RE: Mazda CX-7: Spotted

RE: Mazda CX-7: Spotted

Thursday 22nd March 2018

Mazda CX-7: Spotted

A 260hp, four-wheel-drive family wagon for less than £3,000 bears closer scrutiny - even if it comes wrapped in an SUV body



There comes a point in all one's life when one must accept defeat of a sort, and alter one's vehicular choices, to a greater or lesser degree, to take account of the fruit of one's loins. For many people these days, that means the arrival of an SUV on the scene - usually one with a sensible diesel engine and the sort of boxy styling that places an emphasis on practicality.

But what if you choose not to choose your usual diesel child box? Well, how's about an SUV that hasn't just got style and character, but also a turbocharged petrol engine kicking out 260hp? One which combines all this with four-wheel drive and a smart interior laden with toys? Piqued your interest yet?


Suffice it to say, then, that the Mazda CX-7 isn't just another SUV. In fact, the chances are you haven't seen one on the road for months - maybe even years. There are less than 3,000 kicking around in the UK, of which only around 1,000 are the earlier petrol versions in which we're interested.

Why? Well, for starters, just look at it. It's terrific, isn't it? Not just 'for an SUV', either; the CX-7 is well-proportioned and genuinely appealing in its own right. There are loads of references to the contemporary RX-8 in there, too, from the bulging wings to the kinked window line and the circle-in-circle taillights.

The CX-7's beauty is more than skin deep, though. Mazda's trick of making a big car feel like a little one, which it honed with the 6 and CX-5, is in evidence here too; there's more than a sense of the hot hatch in the way the CX-7 changes direction. Meanwhile, that 2.3-litre turbo, pilfered from the MPS models of its time, provides more than adequate go - granted, it's not going to kick your average Audi RS4 in the teeth away from the lights, but it'll give you a significant amount more get-up-and-go than you can expect in your average diesel family slugger.


The problem is, of course, that this makes the CX-7 rather thirsty - don't reckon on seeing much more than 30mpg, even on a long run, and even less around town. Ouch. But don't worry, because there's man maths at work here - you see, this particular CX-7 we've found will set you back just £2,895. When you're getting so much car for so little money, surely you can budget for slightly higher fuel bills?

That money doesn't buy you a hound, either. A very reasonable 100k-ish mileage, a recent major service and a decent chunk of MOT left over all mean this example isn't the kind of thing you'd have to buy while burying your fingers in your ears and shouting 'la la la la la' very loudly.

In other words, not only does the CX-7 offer the antidote to the family-spec car buying blues, but it does so at a very tempting price, too. More than enough reason for a closer look, we say.


SPECIFICATION - MAZDA CX-7

Engine: 2,261cc, 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: six-speed manual
Power (hp): 260@6,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@4,000rpm
MPG: 27.7
CO2: 243
First registered: 2008
Recorded mileage: 106,000 miles
Price new: £23,960
Yours for: £2,895

See the original advert here.

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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Leggy but then again I'd be surprised if it were unreliable. Interior looks like it's worn well too!

defblade

7,434 posts

213 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Not so sure about the touch of hot hatch handling... the one I test drove rolled around just like an SUV, made it very difficult to feel like I could use the power in anything other than a straight line.

I wanted to like it, but just couldn't.

Bought a JDM Subaru Legacy GT Spec B instead - same power, 4wd, very similar space inside, but lower, lighter and nailed to the ground by Bilstein evil (although a bit less flash in terms of interior trim).

Cambs_Stuart

2,870 posts

84 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I had no idea these existed. Looks like a really interesting family transport choice.

rtz62

3,369 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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If this is the same engine as the MPS models, aren’t they known to have problems with stretching or failing timing chains?
Personal opinion is that it’s as ugly, and interesting, as a burst blister and I’d go with a Legacy as per the post above.

Jakarta

566 posts

142 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Piqued my interest so I checked prices over here.
No manuals or diesels available, all with the 2.3 engine.

Price range is £6-10k for 2008 model.

Linkey


Toyoda

1,557 posts

100 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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rtz62 said:
If this is the same engine as the MPS models, aren’t they known to have problems with stretching or failing timing chains?
Indeed, it's very unlikely to be a trouble free purchase.

andy43

9,722 posts

254 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Legacy/Outback/Forester would be my choice - the JDM turbo Legacys as above are supposed to be great, but a 3.0 six cylinder UK model would be nearly as good and easier to find. Spec B for Bilstein.
2008 Mazda is probably £500+ car tax - a nice pre 2006 Forester XT would give you nearly the same driving height, with a tunable and warbley flat four.
I'd go Tribeca if I wanted to be different, not sure if they're down to 3k yet though. Or CRV if you want 100% bulletproof, but not as quick.

