RE: BMW 635CSi: PH Fleet

RE: BMW 635CSi: PH Fleet

Monday 12th March 2018

BMW 635CSi: PH Fleet

A chance to go back-to-back with an M635CSi is not to be sniffed at - but will it leave our non-M Six feeling less special?



One of the oldest cliches in the book is that one about not meeting your heroes. And I had double the reason to question myself upon booking in BMW's M635CSi, for it could go one of two ways. I could either find it didn't live up to my expectations, spoiling the legend of a car I've always lusted after; or it could be everything I expected, spoiling the legend built up in my mind around my own pride and joy. Hmm. Was this really such a good idea?

Yes. It was. I decided as much right about the point I slotted the 635 in next to the M635 in the office car park and got out to admire my handiwork. Crikey, they looked good. And all the more so on the way out to our photo location. Call me a child, but tonking along in my car while catching glances of the smouldering nose of the M car staring me out in the rear-view mirror on the way there. I couldn't help but feel a huge swell of pride imagining how good our little convoy looked.


The purpose of bringing the two together was to find out exactly how much of a difference there was between the supercar-powered M-car and my "cooking-spec" model - if it can be called such a thing. Modern Ms are usually about as far removed from the saloons and coupes on which they're based as a lump of Dover limestone and a wedge of Somerset brie - was that always the case?

On first acquaintance, the answer has to be 'yes'. Even at slow speeds, the 286hp 3.5-litre six-pot of the M car feels more aggressive, with a coarser engine note and a keener response to the throttle; open the taps fully, and the intoxicating metallic snarl of a thoroughbred straight six fills the cabin as the revs pile on. For such a big, heavy car, the way the M635 moves is fabulous; an exponential surge of forward thrust that dares you to hold it in gear just a little longer, all the time.


The shift is, as per most BMW manuals of the time, long and a little baulky - and this example's a touch on the slack side, too. But each ratio is perfectly worked, landing you right before the rev range's sweet spot each time. Acceleration becomes addictive; your inner child begging you for just one more upshift and one more dose of that glorious engine note. And it feels properly quick, too, despite its age - in its day, it must have been astonishing.

Jump into the standard 6 straight away, and the difference in character is noticeable. It feels lazier and less crisp, and at first, that's an irritation; you long for the crazed yowl of the motorsport-bred M88/3. But as the miles roll by, its charms reveal themselves. It's happier at this laid-back pace; content to move along briskly, making good use of its mid-range torque with the odd excursion to the red line just for the hell of it.

The gulf between these two cars' characters, however, narrows once you hit the twisty bits. Of course, the M635 has the stiffer suspension of the two; its ride is a touch less pliant, but the payoff is that it doesn't roll as much. That said, there's still plenty of give in the suspension; combined with the same slow, deliberate steering and big, thin-rimmed wheel, the result is that the differences aren't as noticeable here as they are in a straight line. What you do get with the M car, of course, is the ability to slide the tail wide just as you please; the 635's standard slushbox makes that nigh-on impossible unless the roads are greasy - despite the fact it's fitted with the same limited-slip differential.


There's a slight dichotomy about the M635CSi, in fact, its hard-charging straight-line nature softening in the corners. As the 635CSi feels slightly softer all round it feels, strangely, better resolved. Mind you, that glorious, exceptional engine is enough to forgive the M's less focussed cornering abilities; I'd have one for its induction note's ability to tingle the spine alone, and then again for the way it takes off at high revs.

I said at the start that this could go one of two ways; happily, as it turns out, there's a third one. I met a hero, and it gave me goosebumps. You can't ask more from it than that. And yet I didn't come away disappointed with my own faithful old shark. Maybe I'm biased, and making excuses for my own car - you'd be within your rights to think that. All I know is that, driving home, I didn't feel disappointed. In fact, I was grateful for its effortlessness; for the big wave of torque its auto 'box kicked down to and surfed upon as I powered past a dawdling Honda Jazz on the back roads. Where the M635CSi is a classic supercar masquerading as a grand tourer, the 635CSi is a laid-back cruiser with a sporting edge. Which, quite frankly, is exactly what I want it to be.

