RE: Porsche 919 Evo annihilates Nordschleife record

RE: Porsche 919 Evo annihilates Nordschleife record

Tuesday 3rd July 2018

Porsche 919 Evo Nordschleife record: Update

The dust has barely settled on 5mins 19.545 - and already there's talk about what comes next...



Update, 02-07-18

So we've had the weekend to think about it. And Timo Bernhard's history-making lap still seems ridiculous. Covering 12.94 miles of any road in 5 minutes and 19.55 seconds is faintly absurd; to do it on the Nordschleife, at an average speed of 145.3mph, is otherworldly.

Of course, this is Porsche we're talking about, with an LMP1 car to boot, so nothing was left to chance. According to Top Gear, the team had been on the simulators for months, and considered a 5 minute 30 second lap 'within pretty easy reach' - which feels like standing on the cliffs of Dover in your swimming trunks and saying France shouldn't be too hard to get to.

But the next day, on a warm-up - bang - 5 minutes 31 seconds. New tyres on, proper go - 5 minutes 24 seconds. More new tyres, Timo reconsiders his line: 5 minutes 19.545 results. "I didn't want to arrive and say 'that's the lap time I'm targeting'," he told TG afterwards, "I just wanted a car I was comfortable with and which I could generate speed in. Then in the end whatever lap time comes out, comes out.

 

Now, the Monday afternoon after the Friday morning. The video speaks, naturally, volumes. As does that gap to Stefan Bellof's 35-year-old record - 51.58 seconds, enough hypothetical time for Bernhard to have climbed from the car and read the front page of that day's Bild before the 620hp '83 Rothmans 956 hoved into view.

But there is plenty of room now for everyone else to speak too. Autocar reports Christian Horner having already done so: "I'm not sure a Formula 1 car could actually do it," having been asked the obvious question, "but I think that the Valkyrie -- certainly the track version of the Valkyrie -- could be a contender," he said.

Whatever you make of Aston Martin's forthcoming £2.5m hypercar, designed by demigod Adrian Newey and built in partnership with Red Bull, the prospect is a tantalising one. The 1,000hp-plus model is said to possess materials and components beyond even the reach of LMP1, and will reputedly deliver up to 1,816kg of downforce.

Then there is the Mercedes-AMG Project One, and others beyond. The flood gates, one suspects, having been closed firmly shut for the best part of four decades, are now wide open; the gauntlet flung to the floor by Timo and a race team with nothing much else to do. So 5 minutes 19.55 seconds is where we're at, and it's extraordinary. But in 12 months time? Your guess is as good as ours - although that five minute barrier seems close enough to easily become a thing...


Original story, 29-07-18

We thought this might happen. Porsche has spent the last few months parading its Le Mans-winning 919 Hybrid around Europe, apparently on some sort of extended victory lap. It hasn't done it quietly either. Oh no. Instead it reached into the former LMP1 car, and gleefully stripped out all the power-sapping elements stipulated by the WEC to create the 919 Evo - a Frankenstein's monster of a machine that knocked almost a second off Lewis Hamilton's qualifying lap at Spa last year.

Now it seems like that was just a warm-up for the main event. Porsche likely had Stefan Bellof's 35 year-0ld Nordschleife record in mind from the start. After all, there is no timed lap anywhere in the world held in the same regard as one recorded at the Nurburgring, and the 6mins 11.13secs set by the Porsche 956 in 1983 has since passed into legend. What better way to top off the 919's 'Tribute Tour' than smashing its ancestors benchmark?


And 'smashing' is the right word. The 6mins 11.13secs it took Bellof to lap the Green Hell was (and is) an outrageous time, even taking into account the savagery of the 956. Now Porsche - or more specifically Timo Bernhard - has knocked the best part of a minute off the record, managing 5mins 19.546secs after a first run of 5mins 24.375secs. For reference, it took Kenny Brack 6mins 43.22secs to get a 1000hp McLaren P1 round in May 2017. The manufacturer has been hardly any slower in uploading the onboard footage to YouTube - and if the fact of that incredible time hasn't sunk in yet, prepare yourself for something special.

