RE: VW Up GTI vs Mini Cooper

RE: VW Up GTI vs Mini Cooper

Friday 16th March 2018

VW Up GTI vs Mini Cooper

The Up GTI might be the best very small car you can buy. We brought a slightly larger one along to prove it



To hear Wolfsburg tell it, the Up GTI is the Mk1 Golf GTI reincarnate. It's small, you see - and light and simple and only modestly powerful, exclaims the bumf. Much like the Lupo GTI when it was new. That was the reincarnation of the Mk1, too, gasped Volkswagen. Fooey. Two decades have rolled by without the comparison becoming any less dubious. No matter what its dimensions, the Golf of the mid seventies was a family hatchback through and through. The GTI variant was a grown-up's car. Albeit with revolutionary bells and whistles.

A far more satisfying reference point for the go-faster Up, with its non-existent overhangs and its sophisticated handling and peppy engine, would be the BMC-era Mini Cooper. It, surely, ranks as the archetypal fast city car; patient zero in how to be spartan, primitive, tiny and terrific all at once. Of course Wolfsburg could no more allude to the Mini than Pepsi could to the originality of Coca-Cola, but it's fair to say that the Cooper's cherubic image has been coveted since long before it ceased production. BMW coveted it all the way to the bank after all, and then built a look-a-like monument to its timelessness.

Handily, today's Mini Cooper - a significant step down from the steroidal performance of the S model or JCW - is very good indeed. Like the GTI, it has a turbocharged three-cylinder engine, not to mention (in its best, cheapest format) three doors, a small boot and not quite enough room for anyone to sit in the back. Its list price is almost £2,000 more than the Up, sure - and it's slightly larger in every direction, but it's in the ballpark, and only 21hp more powerful.


Is it doing a significantly better job than the Up in channeling the spirit of John Newton Cooper? Well, it says much about the Up that it's easy to like right off the bat. Volkswagen can get a little stuffy when it comes to its most famous trim level, but inside the Up has few more airs and graces than high-spec stock model. There's a moneyed glint to the shinier bits of interior trim - and no mistaking the heated tartan seats or GTI-badged six-speed manual gearbox - otherwise it's fairly unassuming. Ditto an exterior which has gained 17-inch alloy wheels and a rear spoiler but nothing you'd think gaudy. If anything, it still resembles the Up a little too plainly: upright and boxy and a shade too spindly.

Lordy, though, does it give off the right vibe. The doors almost clang shut. It feels no more substantial than a fruit fly without being poorly or cheaply made. Big windows mean it's very light and airy. The 1.0-litre motor - an evolution of the existing EA211 unit, wheezes into life with a flimsy cough, but settles into an angry (admittedly piped-in) thrum. The pedals are square on like a piano's and spread almost evenly. There's virtually no weight to the gearshift at all. Nor is there much sensation of mass when moving away. It's all very Up: amenable, dainty, uncomplicated and unassuming.

Consequently, its impression of the stock car at low speeds is almost faultless, save for the engine note. Even on larger rims and a lower-by-15mm suspension, the GTI's chassis hardly seems concerned with tacking you down in any conventional baby hot hatch sense. A Twingo 133 Cup, it is most certainly not - nor even an Abarth 595. Rather it is springy and sprightly and loose-limbed. And because it is all these things, and guiltlessly thrashable to boot, its spell is considerable.


It is a charisma built from a certain kind of mechanical perkiness rather than outright speed. After all, the GTI is not, objectively-speaking, actually very fast at all. But it is keen and very vocal about it. In stark contrast to the standard Up (and there is much contrasting going on) it is energetic out of low revs - plainly the work of the blower - yet it does not seem overtly turbocharged; rather it is linear and zesty in a way that makes it feel mildly hyperactive without ever threatening to pin you against the seat backs.

That it conjures such relish from 115hp is of course due to the fact that with a waif of a driver aboard it weighs just 1070kg. Yours truly is no waif, it's true - nevertheless the wanton lack of mass is palpable in just about everything the GTI does well. This extends to the handling, of course, where the car's roller skate-style change of direction is delivered despite a amiable tendency to roll - as if it were all inherent to the teensy wheelbase and tiny-ish kerbweight alone.

