RE: Shed of the Week: Jaguar XJ8

RE: Shed of the Week: Jaguar XJ8

Friday 6th April 2018

Shed of the Week: Jaguar XJ8

Bargain barging for original Shed money... what could go wrong?



Has anybody ever done an investigation into why people key other peoples' cars? Presumably, jealousy plays a big part. There's a thread running on PH right now about a Dacia driver being caught on video in the premeditated and impressively thorough act of keying a PHer's superior machine.

Ignorance must come into it as well, though. Many keyers clearly have no idea of the value of the vehicles they're defacing. Would whoever ran their front-door key right down the side of this week's perfectly innocent Jaguar XJ8 reconsider their action if you told them it was only worth £995?

It's especially annoying when the sheet metal being butchered belongs to an X308, arguably the last great old-school Jag. In 1997, the arrival of the V8-powered X308 signalled the end of the Jaguar straight six. Although there's little to beat the sound of an open-piped Jag six in a C- or D-type racer, the criteria for success in the XJ were different. In an XJ, noise was something to be suppressed rather than celebrated.


That being the case, shuffling the worthy but heavy and thirsty old six aside in favour of a V8 made perfect sense. And it still makes sense today when you see the calibre of car you can get for under a grand. This one is no trailer queen but its averageness and, as a result, its affordability is what makes it attractive.

Engine-wise, most of the early XJ8's issues can be traced back to the inappropriate use of plastics instead of metal, a practice that was hardly unique to Jaguar at the time. Presumably the thinking was that useful amounts of weight could be saved by binning metal wherever possible. Unfortunately, the laws of chemistry stepped in to wag an admonishing finger at those manufacturers who went down this route. Jaguar's linerless Nikasil-coated bores were exposed by the high sulphur content fuels that were prevalent in the late 1990s.

Early cars like this one would have started out with plastic cam chain tensioners. A rattle or knock from the front of the engine on startup could mean they haven't yet been replaced with sturdier metal items. Same goes for the X308's plastic water pump impellers and thermostat towers: you'd want them to be aluminium. The stat tower on our Shed is, but there's no info on the pump or the tensioners having been done, or indeed on the Nikasil issue having been resolved by the fitment of steel liners.


The vendor tells us there are no untoward rattles, so his suspicion that the tensioners might not have been done could be incorrect. We can't know for sure because the previous owner, his dad, didn't keep much in the way of paperwork. If there are any Nikasil cars left in 2018, though, they'll be OK with modern fuels. Indeed, they might even be a teeny bit sought after, as some serial XJ8 owners believe that the Nikasil Jags were a tad sweeter than the steel-linered ones. If it doesn't have a green tag on the head, it could well be a Nikasil car.

ABS control modules can fail. They're very expensive and (according to Jaguar) non-repairable, but the old lags will laugh at that and point triumphantly to their soldering guns. Throttle bodies and position sensors can play up. The bodies should have been replaced under warranty, but we're 20 years into the life of this car. It's a good idea to give any XJ8 a decent run to see how these parts perform with a bit of heat in them.

Rashly, Jaguar pronounced the X308's ZF gearbox to be a 'sealed for life' unit, but a thousand and one online posts will tell you otherwise. Changing the oil and filter isn't as easy as you might hope, but if you're planning on keeping an X308 for a while then you might prefer the inconvenience of carrying out that service over the long-term jerking or thumping through the drivetrain and eventual gearbox failure that will occur if you don't.


Rust can affect the front strut tops, front lower wings, both screen surrounds, the front subframe (mentioned as an advisory on the MOT) and the back arches (where this one does have a bleb, but the X308s aren't as bad in that last area as the X300s). Although the V8 engine is lighter than the old six, X308 suspension still takes a fair old beating in everyday use, so watch out for unevenness in both braking and tyre wear.

Inside, there really isn't too much to worry about. The lacquer on the wood trim pieces can craze, but despite what your foolishly grinning mates might like to tell you, the X308's electrical system is not the motoring equivalent of a nest of enraged vipers. Besides, the XJ8 is modern enough to have an input socket for diagnostic code-readers so if anything does go wrong you won't be left scratching your head and wishing you'd never been born.

Check that the 'S' sports switch at the base of the J-gate gearshift housing isn't sticking. The backlights for the clocks, radio and aircon display can conk out, too, but the electric seats (cloth in this case, so quite unusual) are pretty reliable. The auto-dimming seems to have gone squiffy on this car's rear view mirror, as it can also do on the door mirrors if they're so equipped. Not a massive problem, or at least, not massive enough to justify the cost of replacements.


Fuel wise, expect mid-20s on a cruise, low-20s in town, and teens if you feel you would like to hear a snarly V8 at every possible opportunity. You might want to think about an LPG conversion if you're that sort of person, but once it's fitted there probably wouldn't be much room left in the boot for your tweeds, crystal shot glasses and deerstalker hat.

It's not perfect, then. A gap opened up between the 2009 and 2016 services, but it's back on track now, and there are early signs of floor rot. However the near-complete family ownership, plus brand new MOT, should mean you've got at least a year's legal luxury motoring in store. Treat yourself while you still can. They won't be around much longer.

