RE: Shed of the Week: Range Rover

RE: Shed of the Week: Range Rover

Friday 13th April 2018

Shed of the Week: Range Rover

A debut appearance for the P38 Range Rover - welcome to the hallowed hall of Sheddom!



Here's a rare bird in Shedland: the Range Rover.

Many years ago, long before this sort of event became en-glitzed and corporatised, Shed went on a properly dirty Land Rover offroad day up north. The chap running it was a leathery Darien Gap type, a dead ringer for Curly out of City Slickers and the sort of bloke who would strike matches on his face, sweeten his coffee with iron filings, and munch morosely through a packet of six-inch nails for his tea.

The vehicles provided on Shed's day were all Series III Landies, and much fun was had by all who attended. The most surprising part of the day, however, wasn't so much the incredible ability of the everyday Landie (though that was incredible) but what happened when Shed plucked up the courage to ask Leatheryman to nominate his favourite off-road weapon.

It was meant to be an easy one that he could knock out of the park with the expected "short-wheelbase diesel Series III with snorkel" response. Instead, the answer was "petrol Range Rover automatic", which seemed a bit effete coming from someone who looked entirely capable of crocheting anacondas.


As far as he was concerned, the Range Rover did everything the Series III did, but without loosening most of the body's major organs in the process. Nobody was about to argue with him, and subsequent experience of this remarkable machine over its 48-year history (start saving now for your 2020 50th anniversary model, by the way) suggests he was probably right anyway.

The problem for pretty much any car with 'Rover' in its name comes not in the showroom but on the roads and lanes of our fair land a few years down the line. Even today, Land Rover struggles to build stuff that fully satisfies over the full ownership period. There's often something going wrong. That's a shame, because the underlying designs are, by and large, outstanding. As it is, buying any secondhand Range Rover involves a leap of faith that could easily turn into a stumble of doubt followed by a painful pratfall of disillusionment.

Which, finally, brings us to this week's Shed. SOTW records of the last five and a bit years indicate that no Range Rovers of any kind have appeared here. The fact that roadworthy ones don't really drop into the sub-£1500 bracket is some sort of vindication of the value people still place on them, irrespective of their slightly shonky reputation.


The second-generation P38 is a bit of an oddball in that the first-gen RR it was meant to replace continued to be on sale two years after the P38's 1994 launch, in the shape of the Range Rover Classic. The P38 was more luxurious than the gen-one, had improved electronic air suspension with five height settings, and brought in the rectangular headlights that some might say removed some of the RR's styling mojo.

This pre-'99 model won't have the four-wheel traction control or improved engine management systems, but although it's true that these later 'Thor' models are a nice drive, especially in Vogue spec, not having that electronic gubbins on board is not necessarily a bad thing in terms of things to go wrong. And off road there's not that much to choose between a P38 and an L322.

Our Shed has the 4.0-litre V8, but don't go thinking that means you'll be razzing about the place with your tyres on fire. Hooked up to the decently reliable ZF 4-speed auto, this was the last of the old Buick-derived V8s and therefore a relaxed sort of unit. Inside our Shed is another end-of-era sight: Connolly leather seats (Connolly went bust just as the gen-three L322 Range Rover came out).


A 4.6-litre P38 was also available, with (supposedly) around 40hp more power and more torque. Some say there isn't that great a difference between them in terms of real-world punter performance, others really rate the 4.6s.

The thing to be aware of is that these V8s have quite a reputation for slipped cylinder liners, and the air suspension is known for failure. Some owners fit coils when the air sus goes, but wiser birds than Shed will tell you that that might not be the best idea for this vehicle. Besides, the standard air setup isn't that complex and can be fixed rather more cheaply than (say) the system in an Audi Allroad. Plus it's a lovely feature to have.

A knock or tap from the engine when it's warm isn't so lovely, as that means it's time to shrug your shoulders and stump up for a new block with the non-slip 'top hat' liners. Cold-engine rattles tell you it's time for a new camshaft. Heater matrix O-rings go, producing damp stains on the carpet.


Still, on the positive side, P38s are generally very mendable. There are very few non-knackered P38s left, so the value of this one shouldn't drop. It has a dangerously good-looking MOT history showing that it's only done 36,000 miles in the last 10 years, and fewer than 15,000 in the last five. The dreaded 'c' word appears nowhere, which is some sort of miracle. It struggled to get through last year's test, needing two failed goes in September and October before getting the nod in November, albeit with advisories on exhaust leak and low brake pads. Worryingly, 'overheating' was mentioned in the first September test, but that particular mole appears to have been quickly whacked.

