RE: New Silverstone FWD record for Type R

RE: New Silverstone FWD record for Type R

Monday 2nd July 2018

New Silverstone FWD record for Type R

Hot Civic beats benchmark time set by its predecessor as Time Attack tour continues



Honda's Time Attack tour is continuing apace as the manufacturer attempts to replicate the success of its previous set of record runs. Having already beaten front-wheel drive records at Magny-Cours and Spa, the FK8 has now claimed another fastest time at the home of British motorsport, Silverstone.

We had previously speculated that the track could be next on Honda's hit list, although it was three-time BTCC champion Matt Neal behind the wheel, rather than our pick of Jenson Button. Neal set a time of 2:31.32, just beating the previous record of 2:31.85 set by the previous Civic Type R in 2016.

"Where I found the real advantage of the Type R was really in the high-speed corners - the stability which is a combination of the aero and the new advanced suspension system," said Neal. "Into corners like Copse and Stowe at the end of the Hangar straight, you can carry big entry speed with supreme confidence."

Estoril and the Hungaroring are next, with Button and WTCC driver Tiago Monteiro yet to take the wheel. For now, though, you can compare and contrast the 2016 and 2018 record laps below.

 

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ukaskew

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10,642 posts

221 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Half a second over a 2:30 lap is press release worthy? I can only assume the marketing dept were sweating a bit when - presumably - the first however many laps failed to best the 'record'.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Good stuff. I think these look great, and I’m going to get a test drive in one before long.

NJ72

183 posts

98 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Not really blown away by that if I'm honest...

"THE NEW CIVIC IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE LAST ONE!"

Half a second over a 2:30 lap later... With a different driver...

"SEE, WE TOLD YOU!"

JD

2,777 posts

228 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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This makes their Nürburgring record look even more suspicious.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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tumbleweed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .....

cvega

405 posts

159 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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all that time to develop and 0.5 second? Porsche would like a word with you....


.. it's a shame Type R got ruined by the FN2.

DanielSan

18,793 posts

167 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Im going to start breaking lap records no one else is trying to break. Seems easy enough to do...

Ex X Power

89 posts

138 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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what tyres are they allowed to use for this?... Doesnt seem particularly fast to me

hdrflow

854 posts

138 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Bit disappointing. I'd have expected him to carry a lot more speed at the end of Hangar Straight and into Stowe for example.

DanGPR

988 posts

171 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Ex X Power said:
what tyres are they allowed to use for this?... Doesnt seem particularly fast to me
I assume from the squealing and understeer that it's the tyres it leaves the showroom with (Conti Sport Contact 6, according to a quick google).
If you put a Michelin Cup 2 or Pirelli Trofeo R type tyre on I'd imagine you could take 10 seconds or more off.

Shiv_P

2,747 posts

105 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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The more I read about the Type R the more I like it biggrin

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Surprising. I know I was on NS2Rs (but the "slow" 180s) but I was close to that in the Megane, 2:32 I think despite 50hp less. And I am no BTCC ace.

Hitch

6,106 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech. I love a FWD hot hatch but the wide high speed corners of Silverstone is not exactly its natural habitat.

ETA - seems I watched the old one first.

Edited by Hitch on Monday 2nd July 22:50

Mr Tidy

22,330 posts

127 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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The more I have to look at them the uglier they seem!

Quickest FWD time at Silverstone - wow! banghead There ought to be something to compensate for all that squealing understeer.

This weekend we will see how quick laps are done, and none of those will be FWD - maybe there is a reason for that? laugh

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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At around 300ps understeer in the traction zone is really not a big issue with the right set up and a good diff. I believe F1s have a bit more power.

Most RWD road cars are set up for understeer anyway and making them drift under traction would mean an even slower lap time so I don't really understand what this has to do with which wheels are driven when the Honda are actually very neutral.

Everyone is a pundit though !

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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JD said:
This makes their Nürburgring record look even more suspicious.
Shhhhh, you're not allowed to say that. The lynch mob will be out.


I can hear them coming.................

RacerMike

4,205 posts

211 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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100% the Focus RS would beat that with Cup2s on it. I was within .5 of the previous record on Supersports with the standard engine map, so an RS with Cup2s and the Mountune map should do sub 2:30......really beg's the question as to how the Civic managed that 'Ring time given it's allegedly a full 20s faster than the Ford around there...

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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Now you've gone and done it.

RacerMike

4,205 posts

211 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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Ahbefive said:
Now you've gone and done it.
Trolololololol

John145

2,447 posts

156 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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Honda have put the start finish point on the 2 videos at different places making direct comparison a bit more difficult, however watching the 2 videos back to back...

The old car looks more neutral especially in the transitions, you can see the amount of corrective lock being put in. Looks more fun...! However the fk8 has higher ultimate grip and corner speeds are marginally faster however the fn2 is quicker to turn in which reduces the gap marginally.

The track layout is different too, with this latest attempt he is using the whole circuit and a bit, especially at Brooklands where on the old video there were bollards. With the fk8 he skips over the curb entirely.


Finally, I'd like to see a smooth driver like Lars Kern have a go, I expect there is more time to come off. The initial tip in is very aggressive and you can hear the front axle being saturated very quickly.