RE: Shed of the Week: Fiat Coupe

RE: Shed of the Week: Fiat Coupe

Friday 23rd March 2018

Shed of the Week: Fiat Coupe

Don't let the idea of wayward front springs put you off Fiat's dainty Coupe. We've even forgiven the absence of a turbo...



Going to the cinema is a far more sanitary pursuit now than it was in Shed's long-lost courting days. The sort of strokes young men used to pull back then, up to and including the notorious 'holed popcorn box on the lap' routine, wouldn't be tolerated these days. To be honest, they weren't really tolerated in those days either, but that didn't stop folk trying.

What did generally quench the flames of ardour in the pictures was the sight of what appeared to be giant pubic hairs twitching on the screen whenever the ad for the local kebab shop came on before the main feature. You don't get them on today's digital presentations of course, which Shed thinks is a missed trick when it comes to the warmth, humour and overall richness of the external media experience.

This only comes up as a topic of conversation because our Shed, a remarkably solid-looking low-miles Fiat Coupé, might need new front springs. A quick look online reveals that some of the replacements that you can get for this car bear a surprising resemblance to those fondly-remembered faux-pubes. Or, at the very least, to bedsprings from an exploded mattress.


As noted earlier, last October's MOT mentioned corroded front coils on the list of advisories. The MOT fails relating to excessive ball joint play on both sides of the front suspension, dodgy numberplates and a rear exhaust blow were obviously sorted, and you'd like to think that the other advisories - a nail in one of the rear tyres and an engine oil leak - have also been fettled. A new tyre won't break the bank if it hasn't. If the oil leak is from the rocker cover, as it usually is on these 16V 2.0-litre lumps, the solution could be something as simple as replacing the gasket with a newer-type rubber one.

Once you're happy that your Coupé is of sound wind and body, you can get on with enjoying the subtle ownership pleasures of this uniquely-styled Bangle/Pininfarina creation with its headlamp lenses shaped to resemble a woman's posterior region. Eeehh, you Italians!

The appearance on the forum of posts pointing out the superiority of the Turbo five over the n/a four is guaranteed, and there'd certainly be no arguing about that from a performance perspective: the Turbo breezes through the 0-60 sprint in six and a bit seconds and thramps on to 155mph, whereas the 16V takes three seconds longer for the 0-60 and tops out at 129mph.


But that's still decent enough performance for a style-mobile like this, especially when you bear in mind the fact that the non-turbo four motor doesn't have the quite the same reputation for snapping its crankshaft, or its appetite for oil (leaks excluded). If a 16-valver cuts out for no apparent reason, the non-apparent reason could be a faulty crank position sensor, which is another easy fix. It might be even easier than that, and just loose battery leads.

What else can go wrong? Well, cambelt replacement isn't that quick or easy (though it is somewhat harder still on the five-cylinder cars). Coupés can be a tad greedy for tyres, and the old-fashioned pursuit of tyre-swapping is worth reviving to stave off uneven wear.

Bonnet struts break on pre-'98 cars like this one, owing to daft design. The alarm system can give trouble too, and anything electronic needs more than a hard glance. Importantly, there is no mention of rust anywhere, either by the owner or by MOT testers down the years, and the all-important red master key is included in the sale. Try and buy one of these for less than a king's ransom and you'll see why it's all-important.

We like the originality of this car, right down to its cassette player. Whether that works or not is unknown, but if it does you can get out all your Bay City Rollers tapes and remember the good times before, after and indeed during the Bay City Rollers' heyday.

The owner says that the car's 69,506 miles won't increase, but Shed thinks that's quite a pessimistic prediction. He reckons it's good for plenty more miles yet.

See the full advert here

1 previous owner from new
69506 miles and won’t increase
MOT until Oct 18
Electric Sunroof / windows / mirrors 

Totally original incl cassette player


 

 

 

Author
Discussion

Trickytimes

Original Poster:

32 posts

188 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I had a new Turbo in Sprint Blue in 1997 and it had a number of electrical gremlins then so god knows what they are like after 20 years! That said they still look great today.

mrpenks

368 posts

155 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I loved my 3 Coupes. I also hated them. Mine were 5cyl turbos. Amazingly fun but amazingly frail. I gave up and got a surprisingly reliable GTV V6 instead. I miss that too.


wal 45

662 posts

180 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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These are great cars and I deeply regret selling mine a couple of years ago, drove it for 9 years and it never ever let me down. Practical, reasonably fast, a pleasure to own and most of all fun.

I'd personally stick with a 20V variant rather than one of these 16V ones, this is a proper rare version though being a 16V non turbo with literally a handful left on the road. Always liked the green they did on these early cars as well.

