RE: Next Audi R8 to get turbocharged V6, cheaper price

RE: Next Audi R8 to get turbocharged V6, cheaper price

Thursday 14th June 2018

Next Audi R8 to get turbocharged V6, cheaper price

The long-awaited replacement for the V8-engined R8 should soon be upon us...



So apparently there's no let up in the Audi Sport development schedule. Earlier in the week we had spy shots of the RS Q8 and new RS6 testing, now it's the turn of the facelifted R8. The big news here - according to our chums at the Autocar - is that the manufacturer has taken up the option of installing the twin-turbocharged 2.9-litre V6 from the RS4/5 in the car, thereby creating an entry-level replacement for the old V8 model.

The business case for such an R8 is self evident. The current version, available exclusively with the 5.2-litre V10, is over £110k even in its cheaper-to-buy RWS format. It is also fabulously expensive to run and emits a carefree 283g/km CO2 (309g/km if you have it as a Spyder with the higher output). With a V6 dropped in the middle, you could expect a sub six-figure price tag, much cheaper running costs and (for some markets, at least) less expensive taxation, too.


On paper, performance is unlikely to be an issue either. So far we've seen 450hp from the new 2.9-litre unit - but its potential is likely to be much greater. Already the idea of 500hp and 500lb ft of torque have been mooted for the R8, which would mean it eclipsing the peak twist produced by even the Plus-grade V10. Obviously it would be lighter, too - and that virtue certainly helped the V8's case when measured against big brother.

Nevertheless, extended comparison with the old eight-cylinder model is probably not helpful. The combination of Audi's naturally-aspirated 4.2-litre unit and its famously metal-gated manual transmission lived long in the memory, and is unlikely to be exceeded by the auto-box equipped V6, no matter how thrusting it turns out to. Instead, as with the latest RS4/5, we'll probably have to get used it being a modestly different kettle of fish. That doesn't mean it won't be exceptional in its own right, of course - or better than, say, a £102k Mercedes AMG GT. Which is obviously the point.





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cuda

Original Poster:

464 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Must be difficult operating that gearlever button with the little finger of one's right hand...

Terminator X

15,107 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Great idea although would many people buy the "poor mans" version?

TX.

Chestrockwell

2,629 posts

158 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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I get the impression that this could be quicker than the V10

Plate spinner

17,729 posts

201 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Terminator X said:
Great idea although would many people buy the "poor mans" version?

TX.
If they price it close to a base 911, then I’m sure many will consider it.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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I loved my old V8 Manual.

Sadly, I don't think this would even register on my `list` of potential cars. While the V6 will be lighter and give very good performance, it'll be pegged back by Audi so not to step on the V10's toes. So making it slower than the Vanilla V10 will make it about the same speed as the TT-RS.

OK, one is an R8, and the other just a TT, but for the difference in price would you be happy buying the V6 R8 and be only as quick as the much much cheaper TT?

Part of the appeal (for me) was the manual. Sadly, Audi won't offer this, so just another "stick it in D" fast but boring car.

And for me, the old R8 was by far the better looking car. Really don't like Audi design these days.

Edited by wab172uk on Thursday 14th June 14:34

sideways sid

1,371 posts

216 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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The V6, will neatly bisect the significant space between TT RS and R8 V10, in terms of both price and power.

culpz

4,884 posts

113 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Chestrockwell said:
I get the impression that this could be quicker than the V10
Same here. It'll be more of the sound and response that people will mourn. I think it could work though. VAG are usually very conservative with their performance figures and stats, so it will probably be quicker than claimed anyway. The tuning potential is mega aswell.

I really don't mind this new era of FI at all. I can appreciate huge N/A engines like the R8's V10 though and that they won't be around for much longer, which is certainly a shame!

CaptainRAVE

360 posts

113 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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It won't be quicker than the V10. It has the potential to be, but won't be.

ben5575

6,293 posts

222 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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I understood and read that article Nic, lots better thanks.

E65Ross

35,100 posts

213 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Terminator X said:
Great idea although would many people buy the "poor mans" version?

TX.
Probably. Lots of people buy the 911 C2 or C2S and not the turbo or GT3 etc.

simonbamg

767 posts

124 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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CaptainRAVE said:
It won't be quicker than the V10. It has the potential to be, but won't be.
It might be

V8 FOU

2,977 posts

148 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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ben5575 said:
I understood and read that article Nic, lots better thanks.
Better apart from "eclipsing peak twist" - FFS! Better torque will do....

wab172uk

2,005 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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simonbamg said:
CaptainRAVE said:
It won't be quicker than the V10. It has the potential to be, but won't be.
It might be
But it won't be. Why would Audi make it cheaper and faster than the V10? Who would then buy the V10?

Although, knowing Audi, this V6 will be paired back. So once you start ticking options, it'll be just as expensive as the V10 anyway.

Ruskins

221 posts

122 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Bah! Was hoping that the 5 cylinder Turbo from the RS3 was gonna go in with a manual box, those sound nicer.

Terminator X

15,107 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Ruskins said:
Bah! Was hoping that the 5 cylinder Turbo from the RS3 was gonna go in with a manual box, those sound nicer.
Can't see that engine appearing anywhere other than RS3 / TTRS as it is their USP after all.

TX.

greenarrow

3,600 posts

118 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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The current basic V10 gets from 0-100 in the low 7 secs bracket with 533BHP, so I've now doubt a lighter torquier V6 with around 500BHp will be somewhere in that region, so in other words faster than a TT RS and faster than the lower end 911s and the Aston Martin Vantage. Fast enough then!

Housey

2,076 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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simonbamg said:
CaptainRAVE said:
It won't be quicker than the V10. It has the potential to be, but won't be.
It might be
450bhp v 610bhp

Going to need a st load of weight reduction...or 540bhp'ish in non Plus version, still needs a st tonne of weight reduction.

JohnGoodridge

529 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Housey said:
simonbamg said:
CaptainRAVE said:
It won't be quicker than the V10. It has the potential to be, but won't be.
It might be
450bhp v 610bhp

Going to need a st load of weight reduction...or 540bhp'ish in non Plus version, still needs a st tonne of weight reduction.
Lots of space to extend the V10 = quicker

Less space + tighter turns = V6 agility and turbo-torque quicker.

It's at what point the V10 becomes quicker really. My guess is it'll be over 100mph (bit like the old e90 M3 and e6 M5 or gallardo and murcielago were pretty well matched until about a ton). I suspect buyers will buy the v10 for noise and drama, and bragging rights.


RumbleOfThunder

3,560 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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"Obviously it would be lighter, too - and that virtue certainly helped the V8's case when measured against big brother."

Skeptical face on that one by the time the turbo's, IC's and associated plumbing has been considered.

gofasterrosssco

1,238 posts

237 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Might we then see the V10 being replaced with the V8T engine in the current RS6/7 (or a development there of).. Presumably there will be some cross development (e.g. charge-cooling systems, heat management) between potential V6 and V8 versions. I am speculating of course.

These will probably (need to) come in the ~700bhp flavour to take on the 911T, McLaren variants etc.