China Assigns Every Citizen A ‘Social Credit Score’ .
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Sounds like the dear leaders in China have been watching Black Mirror.
China Assigns Every Citizen A ‘Social Credit Score’ To Identify Who Is And Isn’t Trustworthy. Country Determines Your Standing Through Use Of Surveillance Video, Plans To Have 600 Million Cameras By 2020
China Assigns Every Citizen A ‘Social Credit Score’ To Identify Who Is And Isn’t Trustworthy. Country Determines Your Standing Through Use Of Surveillance Video, Plans To Have 600 Million Cameras By 2020
article said:
When Liu Hu recently tried to book a flight, he was told he was banned from flying because he was on the list of untrustworthy people. Liu is a journalist who was ordered by a court to apologize for a series of tweets he wrote and was then told his apology was insincere.
“I can’t buy property. My child can’t go to a private school,” he said. “You feel you’re being controlled by the list all the time.”
China turns to tech to monitor, shame and rate citizens. The government is using surveillance cameras, facial recognition and smart glasses to score people on social behavior, which can lead to punishment.“I can’t buy property. My child can’t go to a private school,” he said. “You feel you’re being controlled by the list all the time.”
article said:
China's plan is to give each citizen a social credit score, which goes far beyond the traditional credit score based on finances. The score can fluctuate based on a range of behaviors, like whether you jaywalk or buy Chinese-made goods or buy too many video games. If your score gets too low, you can be banned from buying a plane ticket, renting a house, accessing high-speed internet or getting a loan.
This is a completely different level of course. Yet are we not threatened to comply to to a certain way of life with our credit score system. I’m 38 and it seems I’ve spent the last 20 years listening to threats and being warned about not letting my credit rating slip or else
I’ll never get a mortgage.
I’ll not get a phone contract.
Be unable to secure a flat to rent.
Don’t pay that lousy contract and it May(will) effect your credit rating.
Btl mortgages won’t be available.
Young people are terrified of this credit rating now. I wondered if it’s a convenient way of making sure we all play ball. It has to be there of course, when we live in a credit fuelled state there of course needs to be accountability. It’s just sometimes I speak to people who perhaps made one or two poor decisions when young and really are being punished.
Sorry to go off topic, I’ve just been thinking about it lately and this thread triggered my thoughts.
I’ll never get a mortgage.
I’ll not get a phone contract.
Be unable to secure a flat to rent.
Don’t pay that lousy contract and it May(will) effect your credit rating.
Btl mortgages won’t be available.
Young people are terrified of this credit rating now. I wondered if it’s a convenient way of making sure we all play ball. It has to be there of course, when we live in a credit fuelled state there of course needs to be accountability. It’s just sometimes I speak to people who perhaps made one or two poor decisions when young and really are being punished.
Sorry to go off topic, I’ve just been thinking about it lately and this thread triggered my thoughts.
This works as an extra way to coerce their new affluent bits of society that have something to lose. One of those ideas that's horrible yet effective. Exactly what you expect when you put engineers in government not lawyers.
What the Chinese also have for the bits of society that this doesn't work for is that rather than throw piles of cash at the bottomless pit of 'welfare' they have camps, execution and dying of poverty in a gutter. Not nice but has the advantage of being cheap.
What the Chinese also have for the bits of society that this doesn't work for is that rather than throw piles of cash at the bottomless pit of 'welfare' they have camps, execution and dying of poverty in a gutter. Not nice but has the advantage of being cheap.
Jonesy23 said:
This works as an extra way to coerce their new affluent bits of society that have something to lose. One of those ideas that's horrible yet effective. Exactly what you expect when you put engineers in government not lawyers.
What the Chinese also have for the bits of society that this doesn't work for is that rather than throw piles of cash at the bottomless pit of 'welfare' they have camps, execution and dying of poverty in a gutter. Not nice but has the advantage of being cheap.
Your right, life is cheap there. What the Chinese also have for the bits of society that this doesn't work for is that rather than throw piles of cash at the bottomless pit of 'welfare' they have camps, execution and dying of poverty in a gutter. Not nice but has the advantage of being cheap.
My dad worked in China for many years on large power station projects and the number of deaths and murders that no one cared about was nasty.
Worker rights are easy to deal with, I someone won't do the job, they get someone who will. Their biggest natural resource seems to be people.
The cities seem like any major western city, but once you get into the country, it slips into the truly medieval, even to the robber barons running their own little states.
This has been a long time in the works and it'll be far more effective and far more insidious than anything seen before in human history. And the way a low scoring person can cross infect someone else's score by simply knowing them will push isolation even further.