My only reservation with this would be 16V specific parts availability, struggled with some on my 20V towards the end so imagine this will somewhat harder. Great shed and I can't recommend a Fiat Coupe strongly enough.....I need another one.

JoeBolt

272 posts

162 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I've always liked these.
This one, a non-modified 16v NA seems to be one to keep and maintain in its present condition in the hope it will increase in value.

Something interesting in the MOT history: -
It failed on number plate letter spacing in 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017.
What the hell were the owners thinking, continually putting it in for tests with dodgy plates?

bangerturner

157 posts

222 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I did a clutch in a turbo one of these once...I can honestly say that if you offered me £2000 to do another I'd turn you down!

Limpet

6,310 posts

161 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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bangerturner said:
I did a clutch in a turbo one of these once...I can honestly say that if you offered me £2000 to do another I'd turn you down!
Haven't had that pleasure, but if it's anything like the 156 V6, I know exactly where you are coming from.

Nigel_O

2,889 posts

219 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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There are less than 50 of this version of the Coupe still on the road - how rare does a car have to get before rarity value pushes prices up?

I had a 16v non-turbo Coupe for a while (as well as a highly-modified 20v turbo Plus) - the handling of the 16v was really sweet with the lighter lump up front and the power wasn't really capable of overwhelming the front tyres.

Probably the most under-valued and under-rated of all the Coupe line-up. I still prefer the grunt of the 'halo' model though, but if I had the room, I'd have another 16v in a flash.






Not in green though.......


anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I was in my early 20s when these came out and the company director's son turned up in a brand new blue 20V Turbo one day. He was telling me how well it drove and I had no reason to disbelieve him. I was more impressed by how ugly it was.

20 years later and I've mellowed with age. I listen to new music, eat new food, have new friends and hold different opinions.

I still can't get over how ugly these are though. Front and rear are okay, it's just the large bit in the middle connecting the two ends that makes me queasy.

M1C

1,833 posts

111 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I couldnt ever call these ugly.

I think this is a great shed and a keeper to cherish! Getting very rare now!

I went to the NEC show soon after these were launched and it was stunning and totally different to anything else there.

JMF894

5,504 posts

155 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Limpet said:
bangerturner said:
I did a clutch in a turbo one of these once...I can honestly say that if you offered me £2000 to do another I'd turn you down!
Haven't had that pleasure, but if it's anything like the 156 V6, I know exactly where you are coming from.
Or my 2.4 jtd Marea Weekend.............

Vitorio

4,296 posts

143 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Nigel_O said:
There are less than 50 of this version of the Coupe still on the road - how rare does a car have to get before rarity value pushes prices up?

I had a 16v non-turbo Coupe for a while (as well as a highly-modified 20v turbo Plus) - the handling of the 16v was really sweet with the lighter lump up front and the power wasn't really capable of overwhelming the front tyres.

Probably the most under-valued and under-rated of all the Coupe line-up. I still prefer the grunt of the 'halo' model though, but if I had the room, I'd have another 16v in a flash.






Not in green though.......
A proper chassis is a proper chassis and will be fun to drive, even without loads of POWERRRRRRRR

viggyp

1,917 posts

135 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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There's a red N plate NA 16v around my area which I only saw recently as don't usually delve into those parts.

Saying that, my daily is a Scots green S plate 20VT which I love. Loves to be hammered and likes to take it easy also. Yes, it's had its fair share of faults as I bought it minus an engine so work had to be done. Apparently, these were hand built at Pininfarina and I think mine was built by a one armed person as it rattles and squeaks more than a London bus. My mate has an identical one and his must have been built by a German.

People often point and stare at it with kids wondering what it is. Even if people don't like the looks, I don't care as it really is a nice car to drive.


Nigel_O

2,889 posts

219 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Vitorio said:
A proper chassis is a proper chassis and will be fun to drive, even without loads of POWERRRRRRRR
Ah - despite me being a full-on Coupe enthusiast, I'd struggle to call the Coupe a "proper chassis". Yes, it can be made to handle exceptionally well, but it takes a fair bit of thought and consideration, as well as a few quid (I've probably spent about £4k making my 20vt stop and steer properly)

As with most coupes of the era, it was based on a fairly mundane family hatchback and suffered accordingly.

The Coupe uses basic MacPhersons & wishbones up front and trailing arms at the rear, so its hardly cutting edge. Hondas from the same era had a significantly more sophisticated suspension setup.

