RE: PH Origins: Composite wheels

RE: PH Origins: Composite wheels

Monday 2nd July 2018

PH Origins: Composite wheels

Think lightweight, expensive and exotic composite wheels are a new trend? Think again!



In 1959, a Citroën ID 19 secured first place in the gruelling Monte Carlo Rally. The car, crewed by Paul Coltelloni, Pierre Alexandre and Claude Desrosiers, had fought off numerous competitive rivals - such as the Jaguar Mark 2 and Porsche 356 - to top the leaderboard.

Citroën had been rallying a DS since 1956 but the ID 19's victory, according to the company, compelled it to enter more races. It quickly established itself in the rallying scene, with ID 19s, DS 19s and DS 21s proving successful in a plethora of events.

Consequently, when the technological masterpiece that was the SM arrived in 1970, the decision was made to enter the new model in the 1971 Morocco Rally. A heavy, complicated coupe might seem an inadvisable choice for such an event but Citroën rarely ever took the logical, straightforward route - and was often all the better for it.


The cars would first campaign in Group 4, and permitted modifications were relatively few and far between. One element the engineers were keen to change, though, was the heavy steel wheels. These weighed in at some 11kg, contributing to the SM's comparatively hefty 1450kg kerb weight and reducing the effectiveness of its suspension and steering.

There were also concerns over durability, as impacts and flexing could bend or break the wheels. This issue also occurred with lighter aluminium alternatives, curtailing their possible use.

Michelin, which was controlling shareholder of the brand at the time, held the answer to Citroën's problem. It had, since the mid-1960s, been working on prototype injection- and compression-moulded wheels that used plastics, resins and fibreglass. There was a glut of potential advantages to such a wheel, ranging from reduced mass through to quick, painless manufacturing.


Reductions in the weight of the wheel, as well as being beneficial from a handling and ride standpoint, could also bring down the cost and weight of a vehicle itself - because the lighter rims would permit lighter chassis and suspension components.

In order to prove the capabilities of the technology, Michelin designed a set of advanced composite wheels for use on the SM rally cars. These wheels were reportedly fabricated out of sheet moulding compound, a reinforced composite produced by mixing fibreglass strands with resin, which was then compression moulded to form the one-piece wheel. The wheels weren't entirely fibreglass and resin, though, as a little metal reinforcement was added around the mounting holes to protect against cracking.

The wheels, dubbed 'RR' for 'Résine Renforcée', were produced at the company's Clermont-Ferrand plant. They measured 6Jx15 and weighed approximately 4.5kg each - which was over 50 per cent lighter than the equivalent steel wheel. They didn't have to be treated with kid gloves, either; according to Michelin they could withstand a load of 500kg each and, when it came to destructive flex testing, they lasted ten times longer than steel wheels.


Further adding to the appeal - from Michelin's perspective, at least - was the fact that they required no labour-intensive machining. The 'plastic' wheel-equipped SM subsequently won the 1971 Morocco rally, during which the wheels proved their durability.

They weren't prohibitively expensive either, despite their advanced nature, with reports suggesting pricing in line with a set of magnesium or alloy wheels. When listed in the options catalogue in December 1971, a set of RR wheels is stated to have cost 1200 French francs. That's equivalent to around £90 or, in today's money, about £1150. The SM, at the time, cost 51,800 French Francs - nearly £3800, or £50,000 today.

Citroën had high hopes for this Michelin innovation and half of all new SMs were expected to roll off the line on these remarkable wheels. Only around 1,250 sets were reputedly produced, though, compared to a total of 12,920 SMs. Seemingly, the price and fairly conventional look of the Michelin RR wheels - and perhaps, more prominently, the limited real-world benefits - worked against them. When production of the SM ended in 1975, so did production of the resin wheels.


Michelin didn't drop the RR project in its entirety, mind. It trialled the wheels on a Lincoln Continental Mark III, presumably in an effort to appeal to a wider array of manufacturers by showcasing the benefits of reductions in unsprung weight. It appears that Michelin may have been slightly ahead of the curve, though, as heat-induced issues were reported. In the SM, the front brakes were inboard and the composite wheels weren't exposed to high temperatures. In more conventional applications, they had to endure the full heat of the front brakes - which could cause cracking and warping.

Other manufacturers, including Dodge, later experimented with composite wheels. It wasn't until the wider introduction of carbon fibre, however, that durable one-piece composite wheels became a reality. Koenigsegg introduced its proprietary 'Aircore' carbon fibre wheels in 2013, which were claimed to save almost 20kg in unsprung mass. Ford followed in 2015, with carbon fibre wheels for the GT350R, and BMW and Porsche weren't far behind.

Suffice it to say that the premium for a set of labour-intensive carbon fibre wheels is significantly higher than Michelin's original fibreglass and resin offerings. When the new Porsche 911 Turbo S Exclusive Series was unveiled in August 2017, for example, the optional 9Jx20 and 11.5Jx20 carbon fibre wheels commanded an almighty €15,232 - equivalent to £13,624, at the time.

