RE: Rolls-Royce Phantom: PH Used Buying Guide

RE: Rolls-Royce Phantom: PH Used Buying Guide

Thursday 22nd March 2018

Rolls-Royce Phantom: PH Used Buying Guide

The seventh generation Phantom was an entirely new Rolls-Royce. And all the better for it...



From the fug of BMW and Volkswagen divvying up Bentley and Rolls-Royce, luxury car buyers ended up with a clearer choice when the Phantom was launched in 2003. Rolls-Royce's parent company took a very deliberate step away from the sporty pretension of its conjoined twin and pressed even further upmarket.

It was a bold move, but one that ultimately paid off as the seventh generation to bear the Phantom name proved to be not only a hit with wealthy buyers but also very good to drive. For many customers though, it was more about the experience of buying and owning the Rolls than any marked improvement in ride comfort or refinement compared to its nearest rivals. Most owners would already have a Mercedes S-Class or BMW 7 Series for more mundane duties, so the Phantom was as much about occasion as ability.

Even so, the Roll-Royce immediately impressed with its hushed cabin and cosseting suspension, and, in its standard wheelbase format, offered a surprising amount of agility for a car which tipped the scales at 2560kg. An aluminium platform and body panels helped to keep the kerbweight halfway respectable, while the 460hp 6.75-litre V12 could take the Phantom from rest to 62mph in 6.0 seconds and on to 149mph.


It all helped to soften the blow of a list price that started at £214,500 when the Phantom was launched in 2003. No Rolls-Royce customer would have signed a cheque for that amount though as the options list was even longer than the car itself. Among most buyers treats would be an upgraded exterior colour, bespoke leather, wood and stitching for the cabin, and gadgets such as sat-nav and Bluetooth connections.

Rolls-Royce added an extended wheelbase version in 2005 with an extra 250mm of rear leg room, while a Phantom Drophead Coupe arrived in April 2006 based on the 100EX concept car. Lastly, a Coupe pitched up in early 2008. After that, the only major change to the Phantom line was a Series II update in mid-2012 that brought adaptive LED headlights, revised dials with a larger main screen and an eight-speed automatic transmission in place of the original six-speeder.

Now replaced by the Phantom VIII, the seventh generation model looks like strong value in comparison when you can pick one up from £75,000. That will be for a high mileage example, so £100,000 is the real starting point for immaculate, lower miles cars from independent specialists, while Series II models begin at £150,000. Starting money for the Drophead Coupe is £135,000 and the Coupe will set you back a little more at around £140,000. Go for an Extended Wheelbase saloon and you'll pay from £125,000.

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Bodywork and interior

Door locks can fail to proceed, but a new solenoid should sort this.
Expect immaculate paintwork. Body panels are made of aluminium so can be tricky to repair and a new from wing is £2,200 from Flying Spares plus painting.
Leather and trim wear very well, but check stitching along seams for signs of fraying.

Engine and transmission

Cam covers can seep oil and means new gaskets are needed.
Fuel injectors fail on early Phantoms and cost £165 each plus fitting. Listen for any uneven running as a warning sign.
A misfire may also be caused by a faulty pressure control valve. The V12 has two of these and they should be replaced every four years to prevent oil vapour entering the air intake.
Radiator leaks are common on pre-2008 models, so look for any fluid pooled underneath the car or dripping from the undertray.
The pipe that runs from the water pump to the engine block also leaks. A Rolls-Royce dealer will charge £9,000 to cure this, but a complete collapsible pipe replacement kit is available from Flying Spares for £1,344 and fitting should take the total bill to around £2,000 at an independent.
Two batteries are used in the Phantom - one for the engine, the other for auxiliary systems. Make sure both are in good condition by using a multimeter or ask a garage to perform a voltage drop test. New batteries are £130 apiece.


Suspension and steering

Rolls-Royce fitted all Phantoms with air suspension and it can develop leaks with age. Make sure the car sits level at the correct height. Replacement air bags are expensive but Arnott Air Suspension Products offers a refurbishment service.
Ball joints have a lot to deal with because of the Phantom's weight, so listen for any clonks. It's also worth asking a mechanic to check for any play.

Wheels, tyres and brakes

Rolls issued a recall for the brake servo for cars built between the start of 2003 and end of 2009, so make sure it's logged in the service record.
The Phantom weighs 2,560kg, so brakes get a work out. New front discs and pads will set you back £1,000 plus fitting.

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ROLLS-ROYCE PHANTOM VII

Engine: 6,749cc, V12
Transmission: 6/8-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 460@5,350rpm
Torque (lb ft): 531@3,500rpm
MPG: 17.8/10.2
CO2: 385/349g/km
Price new: £214,500
Price now: £75,000 upwards

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dgmx5

Original Poster:

151 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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It has been said before, but these new style guides are little more than click-bait.