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spencermit

Original Poster:

39 posts

218 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Nice work...

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Chuffin' 'eck that's a lot of car for a grand!

What's the bork factor like on these? The article paints a bit of a grim picture!

Edited by FN2TypeR on Friday 6th April 06:24

cmvtec

2,188 posts

82 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Beautiful even when sheddy.

Shame about the cloth, though.

darkyoung1000

2,031 posts

197 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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I bought one of these to go to Le Mans a few years ago. It was £800, had rusty arches, and 180k miles.
Carried 4 of us down and back in comfort without any hiccups and I sold it for the same money after 3 months and 2000 miles.
Cost me a service (which I did myself) and some new valves for the tyres.
Before I owned one, I didn't get it. Now I really do. It was a lovely place to be - while being massive and liking a drink.... If you're pulling out of junctions quickly, you can get it down to 3mpg hehe

Good shed!

Filibuster

3,165 posts

216 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Great shed!

Sound like an honest example and from an owner who cared relatively well for it.

Although I didn't know these came with half leather as standard.
Over here in Switzerland, you could only get them with leather as standard (well, they where way more expensive than in the UK).

Krikkit

26,541 posts

182 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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FN2TypeR said:
Chuffin' 'eck that's a lot of car for a grand!

What's the bork factor like on these? The article paints a bit of a grim picture!
Generally very good - rust is the big one, but if it's got a fresh ticket that can be put off for another year.

Otherwise they're tough cars. SOTW has a habit of listing everything, no matter how rare. A note on Nikasil - if it drives OK ignore it - the original issue was caused by high sulphur content in fuel which has now gone. The Nikasil won't be wearing any more, so anything with decent compression now will retain it.

Epic shed work.

Cambs_Stuart

2,880 posts

85 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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I've seen a few of these go for shed money. Just never been brave enough. One day I'll sell the legacy and do a double header. One of these for comfort and an RX8 for fun.

Turbobanana

6,292 posts

202 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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cmvtec said:
Beautiful even when sheddy.

Shame about the cloth, though.
Old friend of mine was a Rolls Royce dealer back in the seventies. Once took in a Shadow and couldn't work out what was wrong with it. The car drove well and looked great, just didn't "light the fire" like it should.

Turns out it was one of a very few that were ordered from the factory not with leather, nor cloth, but vinyl.

It was traded very swiftly.

M666 EVO

1,124 posts

163 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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I do love an old Jag. I've owned a V6 Sport and an XJR, both X308. Would I own another? Probably not.

They rust like a rusty thing and at any given stage something electrical will give up the ghost.

Still a thing of beauty though...

varsas

4,014 posts

203 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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I owned an X308 XJR for a while. It was fine but the ride wasn't as I'd hoped for, presumaly down to the 18 inch wheels, and it felt too long and heavy when pushing on down twisty roads. I felt that in unsuccesfully making the car 'sporty' they had taken away what I liked about them. I was at a Jaguar event and mentioned my views about the ride to Ian Callum...he said it wouldn't look as good on smaller wheels, which was fair enough.

Anyway I also drove a 4 litre and it was actually the nicer car, and far better at being a Jaguar.

M666 EVO said:
I do love an old Jag. I've owned a V6 Sport and an XJR, both X308.
A V6 XJ would probably have been an X350, or did yours have an engine swap?

Edited by varsas on Friday 6th April 08:46

99dndd

2,091 posts

90 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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That's gorgeous.

If you bought that, people who know nothing about cars will think you're loaded.

There's half a chance the repairs could cost you 5 times the purchase price though.

Hairymonster

1,430 posts

106 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Bloomin' gorgeous.

Mark-C

5,138 posts

206 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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99dndd said:
That's gorgeous.

If you bought that, people who know nothing about cars will think you're loaded.

There's half a chance the repairs could cost you 5 times the purchase price though.
And half a chance that you'll get at least a year out of it with no issues whatsoever biggrin

Lovely car although I always preferred the six ...

grumpy52

5,598 posts

167 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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These are starting to rise in value . Not much space for us larger lumps in the drivers seat but they are a comfortable place to waft along in .
If anyone knows of an XJR V8 R1 for sale please let me know .

Richard-390a0

2,257 posts

92 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Mmm lovely that's my idea of a shed of the week! clapcloud9

jasdun

40 posts

137 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Are sellers given a chance to respond to SOTW? I know they can respond here in the comments thread, but it would be good to see a response in the article too. Just a suggestion....maybe PH does it already .

sdiggle

182 posts

91 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Top shedding Shed!!!

sdiggle

182 posts

91 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Top shedding Shed!!!

Limpet

6,322 posts

162 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Beautiful car. I'd have to retrofit leather seats though (not a bank busting exercise, thankfully)

BFleming

3,611 posts

144 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Any of these 'buy a car for a grand & drive it to sunnier climes' challengers are going to snap this up - what a car. For a grand I don't expect it to be a museum piece, but what a shed. They just keep getting better & better!