Certainly the combination is compelling enough to fat-shame the Mini. The current Cooper has 136hp from its larger 1.5-litre three-pot and claims a full second advantage in the race to 62mph, although you wouldn't know it. There's a syrupy, so-so response from middling engine speeds - unaided by the economy-minded gear ratios and BMW's efforts to smother whatever offbeat raspiness there might have been - but surely cramped too by the additional 90kg or so it heaves around.


Not being prone to over-elaboration, Nik says it feels like a tank. Grown-up would be a fairer description, because while it is undeniably larger and heavier, there is also plenty of perceived heft plumbed into the Cooper - much of it to do with the model's premium-ended market position. The cabin quality duly reflects the difference in cost between the pair, so too the superior level of infotainment (the Mini wearing its adulterated iDrive system at part of the £1500 optional Media Pack; the Up having you make do with a phone holder and a modest 5-inch touchscreen).

The heavyset, fun-done-seriously attitude is prominent too in the way the Cooper rides and handles. Where the Up bounces and skips over the road like a particularly trim water boatman, the Mini tends to push down on it like a charging rhinoceros. The overdamped silliness of previous generations has largely been seen to - although the Cooper is still quite capable of making your head bob if you mismatch your speed to choppy terrain.

However, as it tends to, BMW's reasoning surfaces soon enough, and it hardly takes a full lap of the New Forest to figure out that the Mini's chassis is ultimately more capable than the Up's. That firm suspension is there to keep the body strictly in check while cornering, and while the GTI's track may have been made marginally wider than the standard version, the front end's resistance to understeer isn't nearly as staunch as the Cooper's. The Mini excels at turning in, and the weight and the positivity of its steering rack encourages plenty of liberty taking.


In the GTI there's no off-centre heft to help you along when your speeds are great and inputs small, and the car is less keen to tighten its line in sharp bends or carry as much speed through fast ones. It also fails to let a motorway journey pass by quite so peaceably or insulate you quite so well from the noise of the road or airflow. How much will you care? Potentially not a jot. More often than not, the Up undermines the Mini's broader talent by the simple, subjective act of being more fun - regardless of how lightly it wears its GTI status.

Over time BMW has turned its Cooper into the quintessential modern supermini: rounded, accomplished, quiet and obliging. A big car made small. But the sportiest Up makes its material superiority seem more like a millstone than an asset. This is about lightness, yes - but also light-heartedness. The GTI is louder, nimbler, cruder, quicker and cheaper - much cheaper. Not only to buy - although the spectacle of our press demonstrator's £21,760 price with options (versus £14,615 for the Up) does speak volumes about the perceived difference in class - but also to run, the GTI proving more economical than the Mini virtually across the board in the real world.

Does that make it a better Cooper, spiritually speaking? Not entirely. For a GTI, the car does undeniably spend rather too much of its time feeling less like a hot hatch and more like a stock Up - and while that often proves acceptable, it does eventually limit the thrill factor somewhat. Had Volkswagen deigned to tweak its turbocharged motor up to (or marginally beyond) the 125hp supplied to the Lupo GTI all those years ago, it might have delivered a more riveting replacement - or at least one capable of equalling 7.8 seconds to 62mph. Perhaps that version is to come. Until then we'll just have to accept the Up GTI for what it is. Which is just shy of bloody brilliant.

Mini Cooper - Specifications
Engine 1,499cc, 3-cyl turbocharged
Transmission six-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp) 136@4,500rpm
Torque (lb ft) 162@1,500rpm
0-62mph 7.9 sec
Top speed 130mph
Weight 1,160kg
MPG 56.5
CO2 105g/km
Price £15,485 (As tested £21,760 comprised of £750 for lapis luxury blue paint, £1,800 for Media pack XL, £105 for Mini Yours Sport leather steering wheel, £1,340 for Pepper pack, £100 for 16-inch victory spoke alloy wheels in black, £80 for bonnet stripes in white, £220 for darkened rear glass, £110 for Auto-dimming interior rearview mirror, £120 for Anthracite headlining, £670 for LED headlights and daytime running lights, £80 for first registration and number plates, £700 for delivery and £200 for RFL34)

 