How did Porsche pull it off? Well, huge credit must obviously go to Timo (who presumably finds it hard to walk with two watermelons in his boxer shorts) but it's hard not to return the spotlight to what is plainly a remarkable car. Without the mandated fuel flow restrictor, the Evo's V4 engine develops 720hp, with its similarily unshackled electric motors delivering an additional 440hp. It has shed 39kg in weight, meaning it now weighs 849kg - about the same as a Lotus Elise. Oh and it produces 53 per cent more downforce than the LMP1 version, together with a 66 per cent increase in aerodynamic efficiency. Even before today, the Evo could credibly be called one of the fastest motor cars ever made. Now Porsche can claim to have proved it.

 

 

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suffolk009

Original Poster:

5,399 posts

165 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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That an unimaginable time. 5.19. wow.

wowman

66 posts

153 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Great!

This is motorsport as I like it: Find a technical solution to fulfil a given task in the shortest possible time. No restrictions. No luddism.

Congratulations to Porsche.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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But. How. It. What. Time Travel?

sagerhead

105 posts

205 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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WOW! I can't wait to see the footage.

unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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I think it's been known for forever that a no limits racecar could smash any circuit record you care to mention given enough budget. I have much more respect for Bellof's attempt TBH.

Shaoxter

4,078 posts

124 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Looking forward to the on board footage! The videos from the fastest road cars already seem unfathomably fast, and this is 1.5 mins quicker...

ZOLLAR

19,908 posts

173 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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sagerhead said:
WOW! I can't wait to see the footage.
Expect it to be 5 minutes and 19 seconds of this hehe


Superdavros

236 posts

232 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Its been a good communications tour.... Considering Porsche weren't at Le Mans, Alonso plus all the other WEC news etc etc, Porsche have kept hold of the limelight very well..

Fair play, though, its clearly a chuffing quick device, though the romanticism of Stefan Bellof in a 956 is hard to compete with.

CedricN

820 posts

145 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Absolutely astonishing, the perception of speed must be completely ridiculous on that track. Like driving a sports bike full throttle in a long hallway smile


We also have to remember that the track is much faster today than it was then, so much smother as it get shaved and smothened out every year, bellofs achievement is not any less impressive. for the time i would say even more impressive.

I wonder how long this record will stand, i guess for a really long time smile

Kawasicki

13,083 posts

235 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Praise be.

Now we just need a race series.

untakenname

4,969 posts

192 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Looking forward to the on board, hopefully it will be one angle and not loads of quick fire editing.

Now all they need to do is send it around the IOM TT course....

Don Colione

93 posts

76 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Could someone please exercise some journalistic integrity around here and let everyone know that the current iteration of the nurburgring is not the same one as in 1983.

Since the NISMO Skyline crash a few years ago in 2015: http://www.thedrive.com/watch-this/11288/watch-thi... ..

The track has been apparently extensively reworked, and all of a sudden the cheating (surprise) VAG group starts setting all of these new records there every few months now.

The German govt 'coincidentally' made these changes right around the time that Koenigsegg was about to possibly smash their Porsche 918 record.

Since then VAG has been racking them up....

Any "record" after the alteration of the track should definitely get an asterisk! Consider how hard it was for any manufacturer to break the 7 minute mark before the changes to the track.

Congratulations VAG on another successful attempt at fooling the public, and using the bought out press to do it. so no on calls them out on it.............

stew-STR160

8,006 posts

238 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Don Colione said:
Could someone please exercise some journalistic integrity around here and let everyone know that the current iteration of the nurburgring is not the same one as in 1983.

Since the NISMO Skyline crash a few years ago in 2015: http://www.thedrive.com/watch-this/11288/watch-thi... ..

The track has been apparently extensively reworked, and all of a sudden the cheating (surprise) VAG group starts setting all of these new records there every few months now.

The German govt 'coincidentally' made these changes right around the time that Koenigsegg was about to possibly smash their Porsche 918 record.

Since then VAG has been racking them up....

Any "record" after the alteration of the track should definitely get an asterisk! Consider how hard it was for any manufacturer to break the 7 minute mark before the changes to the track.

Congratulations VAG on another successful attempt at fooling the public, and using the bought out press to do it. so no on calls them out on it.............
This.

Davey S2

13,096 posts

254 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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1,160 bhp in something that weigh same as an Elise.

I genuinely can't get my head around that.

