RE: Honda Legend: Spotted

RE: Honda Legend: Spotted

Saturday 30th June 2018

Honda Legend: Spotted

No car was less suited to its name than the 2005 Legend. Today, Honda Bargain might be a better fit



Okay, in the pantheon of great executive cars it's fair to say the Honda Legend never quite cut the mustard. In its first incarnation, back when it shared its underpinnings with the contemporary Rover 800, it was obviously brilliant in patches and desperately dull in others. It was exquisitely made, of course - much to Rover's embarrassment - but too pricey, and even if you were swayed by the looks or the quality no one would part with over £30k for a front-wheel drive Honda when they could have had a BMW or a Merc for the same money.

And the story remained pretty much the same right up until the last UK Legend, the 2005 model. This was smaller than the older cars but roomier, thanks to its transverse engine, and if it looked as beige as the older models on the surface underneath it was laden with some innovative and deeply impressive technology.


That it had a competent engine can be taken for granted. Its 295hp 3.5-litre V6 was gloriously smooth and refined and lively enough to push the Legend - which alas was no lightweight - from a standstill to 60mph in just over seven seconds and on to a competitive top speed of 155mph.

But its USP was its four-wheel-drive system, labelled SH-AWD. This beauty could turn the outside rear wheel faster than the others when cornering to reduce understeer and shift up to 70 per cent of the engine's power either front or rear. At the rear axle, it could move 100 per cent of it to either side, wherever it was most needed. It even allowed the front and rear axles to turn at a different speed, the better to aid traction and stability in fast cornering.


On the road it was quiet, rode well and handled eagerly. It had a neat five-speed sequential autobox, too. Inside was a well-built and solid interior that was fully leathered up and equipped with all the latest tech. It was, if we're honest, a bit dull, like an old friend you haven't got the heart to shake off, but like a lot of quiet people it at least had hidden depths.

No one bought it new, of course, and so there are precious few to buy used, but we found a well-maintained 2009 example with an average mileage and a full Honda service history that's actually, at £5800, reasonably priced.


What you'd get is years of luxury motoring - quite possibly trouble-free - and unlikely though it seems a car you could take by the scruff of its neck and thrash without fear of coming massively unstuck. And if no one notices your dowdy Legend consider that a good thing, too: stealthy speed is always better than unwanted attention.

See the full ad here

Mark Pearson


SPECIFICATION - HONDA LEGEND (2005)
Engine: Front 3.5-litre V6
Transmission: Five-speed sequential automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 295hp
Torque (lb ft): 259
0-60mph: 7.3 seconds
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1878kg
CO2: 273g/km
Price new: £35,835
Price now: £5,800

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oilit

Original Poster:

2,626 posts

178 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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I did smile when I looked at the ad: .."This model also comes equipped with SH-AWD (super handling - all wheel drive system), CMBS (collision mitigation breaking system), Advanced Driver Assist"

The seller says he is selling due to advancing years - so doesn't the 'Advanced Driver Assist' work properly then?

As for the 'CMBS (collision mitigation breaking system)' - last time I looked all breaking systems were for collision mitigation!!

I'll get my coat - but before I go - I choked on my coffee when I saw the price - for some reason I was expecting this to be in shed territory

Lovely looking car though.

Jag_NE

2,979 posts

100 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The price looks pretty fair, especially so if it is in truly “beautiful” condition. Very niche car but probably a lovely barge for someone who doesn’t do a lot of miles. I’m sure these are very well made but given the tech on them they must be vulnerable to a big bill or two.

Hotel India

456 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Really like this. Much more preferrable than a Phaeton. 4WD takes away the main problem of the old model (which I drove a little, albeit an import).

Hmm: this or a C6? Don't fancy any other luxobarge as much as these two. But try finding a petrol C6.

Cambs_Stuart

2,868 posts

84 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Always thought these were Good value for money. A decent rival barge to a GS300 Lexus.

rtz62

3,368 posts

155 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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When I was a police officer, this was called a ‘bank robbers car’ by my erstwhile colleague.
Why?
Well, if robbers used one as a getaway car it would be hard to describe it, as it blends in with no significant difining features.
Hence my colleague giving it’s alternative moniker, ‘grey porridge’...

forzaminardi

2,290 posts

187 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Very good cars, underrated by most in almost every way. Only the top tax rate stops it being today's ultimate barge bargain (if you can find one).

Plug Life

978 posts

91 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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"Legend" biggrin

jet_noise

5,648 posts

182 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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"No car was less suited to its name than the 2005 Legend"

Are you sure...

bigvanfan

378 posts

132 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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I didn’t know these had nearly 300 hp in them!

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Will see many more years in service as a mini-cab I'm sure...

Meantime, buy a Phaeton.

crosseyedlion

2,175 posts

198 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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I had one of these:

Superb comfort, equipment, refinement.