There are no shots of the back end, but it might be solid-ish given that this car looks like it's had a respray, apparently by someone in the Mediterranean swimming pool business. The nearest 'real' RR colour that Shed can find to the retina-jolting hue you see here is Monte Carlo blue, but even to Shed's cataracty old peepers this really doesn't look like it. Of course, you may know different.

A P38 is a perfectly viable choice. The trick is to think of it as a plaything rather than a maintenance-free means of transport. With that sort of mindset you shouldn't go far wrong.

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ian316

Original Poster:

4,150 posts

105 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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After watching all the hassle my brother has had with these over the years, i'd rather not bother thanks

Cambs_Stuart

2,869 posts

84 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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A jag last week and a range rover this week?
If you had to be brave to go for the jag then we'll need a new word for the person who buys this RR.
Great shed though, even if it's a dodgy colour.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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One large set of the superest hairiest Mega balls required.

alorotom

11,939 posts

187 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Some serious brave pills needed here me thinks

Nigel_O

2,889 posts

219 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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My wife had a 4.0v8 a few years ago. Lovely thing to drive when it was working properly.

No mention in the article of the porous block issue ( which we suffered) or the self-destructing gearbox issues (which we suffered) or the failing flex-plate issue (which we suffered) or the utterly cataclysmic fuel consumption (which we suffered from a lot...)

We took it off road a few times - it averaged 3mpg while doing it..... it gave about 15mpg in normal driving conditions

When the flex plate failed for the third time in as many years, we sold it for spares and repairs

We still missed it though....

ElectricPics

761 posts

81 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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I can't help thinking this would be worth a bit more separated into parts. Surely a RR shed at this price and condition is going to bork sooner rather than later?

spookly

4,019 posts

95 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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I had a 4.6 P38. In the last few weeks before I sold it I managed an average 9 mpg just pootling round town and doing a few school runs. The purchase price is the least of your worries buying one of these as a shed.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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My 4.6 was oddly reliable. If you take into account everything that didn't work. Like the heated seat driver's side, any sort of heating on the passenger side due to knackered blend motors a common fault. Never did much more than 10mpg and single figures when towing. I don't miss it though.

JakeT

5,428 posts

120 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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I'm surprised Shed took the time to list out some features that commonly fail. Isn't that everything?

Toaster Pilot

14,619 posts

158 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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P38 sold from a pie key camp.... NOPE

The colour and chrome are just horrible. You don’t need to buy st like this for £1500.

Howard-

4,952 posts

202 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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tastic old rotter. No thanks.

Phil Dicky

7,162 posts

263 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Toaster Pilot said:
P38 sold from a pie key camp.... NOPE

The colour and chrome are just horrible. You don’t need to buy st like this for £1500.
Comes with a free daag.

Hoink

1,426 posts

158 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Not for me.

Regardless of the car the location of the photos puts me off.

Macboy

739 posts

205 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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One of my shed requirements has always been that it's a good car at launch that has gracefully aged. The P38 Range Rover was woefully underdeveloped and was an absolute dog at launch - its only class leading attributes being buy-backs and warranty rates. It got better - just - but it was not a moment too soon when they replaced it. The Classic Car mags are starting to wax lyrical about it and there's a premium being paid for launch cars. I shake my head. I have had one, know a number of people who have suffered through ownership and can safely say this is a "kill in with fire" shed IMHO.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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And don’t forget the leaky o rings around the heater matrix which soak the carpets.

Never owned one, but arguably one of the most handsome Range Rovers. If they had a better reputation I’d have bought one by now.

Blackpuddin

16,522 posts

205 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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If they really are pie keys they've spent a surprising amount of money on pea shingle.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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There is a shot of the back end and it’s just as gruesome as the rest of the car.

How desperate to own a RR would you have to be to even consider this? Dump it in the sea, at least it’ll be hard to spot.

Fastdruid

8,643 posts

152 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Blackpuddin said:
If they really are pie keys they've spent a surprising amount of money on pea shingle.
That makes the assumption it was paid for.

Richard-390a0

2,257 posts

91 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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wormus said:
And don’t forget the leaky o rings around the heater matrix which soak the carpets.
That's mentioned in the article too.

marshall100

1,124 posts

201 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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No, looks like it was rejected from the set of Layer Cake in favour of something even more lurid. Might get the nod if they ever make the sequel, Viva La Madness.