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Alex_6n2

Original Poster:

328 posts

200 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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My MEng R&D project at Bristol Uni was for carbon composite wheels. Getting heat out under heavy breaking was still the critical case and I wasn't clever enough to aerodynamically design something to draw the air out laugh

Worked with Dymag to replace their magnesium centres and make the two piece carbon/metal wheels of the time a single carbon design. Ended up with something very similar to Carbon Revolution in Australia.

What an absolute ARSE it was trying to layup the final design correctly (even with Bristol's composite centre experts). I have big admiration for the manufacturers doing even more complex wheels now and can understand why they are so labour intensive/expensive.

Lambo's "Forged" composite technology probably makes more sense for mass produced/affordable carbon composite wheels. Wonder if it works for that application?

scarble

5,277 posts

158 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Is there any reason newer polymers or carbon or aramid fibers couldn't be applied to Michelins SMC/BMC/DMC molding process?
Sounds like that's what Lamborghini solution is, sort of.
A machined core could also be used to lay up onto/around, whether that's metal as above, or a polymer or foam.

The temperature though.... bring back inboard brakes?
What if they're cf on the inside and metal on the outside? The metal would act as a heatsink but not need to be particularly thick.

Ninja59

3,691 posts

113 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Lay up with prepreg is more traditional and expensive and as said is one of the reasons it is slow, expensive and time consuming to do. Which is one of the reasons it tends to feature only on high end cars (although the Alfa 4C is probably the lowest it has come with a carbon tub using lay up!)

Resin Transfer Moulding (RTM) is becoming more common and is what BMW (for the I3 and I8 models) and Lamborghini use.

Problem with RTM is aesthetically it does not "look" like CF. So some might not enjoy this. The traditional lay up method is far more pretty.

RTM really started in the air industry though...

scarble

5,277 posts

158 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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But for mass market I say give us RTFM wheels and just paint them silver..
For all the benefits mentioned in the article, lower weight, lower unsprung weight so lighter suspension components, lighter car, better handing.

The idea of the A110 and 4C needs to come to the family hatchback.

MikeGalos

261 posts

285 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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Ninja59 said:
RTM really started in the air industry though...
Hence the Lamborghini/University of Washington research facility in Seattle, Washington, US being only a short drive from Boeing's primary R&D and manufacturing facilities. It pays to put your lab where the experts already live.

Ninja59

3,691 posts

113 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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scarble said:
But for mass market I say give us RTFM wheels and just paint them silver..
For all the benefits mentioned in the article, lower weight, lower unsprung weight so lighter suspension components, lighter car, better handing.

The idea of the A110 and 4C needs to come to the family hatchback.
Building tubs is completely different to building wheels though. Furthermore the types of carbon fabric and resin systems suitable will be completely different (and different between lay up and RTM).

That is before we start talking about commercial restrictions....

The other fact here is BMW have not really released a car with full CF wheels, the only car I know of was the M4 GTS, but only the wheel outer not the centre was CF. Unlike the others listed in the article.

Edited by Ninja59 on Monday 2nd July 17:24

Ninja59

3,691 posts

113 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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MikeGalos said:
Hence the Lamborghini/University of Washington research facility in Seattle, Washington, US being only a short drive from Boeing's primary R&D and manufacturing facilities. It pays to put your lab where the experts already live.
Hmm yes experts.

The experts really go down to the manufacturers of the fabrics and resins as well, and there is plenty of knowledge in the UK and USA.

Anyway it is nice to RTM being spoken about, even if in my experience my dad was talking about it nearly 2 decades ago (he spent 35 years in the CF world until retirement). Which was little more than a few test beds in a small separate facility next to a main CF factory in Wales.

Edited by Ninja59 on Monday 2nd July 17:21

unsprung

5,467 posts

125 months

Monday 2nd July 2018
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this is the sole modification that I wanted to do; it's actually the origin of my username hehe

imagine slashing multiple kgs of unsprung weight from each corner

"I know they're expensive, but -- who knows? -- why not enquire?" I thought to myself (this was back in 2007)

I was delighted when the Dymag distributor replied to my email in an earnest and timely manner

and, yes, the cost estimate was indeed an eye-watering sum

I run OEM wheels to this day [sigh]



scarble

5,277 posts

158 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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I feel like the easy/cheap composite options are generally not given enough thought, and that applies to materials and processes, and I suppose polymers in general and sandwiches too. Maybe car makers just aren't very daring with things that can't really be seen, benefits aren't reflected on spec sheet, not worth their effort to develop.
Still a low cost light weight composite family hatchback, with reasonable performance and emissions down to light weight rather than a complex powertrain, would be a breath of fresh air.

Ocellia

188 posts

150 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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Citroen were brilliant in 60s/70s. So many 'off-the-wall' ideas. But even the simple ones made sense; in-board brakes (no heavy wheels); self scouring hydraulics.....not to mention all the stuff folk know.

Wish I'd bought the ex-U2 owned 3 litre car Brodie offered me once! Fantastic stereo in it, was my lure!

LarJammer

2,240 posts

211 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2018
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No mention of the tweel??

https://www.michelintweel.com