Volkswagen Up! GTI - Specifications
Engine 999cc, 3-cyl turbocharged
Transmission six-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp) 115@5,000-5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft) 147@2,000-3,500rpm
0-62mph 8.8 sec
Top speed 122mph
Weight 1,070kg
MPG 58.9
CO2 110g/km
Price £13,750 (As tested £14,615 comprising £485 for Vodafone Protect and Connect 6 and £380 for city emergency braking pack)
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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JTN358AT

Original Poster:

137 posts

139 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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While I'm sure that these cars are good in their own way, I'd wait to see what the new Swift Sport is like first. For similar money, that car will be more powerful, better equipped, far lighter and from a manufacfurer that has always produced good pocket rockets.

macky17

2,212 posts

190 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Might be illuminating to compare it to a more closely priced fiesta 140 ecoboost as well - my guess is that the ford would spank it...

s m

23,262 posts

204 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Full road test of the Up GTI in Autocar next week

Bibbs

3,733 posts

211 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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NC listing towns again, instead of manufacturers..

Dafuq

371 posts

171 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Interesting, the idea of the UP GTi did excite me, but the reality seems a little flat.

I still have a stock UP in the garage, a remnant of the city sprints I needed to around a Sydney prior to moving out to the country. It's virtually unused now bar the odd weekend thrash into the local village down our Nurburgring esk road.

Can't bring myself to sell it, see, every journey is an event in the bog standard, thrash it to the red line in every gear, tyre squeezing corners, cheesy grin at probably very low speeds, by modern ludacris car capability standard.

But that's the thing, it reminds me some much of thrashing a bog standard original mini way back that it has won a place in my heart and I will proabbaly never get rid. More likely to lower it a touch and put a roll cage in it! 😁

culpz

4,884 posts

113 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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The little Up makes the Mini look like a right old lump in comparison! I'd definitely go for the GTI over the Cooper. I'm interested to know how Suzuki are managing to make their new Swift Sport lighter than the Up GTI though, seeing how the swift is clearly a bigger and better equipped car as standard.

Three-cylinder engines are starting to seem appealing to me. The new Fiesta ST is the main one on my radar. I know it's a different league in terms of performance and price tag, but i can almost guarantee that they will offer them on cheaper lease/PCP deals than VW have managed with this little VW so far.

s m

23,262 posts

204 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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JTN358AT said:
While I'm sure that these cars are good in their own way, I'd wait to see what the new Swift Sport is like first. For similar money, .
yes


That's the one I'm really interested to read the test on

bigvanfan

378 posts

133 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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I don’t really get Vw comparing it with the mk1 gti, I’m sure the golf was the fastest car Vw made when new so I’d say the up needs another 50bhp to interest me

Blackpuddin

16,595 posts

206 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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I've come down with a bug overnight which appears to be messing with my mind, trying to work out what this picture is? Genuine question. I mean, obviously it's the Mini's engine, but...

s m

23,262 posts

204 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Blackpuddin said:
I've come down with a bug overnight which appears to be messing with my mind, trying to work out what this picture is? Genuine question. I mean, obviously it's the Mini's engine, but...
Taken through a headlight recess presumably

wab172uk

2,005 posts

228 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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While 115 BHP is probably deemed a little too cold for the warm hatch market, once the tuners get hold of it, it's going to be a cracking car.

145-150 BHP, coil-overs, fruitier exhaust etc. It'll be a cracker. Currently have a Twingo 133 RS as a run-a-round. In 18-24 months time, I'll maybe pick up a Up GTI and have it straight into a tuners.

Toyoda

1,557 posts

101 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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s m said:
yes


That's the one I'm really interested to read the test on
Me too. The same engine in the much heavier Vitara S has had some good reviews and I gather there's a tiny bit more power being wrung out of it for the Swift Sport.


daveco

4,132 posts

208 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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JTN358AT said:
While I'm sure that these cars are good in their own way, I'd wait to see what the new Swift Sport is like first. For similar money, that car will be more powerful, better equipped, far lighter and from a manufacfurer that has always produced good pocket rockets.
And you also have the Seat Ibiza with the FR kit with the 115hp to contend with as well. 6 gears, about c.1150kg weight and £16k, one of the nicest handling hatchbacks you can buy if Parkers are to believed.

And for a little bit more you have the 1.5 with the 150hp engine, 0-60 time of 7.6.