PhilboSE

4,356 posts

226 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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unpc said:
I think it's been known for forever that a no limits racecar could smash any circuit record you care to mention given enough budget. I have much more respect for Bellof's attempt TBH.
Bellof's car was pretty much unrestricted in the modern sense - built down to 800kg and I guess the main restriction was the 2.65l engine capacity. But a lot of safety systems mandatory today weren't present then.

So what we're saying is that the pinnacle of racing tech in 2018 is faster than the pinnacle of racing tech in 1983, which of course is no surprise.

But I have to say the margin of beating the record is simply astonishing. Take 10 seconds off the record and we'd have been impressed, given how hard it has been to get close to 6:11. But to take nearly a whole minute off...as others has said, the onboard video is going to be mindwarping.

IMO both Bellof and this attempt mandate utmost respect.

Kawasicki

13,083 posts

235 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Don Colione said:
Could someone please exercise some journalistic integrity around here and let everyone know that the current iteration of the nurburgring is not the same one as in 1983.

Since the NISMO Skyline crash a few years ago in 2015: http://www.thedrive.com/watch-this/11288/watch-thi... ..

The track has been apparently extensively reworked, and all of a sudden the cheating (surprise) VAG group starts setting all of these new records there every few months now.

The German govt 'coincidentally' made these changes right around the time that Koenigsegg was about to possibly smash their Porsche 918 record.

Since then VAG has been racking them up....

Any "record" after the alteration of the track should definitely get an asterisk! Consider how hard it was for any manufacturer to break the 7 minute mark before the changes to the track.

Congratulations VAG on another successful attempt at fooling the public, and using the bought out press to do it. so no on calls them out on it.............
Hmm, do you think the German government planned the Nismo crash to scupper the Konigsegg attempt?

shortar53

548 posts

273 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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From dickiemeaden on twittor.

"So, approach to Schwedenkreuz was 344kmh, took crest at 322... VMAX on Dottinger was 369kmh, lap average 233.9kmh. Holy. fk"

PhilboSE

4,356 posts

226 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Don Colione said:
Could someone please exercise some journalistic integrity around here and let everyone know that the current iteration of the nurburgring is not the same one as in 1983.

Since the NISMO Skyline crash a few years ago in 2015: http://www.thedrive.com/watch-this/11288/watch-thi... ..

The track has been apparently extensively reworked, and all of a sudden the cheating (surprise) VAG group starts setting all of these new records there every few months now.

The German govt 'coincidentally' made these changes right around the time that Koenigsegg was about to possibly smash their Porsche 918 record.

Since then VAG has been racking them up....

Any "record" after the alteration of the track should definitely get an asterisk! Consider how hard it was for any manufacturer to break the 7 minute mark before the changes to the track.

Congratulations VAG on another successful attempt at fooling the public, and using the bought out press to do it. so no on calls them out on it.............
Yes the track is slightly different. As you're so worked up about it, perhaps you can tell us the exact nature of the impact of the changes, in terms of length and like-for-like times around the 2 circuits?

The track is what it is. How you perceive this means that only VAG can now set records there is utterly beyond me.


anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Don Colione said:
Could someone please exercise some journalistic integrity around here and let everyone know that the current iteration of the nurburgring is not the same one as in 1983.

Since the NISMO Skyline crash a few years ago in 2015: http://www.thedrive.com/watch-this/11288/watch-thi... ..

The track has been apparently extensively reworked, and all of a sudden the cheating (surprise) VAG group starts setting all of these new records there every few months now.

The German govt 'coincidentally' made these changes right around the time that Koenigsegg was about to possibly smash their Porsche 918 record.

Since then VAG has been racking them up....

Any "record" after the alteration of the track should definitely get an asterisk! Consider how hard it was for any manufacturer to break the 7 minute mark before the changes to the track.

Congratulations VAG on another successful attempt at fooling the public, and using the bought out press to do it. so no on calls them out on it.............
obvious troll is obvious!

Of course the track has changed. Every single track in the world is different now to how it was 40 years ago!

And regarding the k'egg, well, the tracks still there ain't it, so they can go out and smash the 919 time, easy peasy, no one is stopping them! (except they can't because there is no way they are going to get close to a 5min time with a non aero car.....)


For me, it makes the original record even more astonishing, as crashing back then (much less safety in the car, compared to a modern Carbon fibre sports car) would carry much greater penalty than crashing a 919 today

Debaser

5,848 posts

261 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Great effort from Porsche, and Timo Bernhard!