even buy one faster than the I Pace....... Today.
When is the Jag going to be available for actual customers?
Was that particular Jag truly representative of a production car?

The bottom line is the Jag will be around half the price of the Model X when it’s launched. The fact that it will be around £50k without options takes it out of the reach of most of us.

You never know, by the time the I pace is actually available the model 3 might have made it to the UK. The VW ID won’t be far behind either. Both of those cars are far more exciting. Bringing the possibility of a decent real world range EV to the mass market.
You must really be a Tesla fan boy...
I-Pace ships later this year, when is the RHD model 3 available?

What is different to that I-Pace that isn't on the production car?

RobDickinson

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New s and x have a 5 month wait..

Thought looks like the ipace is only 30000 a year

robemcdonald

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fezst said:
You must really be a Tesla fan boy...
I-Pace ships later this year, when is the RHD model 3 available?

What is different to that I-Pace that isn't on the production car?
Must be great to live in a black and white world where you’re either a hater or fan boy. rolleyes

I am neither thanks. In fact on the recent thread on the Tesla roadster I took a fairly anti-Tesla stance.

Jag says the I pace is launching this year.

Tesla originally said the model 3 would be in the UK this year.

Who is to say Jaguars claim won’t be similarly wrong? After all Tesla have more experience in manufacturing evs than Jaguar.

When it comes to electric vehicles I’ll believe the claims about availability and performance when I can physically go and buy one.

On the subject of availability though Tesla’s UK website lists a lot of new stock available now. So if you were so inclined you could go and buy one today.

Regarding the model 3. I really wanted one as my next car, but have given up as I don’t think there will be any meaningful quantities in the UK until around 2020. Personally I’m much more interested in the VW ID now.


Providing that comes out on time.......

kambites

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The big risk to Jaguar's schedules has got to be battery supply. Hyundai are already soaking up all of LG's capacity and still having to significantly throttle back their production to well below demand and they have a very aggressive EV roll-out plan, I can't see Jaguar getting in ahead of Hyundai with the Korean suppliers.