The SH-AWD used to slightly defy physics when you pushed it.

Not so great auto box calibration (worked much better when used as tiptronic)

It used to drive itself on DC's and Motorways (excellent auto-steer and active cruise)

Dull steering and underdamped ride (felt very 'American')

Overall an excellent car though, Although a Merc E500, BMW 530-545i or Audi A6 4.2 provide a much more enjoyable experience for similar money.

Black S2K

1,471 posts

249 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Jag_NE said:
The price looks pretty fair, especially so if it is in truly “beautiful” condition. Very niche car but probably a lovely barge for someone who doesn’t do a lot of miles. I’m sure these are very well made but given the tech on them they must be vulnerable to a big bill or two.
You'd think that, if you're used to Euro crap!

Despite being laden with what in their day were very advanced electronic devices, they are incredibly durable.

OK, parts prices are hideous, but you need very few - typical Jap crap, IOW.

406dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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oilit said:
As for the 'CMBS (collision mitigation breaking system)' - last time I looked all breaking systems were for collision mitigation!!
I find your ability to throw disdain without noting the glaring spelling error disturbing...

Clearly not fully indoctrinated into the grammar police but yet exercising their powers - curious....

406dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Will see many more years in service as a mini-cab I'm sure...

Meantime, buy a Phaeton.
If you wish to see repair bills which literally are telephone numbers, a Phaeton is definately the car-of-choice.

Almost everything on them is bespoke to them - there are almost no third-party or scrap spares, everything is a dealer part and the prices are mind-bending.

I recently enquired (for a customer) about a door window control module and I'm fairly sure, given the price I was quoted (along with a massive delivery time) that they'd mistaken my enquiry as a request for a new engine...

Black S2K

1,471 posts

249 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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crosseyedlion said:
I had one of these:

Superb comfort, equipment, refinement.

The SH-AWD used to slightly defy physics when you pushed it.

Not so great auto box calibration (worked much better when used as tiptronic)

It used to drive itself on DC's and Motorways (excellent auto-steer and active cruise)

Dull steering and underdamped ride (felt very 'American')

Overall an excellent car though, Although a Merc E500, BMW 530-545i or Audi A6 4.2 provide a much more enjoyable experience for similar money.
The SH-AWD only really works properly in manual mode - the gearbox is otherwise too retarded and probably the reason why few of the hacks ever got it at the time.

You also have to be brave enough to keep the power in and then (especially the more atrocious the driving conditions) the more astounding it is.

So you get three options; boring FWD understeer.

Neutrality.

Drift King with a huge margin of impunity.

The 18" models have I believe, the Acura A-spec suspension as well, which is a pretty good compromise between handling and not riding too much like a skateboard, when on the correct-spec Yokohamas,

The non-ACC/CMBS models still have old-fashioned hydraulic PAS, which is a very good thing.

I never realised an Ueber could be so very pleasant...



CharlieAlphaMike

1,137 posts

105 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Who said these were reliable? I just checked the MOT History for this vehicle and it shows an MOT fail at 84595 miles due to the 'nearside registration Plate lamp not working' smile

Looks like a 'nice barge' to me. Maybe not the most engaging drive but I'm sure it will waft with the best of them.

hammerpads

5 posts

127 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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I’ve had mine for almost 4 years, bargain second hand from main dealer with a warranty. Kept the full Honda service history going and it runs like a gem. I like the anonymity of it and the way it wafts around which is why my other half refers to it as ‘wafty’. The tech was definitely ahead of its time and is still excellent. I particularly like the radar cruise control and air con seats. To get the power you’ve got to hit the VTEC yo, but on a long motorway cruise 🚢 I get up to 29mpg. Road tax is hefty though 😞
I’ll be keeping mine for a long while yet, 135k and still going strong. It’s a Honda innit

EDLT

15,421 posts

206 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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I think these were far more popular in the US with an Acura badge on the front. It seems like it was aimed at Americans more than anyone else.

Black S2K

1,471 posts

249 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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EDLT said:
I think these were far more popular in the US with an Acura badge on the front. It seems like it was aimed at Americans more than anyone else.
The Acura RL sold marginally better, but was dismissed as a sales disaster there too. Being designed in Japan, it was too innocuous-looking and too small(!) for their market. They made it uglier (we didn't get that version) and gave it a 3.7, but that didn't help. It was relatively successful in Japan.

The real replacement was cancelled post-Lehman, so they re-bodied it as the Acura RLX. Google that, if you fancy a laugh....

Ocellia

186 posts

149 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Hotel India said:
Really like this. Much more preferrable than a Phaeton. 4WD takes away the main problem of the old model (which I drove a little, albeit an import).

Hmm: this or a C6? Don't fancy any other luxobarge as much as these two. But try finding a petrol C6.
There's a petrol C6 for sale right now.......just look a little