As for power, I agree that a low power Coupe is still fun to drive, but a big-power coupe has another dimension entirely and of course the slug of torque from a forced induction lump can also make for very relaxed driving (TBH, the 16v is a bit "busy" when pressing on - 3,500rpm at 70 mph, if I remember correctly)


SpunkyM

250 posts

244 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Going back about 10 years now but I had a grey 20VT for 4 years from 42K to 74K miles and it never missed a beat. Not once. Probably the most reliable thing I ever owned. Guess I was lucky. I did start to get a tiny bit of corrosion on the aluminium rear light surrounds but that was it.

It always turned lots of heads, and a simple passive bleed valve mod gave me a reliable 1.1bar of boost in every gear. I absolutely loved it.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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M1C said:
I couldnt ever call these ugly.

I think this is a great shed and a keeper to cherish! Getting very rare now!

I went to the NEC show soon after these were launched and it was stunning and totally different to anything else there.
I appreciate it for the very reason it's looks are polarising, it shows a confidence in the design. They simply aren't to my taste – I'm not adverse to challenging looks on cars; the Alfa SZ is stunning in it's brutality. The Coupe, in green and to my eyes, looks like a squashed frog drawn on an Etch-a-Sketch.

Mr E

21,616 posts

259 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I very nearly bought a 20v turbo years ago (a yellow one).

The only difficulty was that I drove it for the second time in the pouring rain and it was ‘interesting’. I then drove something with similar performance but with 4wd and kind of decided on the spot.

I still wish I’d bought the coupe occasionally.

JoeBolt said:
Something interesting in the MOT history: -
It failed on number plate letter spacing in 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017.
What the hell were the owners thinking, continually putting it in for tests with dodgy plates?
My lotus has failed about 5 in a row on the front plate. It gives them something to fail it on and keeps the stats happy. They then take the full size out of the boot, Velcro it on and pass it.
I remove the full size and put it back in the boot on collection.

Mind you, this is the car that once failed an MOT because the passenger door didn’t open from the outside.
I enquired if they’d unlocked it, with a metal thing called a key.
They passed it shortly afterwards and were a bit sheepish when i picked it up.

(I no longer have a small plate on the front of this car)


Lotusgone

1,189 posts

127 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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DrSteveBrule said:
I appreciate it for the very reason it's looks are polarising, it shows a confidence in the design. They simply aren't to my taste – I'm not adverse to challenging looks on cars; the Alfa SZ is stunning in it's brutality. The Coupe, in green and to my eyes, looks like a squashed frog drawn on an Etch-a-Sketch.
Agreed. Ugliest car since the Daimler Dart and a horrible colour too. Why have this when you could have a GTV, even the 2 litre?

BFleming

3,606 posts

143 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I'll add to the 'almost bought' stories. I almost bought a brand new Coupe with the 1.8 16V lump (131bhp) back in 1997. It was in the light metallic blue, complete poverty spec (not that the options list was very long to start with - I still have it somewhere) and looked amazing. Due to factors beyond my control, I bought a 6 month old 316i Compact instead. The Fiat felt 'flexible', not well screwed together, and I knew it would be a labour of love. As a daily commuter, the Fiat would have been impractical. I looked at a GTV at the time too, and viewed one at a main dealer on a wet day. I was greeted with 6 inches of water in the passenger footwell. That was a No too.
I still love the shape, but I find they're a very colour-dependent car. This green does nothing for them. I'm not keen on the bright red either. For me it would have to be dark met red, silver or the aforementioned light met blue. And broom yellow too of course!
Great shed this week, best yet (maybe)!

J4CKO

41,562 posts

200 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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A mate of mine has a pretty much immaculate yellow one that his mum had and left in a (dry, heated) garage, he recommissioned it and used it for a bit but now isnt sure what to do with it.

I had a drive and enjoyed it,retro enough to have some interest and a bit of character but still modern enough to use daily if you keep on top of things, it rides really nicely on the 16 inch wheels and handles tidily, there isnt that performance you get from the turbo models but it moves ok, quite a characterful engine.

I would have it for a weekend car but dont have any space, I see what other cars are going for and am amazed you can still get a modern classic like this, in good order for not much more than a grand, even the turbos arent expensive, I suppose a yellow 16v turbo is the nearest you are going to get to an Integrale for a couple of grand, its Italian, yellow, distinctive and has the same engine ! but one is 30k plus and the other 15 times less, for those on a budget its a hell of a lot of pretty special car.

I think these have lasted long enough to not be called shed with all that entails, they have passed through the shed phase, any decent ones now should be treated more as classics.

Alex_225

6,263 posts

201 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I have always thought these were great looking cars, I know they're pretty rapid as well but that's as far as my knowledge goes.

Mad to think they're 20 years old now but still an interesting looking car now. smile