Cambs_Stuart

2,870 posts

84 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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defblade said:
Not so sure about the touch of hot hatch handling... the one I test drove rolled around just like an SUV, made it very difficult to feel like I could use the power in anything other than a straight line.

I wanted to like it, but just couldn't.

Bought a JDM Subaru Legacy GT Spec B instead - same power, 4wd, very similar space inside, but lower, lighter and nailed to the ground by Bilstein evil (although a bit less flash in terms of interior trim).
Snap. I also went for a JDM legacy gt, blitzen spec for my family transport/daily driver duties. Capable of carrying a couple of mountain bikes, or a drum kit and a digital piano plus children and at the same time a very entertaining drive for a big car.

Edited by Cambs_Stuart on Thursday 22 March 09:05

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Jakarta said:
Piqued my interest so I checked prices over here.
No manuals or diesels available, all with the 2.3 engine.

Price range is £6-10k for 2008 model.

Linkey
Funnily enough they were only produced as a manual in the UK. Looking for a 4x4 myself at the moment and these looked interesting until I found out there was no auto option as my partner simply refuses to change gears by herself.

andy43 said:
I'd go Tribeca if I wanted to be different, not sure if they're down to 3k yet though. Or CRV if you want 100% bulletproof, but not as quick.
Looked as the Tribeca too, an awful lot of car for the money and the styling isn't as offensive as I remember it being on release. Gearboxes are allegedly very prone to breaking though so had to be ruled out as well.

Off to see a Rav4 and a CRV today. It will be between one of these, a Lexus RX or an X-trail depending on which I can find in the best condition within my budget.

Wildcat45

8,073 posts

189 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Our CX-7 has been with us since new - I peeled the protective plastic off it just after it came off the transporter back in 2007.

Back then we were set to get a new Outback, but the CX tipped the balance in that it was a new design.

We change our main car every couple of years but kept this in front line service for five years for the simple reason that we loved it. A minor accident on black ice requiring it to be out of commission for a couple of weeks prompted its replacement with a then new Freelander2.

We got it back and really couldn't bear to part with it but it was surplus to requirements so it now lives in retirement with my FIL.

There is no intention to replace it and while the Freelander and subsequent two Discovery Sports are great, none can match the Mazda for that combination of decent performance, space and practicality.

It carried all our gear, whether shopping holidaying or trips to the dump. It lapped up regular high speed cross country 130 mile runs between Newcastle and Galloway and never got stuck in those big snows we had around 2010. As happy on a motorway as it was on a Scottish farm track it attracted - and still attracts - admiring glances and curious questions as to what it is from fellow drivers when filling up.

Filling up is a regular event but the pay off it a decent dollop of performance and a sweet silky smooth engine. Silky smooth? OK, I'm exaggerating, but no matter how good, clever and modern JLR's Ingenium diesels are, they are still rattly, smelly-fuelled lumps that with the milage on my current DS at 2.5K, regularly scream out to be filled with synthetic piss to keep emissions down.

As for reliability. The CX ate its turbo when new. It was fixed. Apart from wear and tear items, a replacement for a spectacularly stone cracked screen and some suspension bits following the black ice incident, it's fine.

The wheels were poor quality. Paint flaking off. They were fixed twice under warranty and after a further refurb my FIL swapped them for some aftermarket wheels which aren't to my taste.

Step into it from a 2018 Discovery Sport and it does feel old. Its a design from 2006/7 but the interior is still impressive, with a great Bose sound system, leather seats and heaps of storage.

Now and then I find an excuse to take it out and stretch its legs on the Northumberland back roads we once played on when we were both a decade younger.

I love this car.




When new




A couple of years old


5 years old - Usurped by a New Landy


Into its 11th year. Dubious wheels and shiny door handles not to my taste, but it'll still do things it's 2018 replacement x 3 won't. Plus it's spent a lot less time in the workshop.

Edited by Wildcat45 on Thursday 22 March 09:55

rodericb

6,743 posts

126 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Jakarta said:
Piqued my interest so I checked prices over here.
No manuals or diesels available, all with the 2.3 engine.

Price range is £6-10k for 2008 model.

