RE: PH Service History: Estate of the Nation

RE: PH Service History: Estate of the Nation

Sunday 6th May 2018

PH Service History: Estate of the Nation

The SUV onslaught means many families have forgotten the virtues of the classic estate. But we haven't



Chatting with a colleague of mine the other day, and he was relating the woes of his long-term SUV test car. Now, if you believe everything you read, the SUV is the saviour of the modern family, with a high seating position that enables easy belting in of car seats, oodles of boot space, and rugged looks that connote safety and protection.

I've had this nagging doubt on that front, and I'm sure I'm not alone here; said chat with said colleague confirmed some of my suspicions.


He bemoaned the fact that, while his SUV does indeed have plenty of boot space, because it's tall and wide space, rather than long, he has to place his daughter's buggy in first, and widthways, and then pile the rest of the luggage on top. And while the seating position is higher, because the front and rear seats are closer together, he has less space to manoeuvre in front of the child seat to strap her in. In short, his SUV isn't the panacea for familial travelling one might hope.

So my belief that an estate makes the ideal family wagon remains intact. Not only is there properly usable boot space - long and wide, so you don't have to stack all your belongings - but you get proper handling and decent fuel consumption, too - two areas in which every SUV is compromised.

In other words, if family transport is a necessity in your life at the moment, I'd advise steering clear of the latest high-rise, and having a look at a wonderful wagon instead.


A Mondeo, perhaps. After all, Mondeo estates are fabulous things on the used market; whether you're going for a Mk3 or a Mk4, the space per pound on offer is nigh-on impossible to beat. Take this late ST TDCI, for example; barely 10 years old and with average miles on the clock, and yours for £1,995.

You don't need me to tell you that these are rare beasts, crisp of handling and suitably potent yet also delightfully frugal, and the 2.2-litre diesel is more reliable than the mildly terrifying 2.0 used in lesser models. This one isn't the tidiest around, judging by the pictures, but spend a few quid on refurbished wheels and deep-clean the interior yourself and it should be a very satisfying family wagon for a bargain basement price.


Got a bit more cash to splash? I'd drop four grand on this tidy-looking Impreza WRX in a heartbeat. Granted, it's hardly the largest estate in the world, but it should do the trick for family work, as with all Impreza WRXs, you get a very tasteful amount of shove, all-wheel-drive traction and delightful handling.

If the ad's to be believed, this one comes with a full history and a useful spot of recent work, and doesn't look to have been messed around with. The MOT's short, but the price is very reasonable, so in that regard you pays yer money, and so forth. Family-friendly, fun and four-wheel-drive - who needs an SUV?


Also firmly ticking the 'fun' box is this Focus ST-3 estate. By the look of things, some hero has spent a large chunk of his life ploughing up and down a motorway chucking away fuel in this one; fair play for not picking a diesel repmobile.

Of course, if you partook of my last column, its high mileage should hold no fear, especially as there's plenty of evidence of frequent maintenance to back it up. There's a fresh MOT, too, and while pictures must always be taken with a pinch of salt, it looks well cared-for. Being an ST-3, it's top-of-the-range, so you get xenons, dual-zone climate, heated seats, cruise, and so on. And of course, there's that singing, 250hp engine up front and the Focus's delightfully playful chassis whenever the family aren't in tow. All this for under ten grand. Rude not to, surely?


But I'll admit that a lairy Focus estate probably doesn't tick the 'status symbol' box that most SUV buyers are looking for. To solve that problem, I have one more suggestion: a tidy, three-year-old BMW 3 Series Touring. And not just any 3 Series Touring; this one's a 335i, which means it gets that rarest of things in a modern BMW: a petrol-powered six pot.

335i Tourings are hard to come by, especially with adaptive suspension - a must if you want to avoid the harsh ride that comes with M Sport trim. But this one's so equipped; in fact, it's got seven grand's worth of options fitted, including BMW's Professional nav and the Harman Kardon sound system. It's also done just 18,000 miles, so it's barely even used. And while £25k isn't exactly pocket change, neither is it all that pricey compared with the cost of a nearly-new SUV.

Not only will it fit your family and their gubbins inside, but it'll also hit 60mph in 5.2 seconds and still return around 35mpg, while also driving much more tidily and looking, to my eyes at least, a whole heap classier. No contest, really, is there? Long live the estate.

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CDP

Original Poster:

7,462 posts

255 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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I don’t think many on here will need much persuading.

If you enjoy driving the lower, lighter estate should be the choice.

Hub

6,441 posts

199 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Are there any figures to suggest that SUVs are killing sales of estates? I.e. will they be extinct soon? You still see a lot about, 3 series especially.

I have the Focus and it has been good for my young family, albeit that rear passenger space is quite poor. It is my first estate but I'd definitely have another - probably the 3 series next! Not just about better driving dynamics but looks too. Better than a blobby SUV, and also in my opinion often better than the saloon version.

airsport1

19 posts

75 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Shh, don’t tell everyone. Once the world is full of high rise wallowing buses, and everyone realises choosing sport trim doesn’t make you any way athletic, I am (foolishly) hoping the resale of my 340i touring will eventually go up! In the meantime four bikes on the towbar rack and everthing a family needs for a week in the boot. Happy days.

g3org3y

20,642 posts

192 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Hairymonster

1,433 posts

106 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Gets my vote - I'd be happy with any of these cars. Estates give me the practicality without the extra weight, the lorry-like centre of gravity, the lorry-like fuel consumption and the lorry-like handling.

