Audi R8 RWS vs Porsche 911 GT3
The rear-wheel-drive R8 is a departure for Audi Sport. How best to measure its success? Robin, meet Batman
But within the boardrooms and offices of Audi Sport, the R8 RWS must seem like an enormous gamble. In fact, we know it's an enormous gamble for Audi because it's taken the company twelve years to take it. For one thing, building a rear-wheel drive version of a halo model undermines the core brand value Audi has spent the last few decades cultivating. If we all drive the RWS and say it's more enjoyable than the existing R8, what on earth does that say about Quattro? It's like Tesla turning its back on batteries and electric motors altogether and fitting its next model with a stinking great V8 instead.
By unbolting the standard R8's four-wheel drive gubbins, Audi has removed 50kg. It couldn't trim that same amount out again if it ditched the powered leather seats in favour of two beanbags and replaced every square inch of glass with clingfilm. There's no dynamic steering and no adaptive damping, and the differential is a very unsophisticated mechanical LSD. The engine is the lesser of the two 5.2-litre normally aspirated V10s, but it's still good for 540hp and 398lb ft. All things considered, this is the R8 at its simplest and most uncluttered since the original was retired three years ago.
Invariably, it'll be the edgiest R8, too, the one that demands the most of its driver. In a bid to make the RWS anything other than a widow-maker for the modern era, though, Audi has tweaked the suspension geometry and fitted a stiffer front anti-roll bar. Rear-wheel drive makes the R8 a little more dangerous; dialling in a smidge more understeer makes it a bit safer again.
You don't so much feel the extra push that's been dialled into the chassis as sense the front tyres just starting to scrub as you really stretch the R8 out. Nor has disconnecting the front axle turned the R8 into some murderous oversteer machine. There's so much inherent traction, even in the lower gears, that you're trying extremely hard to unstick the thing before it starts to slide.
But we aren't here to compare the RWS to any other R8. At first you might say the Audi is every bit as thrilling as the 911 GT3, because it's just as fast and it makes its own ear-splitting soundtrack, but when you chop and change between the two and drive each car across the same stretch of road, the gulf between them begins to emerge.
The Audi does have the more fluid low speed ride, but at higher speeds that manifests as looser body control and slightly fluffier responses. The GT3 steers with more tactility, too, and its engine is more feral and intoxicating. For all that the RWS is the most rewarding model in the R8 range, it is made to feel rather half-hearted in the company of the 911 GT3. It's like jumping out of an aeroplane with an instructor strapped to your back compared to a solo jump.
In all fairness to Audi Sport, though, it didn't set out to build a car as single-minded as a GT3. But if you introduce a sports car with a naturally aspirated engine that develops something like 500hp, then charge around £110,000 for it, you invite the comparison. You couldn't write a series of novels about an English super-spy who carries a Walther PPK and penetrates as many secret volcano lairs as knockout brunettes, then get all cross when someone mentions the B-word.
All of which leaves me feeling there's more to come. Well, the use of 'series' sort of implies as much, doesn't it? Perhaps, some day soon, Audi will drop the Plus engine - with its 610hp peak output, its 9000rpm redline, and its more ferocious power delivery - into this rear-driven chassis, and perhaps it'll fit more aggressive tyres than Pirelli P Zeroes, and maybe it'll sharpen up the car's responses. That really would give the brains at Weissach something to fret about.
Audi R8 RWS - Specifications | |
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Engine | 5,104cc, V10 |
Transmission | seven-speed twin-clutch automatic, rear-wheel drive |
Power (hp) | 540@7,800rpm |
Torque (lb ft) | 398@6,500rpm |
0-62mph | 3.7 sec |
Top speed | 199mph |
Weight | 1,590kg |
MPG | 22.8 |
CO2 | 283g/km |
Price | £112,450 |
Porsche 911 GT3 - Specifications | |
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Engine | 3,996cc, flat-six |
Transmission | seven-speed PDK automatic, rear-wheel drive |
Power (hp) | 500@8,250rpm |
Torque (lb ft) | 339@6,000rpm |
0-62mph | 3.4 sec |
Top speed | 198mph |
Weight | 1,505kg |
MPG | 22.2 |
CO2 | 288g/km |
Price | £111,802 |
Pps; Am I the only one who only just noticed that Dan Prosser writes for PH btw?
Besides as a drivers car a 991.2 GTS coupe is imo better than the r8 despite price diff .because the GT3 exists people who dont drive them all can tend to think oh the GT3 must surely be the one.
Sorry what?
Aside from a wonderful NA 5.2 V10, it has nothing for me just derivative, with an A1 face and bland lack of styling and detail from there backwards. To look at inside and out, there is a distinct lack of drama and theatre for me....
The Mark 1 puts this one in the shade with it's subtle curves and blade detail.
I hardly notice new R8s on the road, aside from the fact they are low....
If a 'supercar' is your only car, then I guess youd want the baladness that comes with trying to do everything well... If I ever had £120k disposable I'd have at least 2 cars specialising...one in creature comfort and tech, and the other in actual drama and theatre.... there's no way this RWS 'competes' against a GT3.
Totally different buyers, and that was when and IF you could get a GT3...
As it is, i didn't make it to the end sorry.
No doubt it's the nicest R8 to drive since the very original, but still not a be all and end all drivers car? I'll never know.....
Sorry what?
Aside from a wonderful NA 5.2 V10, it has nothing for me just derivative, with an A1 face and bland lack of styling and detail from there backwards. To look at inside and out, there is a distinct lack of drama and theatre for me....
The Mark 1 puts this one in the shade with it's subtle curves and blade detail.
I hardly notice new R8s on the road, aside from the fact they are low....
If a 'supercar' is your only car, then I guess youd want the baladness that comes with trying to do everything well... If I ever had £120k disposable I'd have at least 2 cars specialising...one in creature comfort and tech, and the other in actual drama and theatre.... there's no way this RWS 'competes' against a GT3.
Totally different buyers, and that was when and IF you could get a GT3...
The Porsche is just as formulaic. Increasingly generic front end (still lovely, but still generic) - see either of the cars coming towards you, the R8 is more distinguishable from it's lesser brethren than the Porsche is, IMO.
Any half decent driver in the 4WD version could keep up with a race driver in the 2WD.
Just pointless unless you want to hoon around a track all day and that doesn't strike me as audi's type of customer in the first place
As for a GT3, what's there to discuss as you can't get one period unless you are royalty. Again another pointless car unless you are one of the chosen few so lets not even give it air time
The GT3 here is a single malt and the R8 is a margarita. They're different kinds of fun for different occasions.
Too many keyboard warriors unprepared to sink their own cash into a new car.
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