Linkey
These would have been pretty exxy in Indo when new yeah? Imported so it would have copped that ~100% import duty.

Cupramax

10,480 posts

252 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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They would have shifted loads of these but for the £520 a year tax. Real killer on a £3k car.

BFleming

3,606 posts

143 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I knew these existed, but I also know they didn't sell many for the first couple of years as they were petrol only. The damage was done, and when the Diesel came in late 2009 (along with a facelift) sales didn't improve much. They sold about 1200 petrols and 1800 Diesels. All had 5 seats only, so there's another demograph excluded. They killed it completely in 2012 when the CX5 came along. Fresh start & all that.
A car designed for school runs in the US; they had no place in Europe.

captain_cynic

12,004 posts

95 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Toyoda said:
rtz62 said:
If this is the same engine as the MPS models, aren’t they known to have problems with stretching or failing timing chains?
Indeed, it's very unlikely to be a trouble free purchase.
Not to mention the turbo's oil seals.

My sister has one in Australia, they're sluggish and unwieldy due to their weight and high COG. As others have mentioned, better off getting the Subaru Legacy if you want faster shopping and school runs.

Wildcat45

8,073 posts

189 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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captain_cynic said:
Not to mention the turbo's oil seals.

My sister has one in Australia, they're sluggish and unwieldy due to their weight and high COG. As others have mentioned, better off getting the Subaru Legacy if you want faster shopping and school runs.
Oil seals which should have been fixed under warranty a decade ago.

I don't get the sluggish and unweildy bit. I mean, its not a sports car. What car are you measuring it by?

I agree that it's not a car designed for the UK market. A Yank Soccer Mom car in many ways. It feels like it may benefit from an auto box, but for the use ours got a manual was perfect.

gmaz

4,400 posts

210 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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The 2.3 DISI engine does suffer from VVT actuator problems at about 60K miles and is £700 ish to fix. Tax is ridiculous but apart from that, a decent quick SUV that can easily be mapped to 290bhp on standard bits.

captain_cynic

12,004 posts

95 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Wildcat45 said:
Oil seals which should have been fixed under warranty a decade ago.
No guarantee that it's actually been done. The biggest issue with that is that there is absolutely no warning before they go and you've cooked the turbo.

Wildcat45 said:
I don't get the sluggish and unweildy bit. I mean, its not a sports car. What car are you measuring it by?
Compared to a non-turbo Impreza. Massive amounts of body roll and very slow off the line. This one had the auto transmission which was quite dimwitted, so I imagine you could do better with a manual.

Wildcat45 said:
I agree that it's not a car designed for the UK market. A Yank Soccer Mom car in many ways. It feels like it may benefit from an auto box, but for the use ours got a manual was perfect.
It was definitely designed for the North American market but that's where Mazda does a lot of its sales. The CX-3 was more Euro oriented.

General Apathy

2 posts

73 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I test drove one of these back in '09 when I was shortlisting potential buys, along with a Nissan Murano (less said the better) and the Subaru Outback 3.0R I ended up buying. It was a quite lovely drive and certainly better to drive than an A4 of the same era. In the end, the other half's insistence on a slush box meant we opted for the Outback (which we still have) but I have nothing bad to say about the CX7.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Swat

43 posts

77 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I run a 2012 CX7 diesel. I do 500 miles a week to work placements as an aerospace contractor. it's ideal for long motorway hikes. lovely comfy leather chairs and enough comforts I get 42+mpg as long as I don't go mad - go much above 75mph & you can see avg. fuel consumption drop.

Downsides.
If you drop off turbo boost (i.e roundabouts) you can feel the weight until the turbo spools up. Boot isn't that big considering size of car. Main issue ADBLUE
I get the low adblue light coming on (again this week) despite the tank being nearly full, it suddenly decides theres only enough Adblue for 500 miles & puts the engine management light on - keep driving & when the adblue range drops to 320 miles it goes into 'Limp Home' mode.
The DIY fix is to disconnect battery, wait 10 mins & reconnect, this resets the gauge to 500 mile range & if you are lucky, after a few stops & starts, the EM & Ablue warning lights go out. If they don't its a trip to my local 'Indy' jap car garage to get them turned off.
Looks like its a faulty level sensor, Main dealer answer "you need a new adblue tank mate, that'll be £1200 plus..."

Annoying issue that spoils an otherwise good car (neighbour has a LR velar & thinks the CX7 is a nicer place to be)