Edited by daveco on Friday 16th March 09:25

Ron99

1,985 posts

82 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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JTN358AT said:
While I'm sure that these cars are good in their own way, I'd wait to see what the new Swift Sport is like first. For similar money, that car will be more powerful, better equipped, far lighter and from a manufacfurer that has always produced good pocket rockets.
I have the previous Swift Sport (2012-17) and I think it would be a better car on the broken surface of UK B-roads if the suspension was slightly softer, the tyres had slightly more sidewall and the car had a little more weight over the drive wheels because it's all too easy to end up skipping sideways on the rough road surfaces to the extent that my Insignia (4wd) can often take corners faster and be thrown into them with more confidence.

I fear the Up GTi and the new Swift Sport will have similar issues of oversize rims and firm suspension and therefore not entirely suited to UK B-roads, especially as those roads continue to get worse.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Interesting comparison, and one I made before ordering my up! GTI, although it was the 1499 GT version on the Mini I was interested in. I really liked the Mini, but ultimately it feels like a far more mature proposition than the up!, and the price difference is considerable. Had it been my only car the Mini would probably have edged it, but the size of the VW really appealed, it feels more chuckable, and more fun as a result. The Mini didn't really feel much faster, but I'd hazard a guess that that is because it is far more refined.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Ron99 said:
I fear the Up GTi and the new Swift Sport will have similar issues of oversize rims and firm suspension and therefore not entirely suited to UK B-roads, especially as those roads continue to get worse.
The suspension in the up! is actually quite soft. In fact the ride is one of the things that impressed me most.

Oh, and the new Swift is truly a dog. They've ruined what used to be a great looking car.

CO2000

3,177 posts

210 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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I wonder if the gearing on the UP is better than the Coopers, I drove a 2013 Cooper and the gearing was fine but on driving a 2017 new model one I found it so long geared, 30mph needs 3rd or chugging in 4th, my R53 prob sits in 6th better at 30 certainly 5th. Long gearing in a sporty car would put me off buying for sure.

kieranblenk

865 posts

135 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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I test drove a Mini Cooper before getting my Fabia Monte Carlo and it is a terrific little car to drive. The main reason I chose the slightly more sensible Skoda was I needed the rear seat space and bigger boot, plus it was about 5 grand cheaper by the time they were specced like for like. Next year when I'm looking for a replacement I will come back to the Mini probably, as well as the Up! However as other posters have said, the Swift Sport sounds like it could be a real threat to both cars. I'm not a fan of the new Fiesta or the new Ibiza styling wise, but we have a little 1.5 old shape Swift and it's a brilliant car to drive and own which warms me to the newer Suzuki - in 87k our little SZ4 has never put a foot wrong and has just needed consumables.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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D.no

706 posts

213 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Dafuq said:
Interesting, the idea of the UP GTi did excite me, but the reality seems a little flat.

I still have a stock UP in the garage, a remnant of the city sprints I needed to around a Sydney prior to moving out to the country. It's virtually unused now bar the odd weekend thrash into the local village down our Nurburgring esk road.

Can't bring myself to sell it, see, every journey is an event in the bog standard, thrash it to the red line in every gear, tyre squeezing corners, cheesy grin at probably very low speeds, by modern ludacris car capability standard.

But that's the thing, it reminds me some much of thrashing a bog standard original mini way back that it has won a place in my heart and I will proabbaly never get rid. More likely to lower it a touch and put a roll cage in it! ??
Nail. Head.

I bought a 60hp UP a few years ago to run to work (crappy mud-filled car park, where one has to get creative to find a space if arriving any later than 7am) instead of my R35 GT-R. I had more fun on the way home from collecting the UP than I'd had in 8 months of GT-R ownership. Seriously. It reminds me of being 18 again back in the 80's. There are 40k hard miles on the UP now, and it' still great fun and remarkably reliable given the constant larruping it gets (but I wish there was a way of switching the TC off!). The GT-R by contrast didn't stay for long after I got the UP as it seemed like a futile proposition in comparison - it was supposed to be the fun car, but the UP can be driven hard without risking a jail sentence, or upsetting anyone, and is a far more involving tool more of the time as a result.

As an extrapolation to this I really must look into getting a 2CV...