A plague on this infestation of pointless SUVs, 4x4s, hi-rise lorries etc.

silentbrown

8,858 posts

117 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Hub said:
Are there any figures to suggest that SUVs are killing sales of estates? I.e. will they be extinct soon? You still see a lot about, 3 series especially.
It's a global thing. The UK is a (relatively) tiny market, so what you see on the roads here doesn't really affect the business case for multinationals.

Want to buy a Jag XE Sportbrake? You can't. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/no-jag...

dunnoreally

973 posts

109 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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I ran a 2017 Ford Kuga rental for the last 2 months because someone went into the back of my old car. I think the Kuga is supposed to be one of the sportier crossovers out there and, sure enough, I felt like it drove fine. Certainly a damn site better than the Shogun Pinin it replaced.

Now, though, I've replaced it with a 2.5 X-Type (don't judge me it was cheap), and the difference in how the two cars go round corners is absolutely night and day. The X feels orders of magnitude more planted and stable to me. And the thing about this is that the X is in no way a handling-foused car.

I get why you might want a crossover if you weren't really into driving. The Kuga was roomy, comfortable, fairly impressive to look at, did have a bit of extra visibility over other cars, and was generally very easy to live with. I certainly wouldn't call it a bad car. If you're someone who cares about things like handling, though, I just don't know why you'd do it to yourself.

sledge68

755 posts

198 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Estates all day long and preferably one with so get up and go that's understated.

I think the SUV is for most an easy choice and fashionable, our works car park is full of them, of all makes and sizes, and the market place is spoilt for choice, personally I think it shows a lack of car taste, but that's just my opinion.

Whilst I know I am very Subaru biased after owning 8 in a row, the Legacy offers the family all the benefits of the SUV, look at the sales in North America for example.

If it wasn't for towing my motorbike out of fields I have the Mondeo every day, the Legacy gives me the added assurance of being to get out of the field and not worry about the little and infrequent snow flurries we have, plus its a great car to drive and is well built.

Only those in the know understand how capable and 3.0 Spec B is.

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

151 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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The trouble I find with SUVs (the OHs Duster) is the height of the boot floor. My lazy Lab won't jump in and the terrier just looks at me like I'm mad.
My Girlfriend is about to give birth so even lifting shipping that extra few inches into th boot makes a difference.

Itsallicanafford

2,772 posts

160 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Whisper it, but there’s really nothing wrong with a saloon car if you have a family, we go to France in a Lexus IS with 2 kids...this year we will have 4 bikes on the roof as well...


blearyeyedboy

6,311 posts

180 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Interestingly, I was weighing up a family estate or a Lexus IS. I don't like SUVs so the NX was a no no.

With a pram and luggage, the advantages of an estate in terms of sheer convenience outweighed the nice features of the IS for me.

There's now an Octavia vRS estate on the driveway instead. I tried a Focus ST that just wasn't as nice to be in, so bought the Skoda instead. Very happy with the family wagon and while it's no sportscar, it's far more fun on a spirited drive than an SUV would be for me.

Mr E

21,635 posts

260 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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60 in not long. Will cruise all day at speed in complete comfort. Air suspension can give you a bit more ground clearance for the 300m of field on the rare occasion you need it. Discrete. Everyone assumes it’s a 220d



Itsallicanafford

2,772 posts

160 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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blearyeyedboy said:
Interestingly, I was weighing up a family estate or a Lexus IS. I don't like SUVs so the NX was a no no.

With a pram and luggage, the advantages of an estate in terms of sheer convenience outweighed the nice features of the IS for me.

There's now an Octavia vRS estate on the driveway instead. I tried a Focus ST that just wasn't as nice to be in, so bought the Skoda instead. Very happy with the family wagon and while it's no sportscar, it's far more fun on a spirited drive than an SUV would be for me.
Ah, my kids are 5 & 7 so no proms etc, saying that I’ve had it 3 years now...3 kids would be an issue but I’m out of the trenches and not going back wink

blearyeyedboy

6,311 posts

180 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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I can see why, and I nearly did the same.
I only have one baby (1 and a half now- car bought a month before she arrived) and a wife who doesn't do "packing light".

I was resistant to the idea of an estate until I spoke to others and tried a couple of cars out, and now I'm a convert to the cause. Yes, you can manage without an estate just fine, but having one makes many things in life just easier.

silentbrown

8,858 posts

117 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Itsallicanafford said:
Whisper it, but there’s really nothing wrong with a saloon car if you have a family
A family isn't a family without a dog smile

blearyeyedboy

6,311 posts

180 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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^ Oh yes, that too. When blearyeyedbaby is big enough, we wanted a car we can put a dog into.

ozzyt17

65 posts

97 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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What I find quite ironic is when people buy an SUV for image purposes - but an Audi A4 new is a similar price to something like a Toyota RAV4, and I know which I would rather have on my drive!

numtumfutunch

4,735 posts

139 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Buff Mchugelarge said:
The trouble I find with SUVs (the OHs Duster) is the height of the boot floor. My lazy Lab won't jump in and the terrier just looks at me like I'm mad.
My Girlfriend is about to give birth so even lifting shipping that extra few inches into th boot makes a difference.
I can relate to this
The extra boot space my old RR Sport had over my current 335d was eroded by having to carry the dog ramp

And having decided I've reached that stage in life where accelerative urge has become irrelevant - old age, speed cameras, too much traffic etc etc - I'm going full barge next time with a V90. Launch control is pretty impressive but after 5 seconds or less of full gas you're in licence losing territory.

Cheers

Swampy1982

3,307 posts

112 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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90% of the time you don't NEED an estate, but youre forever grateful come 10% time

vrsmxtb

2,002 posts

157 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Octavia VRS 2.0TSi for me.

Cavernous boot space with Golf GTI performance. Didn't even look at SUVs for that first child upgrade. Always liked the look of brisk estates.