I look at how few comments articles are receiving, the general tenor of the comments by some of the trolling contributors, the snide comments about being geeky expressed about contributors who genuinely know their stuff and have the audacity to write it in a post and this site seems a far cry from the early days. Some of the issues here are not of Pistonheads making, but not sure how to reverse the decline to bring it back to its sparkling best.

Pistonheads... not even pedantry matters anymore

MDL111

6,935 posts

177 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I really want one of these - running costs actually seem halfway sensible judging by the above (at non RR dealers that is)

Honeywell

1,374 posts

98 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Nice review. I’d actually consider a used Phantom. That an an MX5 covers most bases for me.


MalcolmSmith

1,726 posts

75 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I’m pretty sure that 2 batteries at 130 bucks a piece are pretty low on the list of things to check on one of these bad boys.

I do like them, far better than any Bentley, but anything less than immaculate gives a bad impression.

simonbamg

767 posts

123 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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or wait a couple of years and get a Phantom VIII

rolando

2,149 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Any self-respecting owner would abbreviate the make to "Royce".

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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MalcolmSmith said:
I’m pretty sure that 2 batteries at 130 bucks a piece are pretty low on the list of things to check on one of these bad boys.

I do like them, far better than any Bentley, but anything less than immaculate gives a bad impression.
Yep, buy and drop it in to your man to fit a couple of batteries, if it was an early car may as well get the injectors done too.

As said above the new-format guides are rubbish. OK we get interesting variation (a Rolls, natch), but they're about as much use as a chocolate teapot if you actually wanted to buy one.

Agent XXX

1,248 posts

106 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Will never ever forget being in a Caterham on a slow moving M25 back in 2004 when one of these behemoths cruised up alongside and seemed to go on for ever, and ever, and ever!

Epic car and a DHC would seriously be on my lottery list.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Agent XXX said:
Will never ever forget being in a Caterham on a slow moving M25 back in 2004 when one of these behemoths cruised up alongside and seemed to go on for ever, and ever, and ever!

Epic car and a DHC would seriously be on my lottery list.
The only BMW that you'd consider?

IanCress

4,409 posts

166 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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dgmx5 said:
It has been said before, but these new style guides are little more than click-bait.
I disagree, I actually find it quite interesting reading about something different. A buyers guide on a Ford Fiesta would be incredibly dull to anyone other than someone in the market for one. A buyers guide on a Rolls or a Ferrari is quite interesting, if only to find out how wallet emptyingly expensive it would be to run one.

cptsideways

13,545 posts

252 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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The Phantom Coupe aka "The Eccentrics Express" is on my lottery win list, the least produced variant of them all & an Aviator edition preferably cloud9

My favourite bit on all of the earlier ones is the clocks & fonts, straight from a WWII Spitfire, the Coupe gets the design nod on the quarter light design too.

Thankfully I don't have to wish for one in a lottery win, I get to drive more miles in these than most biggrin

Agent XXX

1,248 posts

106 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Shakermaker said:
Agent XXX said:
Will never ever forget being in a Caterham on a slow moving M25 back in 2004 when one of these behemoths cruised up alongside and seemed to go on for ever, and ever, and ever!

Epic car and a DHC would seriously be on my lottery list.
The only BMW that you'd consider?
Yep. Though the old man's new i8 is fun. Ugly as f*** but fun.

Rossco2010

133 posts

168 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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This suggests that for my 215 grand, Sat Nav and Bluetooth would be ‘extras’....really?!

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Rossco2010 said:
This suggests that for my 215 grand, Sat Nav and Bluetooth would be ‘extras’....really?!
Of course!

Ninja59

3,691 posts

112 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Agent XXX said:
Yep. Though the old man's new i8 is fun. Ugly as f*** but fun.
My god the day has come where something positive has been said about not one but TWO BMW Group products by yourself!

Davey S2

13,096 posts

254 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Good value now when you consider one PHer specced an additional £150K's worth of options on his last Phantom

Agent XXX

1,248 posts

106 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Ninja59 said:
My god the day has come where something positive has been said about not one but TWO BMW Group products by yourself!
laugh

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Rossco2010 said:
This suggests that for my 215 grand, Sat Nav and Bluetooth would be ‘extras’....really?!
Back in 2003, yes.

Sandpit Steve

10,037 posts

74 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Didn’t Chris Harris buy one of these last year - then quickly get rid after he realised what a massive money pit it was?

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

116 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Shakermaker said:
Rossco2010 said:
This suggests that for my 215 grand, Sat Nav and Bluetooth would be ‘extras’....really?!
Of course!
Surly Jeeves the driver would know where he is going and can answer the phone?