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FACT SHEET
Car
: 1988 BMW 635CSi Auto 'Highline'
Run by: Alex Robbins
Bought: December 2014
Mileage at purchase: 100,895
Mileage now: 107,928
Last few months at a glance: A drive in an M635CSi doesn't leave our 635CSi feeling like the poor relation - thankfully.

Previous updates:
Hello to one hell of a 6 Series
Going grand touring in a proper old grand tourer

 

 

   
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tosh.brice

Original Poster:

204 posts

212 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Good article, thanks! But you really do need to use higher resolution photographs...

Jual Mass Flywheel

5,512 posts

156 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Coolist bimmer ever?

Esceptico

7,532 posts

110 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Important bit of information missing from this piece: what is the current difference in value between the CSi and M car?

Gruber

6,313 posts

215 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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article said:
The gulf between these two cars' characters, however, narrows once you hit the twisty bits...
That was very much my experience too. Of course, it's difficult to be objective because, at this age, unless both cars are wearing fresh suspension, bushes, and rubber, there's a lot more at play than original handling ability.

But all that said, I always thought the 6 was better suited to the M30 engine and an auto box. For exactly the reasons outlined in the article, it kind of felt like the e24 just couldn't quite make the most of the M engine's potential. The standard 635 seemed to be a better match of engine and vehicle. We took our CSi down to the Dordogne a couple of times and it was an absolute pleasure to cover long distances - effortless, torquey and refined in a sports GT sort of way. And surprisingly frugal, if you stuck to sensible speeds.

I later had an e28 M5. To me, that was a far better car for enjoying that engine - and oh what a masterpiece it was. The e28 was smaller, and felt smaller and more nimble on the road than the e24. It handled better as a result. Zipping across the North Yorkshire moors in that M5 remains one of my motoring highlights.

Edited by Gruber on Monday 12th March 14:41

Foodfocus

35 posts

147 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Perhaps one of the only example of a BMW where it's the non M car I lust for. There's something so intrinsically right about the 635 that it doesn't need the M trappings. It's a very cool comfy GT car, non M spec in black and I'm in love.

Scrof

197 posts

155 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Esceptico said:
Important bit of information missing from this piece: what is the current difference in value between the CSi and M car?
I don't like to get too carried away, but I reckon mine's probably worth around £10-12,000 now, although a Motorsport Edition with seriously low miles could fetch as much as £20k, I'd estimate.

As for M635s... rough guess at anywhere from £25k for a high-miler in need of tidying, right up to £65-70k for the best of the best. I have seen one advertised at over £100k, but the less said about that, the better - I don't think we're quite there yet!

To everyone else, ta for the positive comments!



GibsonSG

276 posts

112 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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I really enjoyed reading this, gave me a great feeling for both cars. I’ve never driven either model but would love to based on this.

Well done PH, just the kind of article I like!

HardMiles

320 posts

87 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Still miss my 635, brilliant thing. By dropping the car slightly on harder springs and a full SS exhaust. It’s was perfect!

Jon_S_Rally

3,424 posts

89 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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I'm clearly in the minority, but I've never really got the fascination with these. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad looking car, but I have never really understood why so many endlessly wax lyrical about them. To me it's just an old BMW. Obviously I must be missing something.

Kawasicki

13,096 posts

236 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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By modern standards the old 6 series is a compact, fairly lightweight car. I had one, it was manual with a lsd and it felt very easy to drive hard. It didn't have much grip though, which was down to ancient Avon Turbospeed tyres that I couldn't wear down, no matter how hard I tried.

Krikkit

26,547 posts

182 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Scrof said:
Esceptico said:
Important bit of information missing from this piece: what is the current difference in value between the CSi and M car?
I don't like to get too carried away, but I reckon mine's probably worth around £10-12,000 now, although a Motorsport Edition with seriously low miles could fetch as much as £20k, I'd estimate.