I'd be moving to the mountains and not going anywhere near anything connected ever again. It's full on nightmarish.
I'd be moving to the mountains and not going anywhere near anything connected ever again. It's full on nightmarish.
bloomen said:
I'd be moving to the mountains and not going anywhere near anything connected ever again. It's full on nightmarish.
I suspect that avoiding the system will have a similar impact to the way credit scoring can go if you never go near credit - you become a low scoring non-person by default.These systems are easy to build and really difficult to avoid in any society where you need ID for stuff.
Read a long wired article about this a few months back, it goes further than the one in the OP.
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A citizen's score can even affect their odds of getting a date, or a marriage partner, because the higher their Sesame rating, the more prominent their dating profile is on Baihe.
Sesame Credit already offers tips to help individuals improve their ranking, including warning about the downsides of friending someone who has a low score. This might lead to the rise of score advisers, who will share tips on how to gain points, or reputation consultants willing to offer expert advice on how to strategically improve a ranking or get off the trust-breaking blacklist.
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-...
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A citizen's score can even affect their odds of getting a date, or a marriage partner, because the higher their Sesame rating, the more prominent their dating profile is on Baihe.
Sesame Credit already offers tips to help individuals improve their ranking, including warning about the downsides of friending someone who has a low score. This might lead to the rise of score advisers, who will share tips on how to gain points, or reputation consultants willing to offer expert advice on how to strategically improve a ranking or get off the trust-breaking blacklist.
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-...
https://www.sciencealert.com/china-s-dystopian-soc...
seems this is gathering steam. Sounds like they have rolled it out to some areas? and plan to go full scale in the not too distant.
I mean, they have cameras installed at crossings to detect if you step out before the green man shows. And if you do, you're docked points. And if you're docked enough points they'll restrict your travel, increase the costs of finance and even make you wait longer at the hospital.
Apparently people are happy with it. But presumably, if you voiced a dissenting opinion you'd be docked points, branded dishonest and confined to your apartment!
seems this is gathering steam. Sounds like they have rolled it out to some areas? and plan to go full scale in the not too distant.
I mean, they have cameras installed at crossings to detect if you step out before the green man shows. And if you do, you're docked points. And if you're docked enough points they'll restrict your travel, increase the costs of finance and even make you wait longer at the hospital.
Apparently people are happy with it. But presumably, if you voiced a dissenting opinion you'd be docked points, branded dishonest and confined to your apartment!
Noticed it more and more during the last 6/9 months. Most pavements in big citys now have cameras facing both directions every 100M.
When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
Exige77 said:
Noticed it more and more during the last 6/9 months. Most pavements in big citys now have cameras facing both directions every 100M.
When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
1. Storage is fairly cheap; especially since they have factories and skilled workers that produce that kind of technology for the mass market. When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
2. Artificial Intelligence; certainly to the level of identifying and flagging potential infringements for human review.
Exige77 said:
Noticed it more and more during the last 6/9 months. Most pavements in big citys now have cameras facing both directions every 100M.
When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
WeChat pay is brilliant.When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
Use it every time we go to China.
Still have loads of money on my phone.
Pay for almost anything from your phone, and get paid to your phone.
I think we should have WeChat pay here in UK.
Register1 said:
Exige77 said:
Noticed it more and more during the last 6/9 months. Most pavements in big citys now have cameras facing both directions every 100M.
When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
WeChat pay is brilliant.When you check in to hotels, locals and foreigners have their photos taken with special scanners.
Most main roads are full of cameras that flash “every time” you pass. As do all the many toll Booths.
Airports have introduced finger print and face scanners (compulsory) at passport control.
More and more places (far from all still) don’t take cash. They want you to pay with Wechat or Alipay.
The total control is becoming more and more evident.
How can this store this huge amount of daily data ? And who can look through it all ?
Use it every time we go to China.
Still have loads of money on my phone.
Pay for almost anything from your phone, and get paid to your phone.
I think we should have WeChat pay here in UK.
The government is pretty brutal to anyone it doesn’t like or asks an awkward question.
“If your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear” that’s how it starts.
The wealthy mobile people are stashing their cash abroad and getting second citizenships. The connected people know what’s happening.
The economy is very evidently slowing down and the government are going to be looking for cash soon.
jdw100 said:
KAgantua said:
Jesus.
He scores low; dodgy parent, trouble maker, no real job, promotes violence...Anyway BOT it's an Orwellian nightmare of monstrous proportions.
1984 thought police etc etc etc
To be fair we already have some of them on here.
Contrary opinions are not always well received.
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