As for M635s... rough guess at anywhere from £25k for a high-miler in need of tidying, right up to £65-70k for the best of the best. I have seen one advertised at over £100k, but the less said about that, the better - I don't think we're quite there yet!

To everyone else, ta for the positive comments!
A very nice, usable one here with wads of paperwork and looking near-minty for £30k.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1985-BMW-M635-CSI-E24-3...

Yours is very lovely, I suppose the elephant in the room with them these days is rust.

Scrof

197 posts

155 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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I spotted that one the other day as it happens - looks like a bit of a bargain to me if it's as good as it's cracked up to be. I'd expect to have seen it on sale for £5-10k more. I've seen people trying to charge that sort of money for super low-mileage Motorsport Edition 635CSis, which is frankly ludicrous.

smilo996

2,799 posts

171 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Always loved the 635, back in the days when they had that counter intuitive bonnet overhang, slightly aggressive, clean lines and a simple but very well made interior.

Glad it did not disappoint.

Any chance of upping the website hosting package to store large photos?

bigvanfan

378 posts

133 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Really good read thank you, I’ll have a black manual 635 in jps livery please

Bobo W

765 posts

253 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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The e28 was smaller, and felt smaller and more nimble on the road than the e24. It handled better as a result. Zipping across the North Yorkshire moors in that M5 remains one of my motoring highlights.

Edited by Gruber on Monday 12th March 14:41

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Interesting about the perception of size / handling as wasn't the M635CSI based on the E28 platform? So bar an extra 135mm overall length both cars had more or less identical footprints

HardMiles

320 posts

87 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I'm clearly in the minority, but I've never really got the fascination with these. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad looking car, but I have never really understood why so many endlessly wax lyrical about them. To me it's just an old BMW. Obviously I must be missing something.
Yeah, the thing you’re missing out on is having not driven one. I don’t know of another car, let alone a classic (perhaps a 928) that can waft down to Paris laden with family, or be redlined and sideways and have the ability to do both so well.

I have to disagree with the article in that mine had the LSD & it drifted like a king with the slush box. Using the manual override to 1,2 & 3 you could stick the tail out at your leisure! :-)

Utterly brilliant all rounder even by today’s standards, lord knows how good they’d have been back then!

interloper

2,747 posts

256 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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HardMiles said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
I'm clearly in the minority, but I've never really got the fascination with these. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad looking car, but I have never really understood why so many endlessly wax lyrical about them. To me it's just an old BMW. Obviously I must be missing something.
Yeah, the thing you’re missing out on is having not driven one. I don’t know of another car, let alone a classic (perhaps a 928) that can waft down to Paris laden with family, or be redlined and sideways and have the ability to do both so well.

I have to disagree with the article in that mine had the LSD & it drifted like a king with the slush box. Using the manual override to 1,2 & 3 you could stick the tail out at your leisure! :-)

Utterly brilliant all rounder even by today’s standards, lord knows how good they’d have been back then!
I hate to say it but I have to agree with the poster above, you need to drive one. I have driven an M635 breifly. It was fab, Good steering feel (which is surprising for a steering box car). Good ride quality, pretty classy interior and an epic engine. Rather hard to find any bad points really. I would happily have one as a daily if I could afford it.

fel71

477 posts

210 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Proper iconic 80's bmw, iv'e just put my '89 highline up for sale on 'car and classics' as i don't get much chance to use it, but after reading this i'm thinking that might be a mistake, ah well i'll see how many more 'best price mate' emails I can stomach before deciding to keep it forever.

Mr Tidy

22,450 posts

128 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Great article! thumbup

I liked the E24 back in the day, but as time goes by I find myself liking them more and more!

Sadly I've probably missed the boat in view of their current values, but I can always dream. laugh



Edited by Mr Tidy on Monday 12th March 22:12

Notanotherturbo

494 posts

208 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Found my 635Csi a bit too slow with the auto box and high mileage engine so I bought a rusty old E34 B10 and overhauled the engine added some tubular manifolds, swapped all the bits over and added some OE spec Alpina bits that didn't swap. So now have a manual E24 with a lovely torquey 260bhp people love it :0)