RE: Mercedes C36/C43 AMG: PH Used Buying Guide

RE: Mercedes C36/C43 AMG: PH Used Buying Guide

Thursday 5th July 2018

Mercedes C36/C43 AMG: PH Used Buying Guide

Early AMG saloons might not have the same appeal as an M3 but they're more affordable. Here's what you need to know



In May 1993, Mercedes-Benz introduced the first generation of C-Class to the world - the compact 'W202' saloon. Besides marking the debut of the C-Class moniker, the replacement for the legendary 190E was also the first Mercedes to feature an official AMG variant in its line-up.

The C36 AMG, which arrived in the UK in 1994, was the initial offering. This car, which was based on a Mercedes-built C280 Sport and reworked by AMG, featured a host of upgrades and a naturally aspirated 3.6-litre straight-six engine that put out 280hp. The rear-drive saloon, which was designed as a rival to the six-cylinder M3, was capable of accelerating from 0-62mph in 6.7 seconds.

A V8 version followed in late 1997, packing a naturally aspirated 4.3-litre engine that thundered out 306hp - and, more prominently, 302lb ft. This allowed the factory Q-car to sprint from 0-62mph in just 6.5 seconds and, like the C36 AMG, to top out at 155mph. Unlike the C36, however, these versions were built in-house as an AMG from the ground up. An estate was also offered, in an effort to pull in more buyers.


These AMGs were admittedly not as gratifying to drive as contemporaries such as the E36 generation of BMW M3 - but they weren't devoid of plus points; sweet engines aside, their stout, subtle and comfortable nature granted them considerable appeal.

Today, they're also far more affordable than the equivalent BMW. Driveable projects start from around £2,000 and sound high-mileage examples commanding upwards of £4,000. Even an immaculate low-mileage car will rarely command more than £10,000. Parts supply is also good, from both aftermarket sources and Mercedes-Benz, further making them a tempting choice.

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Bodywork and interior

Like conventional versions of the W202 C-Class, these AMGs can suffer from substantial rust-related problems. Front wings are a common failure point, leading to some fairly ugly cosmetic issues, but panels are readily available and only cost around £60. Some cars, on the flip side, are comparatively free from corrosion - so it's worth seeking out a smart example.

Keep an eye out for signs of crash damage and subsequent poor repairs. In any case, get a decent history check on any prospective purchase in order to avoid ending up with a duff example.

Windscreens often delaminate, resulting in cloudy and milky sections in the glass. Replacement is the only solution; a new windscreen will cost around £300.


Moisture can work its way through the seal in the glass headlights. A DIY fix is possible but you may find that moisture is getting in through a crack in the glass. These can sometimes be repaired but, in the worst case, a replacement unit is around £60.

The interiors are durable and major issues are rare. Make sure everything functions as expected, though, including the mechanism for the single windscreen wiper - which should extend into the corners of the screens as it travels and should also operate in a smooth, quick fashion.

Engine and transmission

The C36's 3.6-litre straight-six engine can suffer from head gasket failure. As a result, you need to carefully look for any signs of overheating or cross-contamination of the oil and coolant. Make a point of looking for external oil leaks, too.

The C43's V8, on the other hand, is a durable unit that should soldier on indefinitely provided it is properly maintained. They do have two plugs per cylinder, though, so bear that in mind if a service is coming up. Regardless of engine choice, listen for any rattles from the catalytic converters as these are expensive to replace.


Early C36s came with a four-speed automatic which is tough if maintained properly, so check the quality of the transmission fluid and look for evidence of routine servicing. The later five-speed transmission, which was also the only option in the V8 C43, is less reliable. Rear ends, however, are generally trouble-free.

One of the Achilles heels of early W202s is their biodegradable engine harness, which ages prematurely and causes intermittent electrical issues. This tends to only be a problem in W202s built from '93-'95, however, and particularly cars that have lived their lives in city traffic - where the engine bay temperatures rise regularly, exacerbating degradation of the harness. Repairs are possible but, in most cases, replacing the entire thing is the most sensible option. Complete looms cost upwards of £400 but take a considerable amount of time to replace.

These wiring harness issues can damage the ECU in the worst case but, fortunately, can often be easily repaired.


Suspension and steering

Time and mileage will have likely taken their toll on an AMG from this era, resulting in a plethora of potential suspension-related issues such as worn ball joints and tired bushes in the lower wishbones. Fortunately, spares are readily available. A wishbone will set you back in the region of £70, including bushes, while a lower ball joint - for example - will cost only £15.

If the steering feels slack and imprecise then the steering damper may be failing. These cost around £30 and can vastly improve the handling of a C36 or C43.

A range of suspension upgrades are available, ranging from £150 strut braces through to £300 lowering springs. Aftermarket bushes and dampers are also available, for those looking to sharpen up their W202 further.


Wheels, tyres and brakes

Braking components for the C36 and C43 are easy to find. A set of brand-name front discs and pads will cost £100, for example. Even callipers aren't costly, coming in at around £70 a corner, and braided brake line kits cost £90. Ensure that the ABS functions as expected, though, as repairs could quickly get expensive.

Tyres for the C36 and C43 aren't difficult to come by. The correct specification is 225/45 ZR 17 up front and 245/40 ZR 17 out back; good name-brand tyres for the front axle will set you back upwards of £70 a corner, while the rears will cost around £100 apiece. Check the 'Monoblock' wheels for any sign of damage, though, in case you need to budget for refurbishing them.

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SPECIFICATION - MERCEDES-BENZ C36 AMG/C43 AMG (W202)

Engine: 3,606cc I6/4,266cc V8
Transmission: 4-speed automatic (5-speed from 1996 on)/5-speed automatic
Power (hp): 280/306@5,750/5,850rpm
Torque (lb ft): 284/302@4,000/3,250rpm
MPG: 25mpg/24mpg
CO2: N/A
Price new: £42,820/£47,420 (1998)
Price now: £4,000 upwards

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Filibuster

Original Poster:

3,154 posts

215 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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I have always liked this first gen C-Class.
It's probably one of the last Mercedes shapes to become a classic.

What is the build quality in the interior like?

Chris944_S2

1,916 posts

223 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Filibuster said:
I have always liked this first gen C-Class.
It's probably one of the last Mercedes shapes to become a classic.

What is the build quality in the interior like?
On my C43 the interior was generally very well screwed together, never had any squeaks or rattles.
I had the two-tone light silver/Black interior that you see fairly regularly. On many of these the coloured part of the steering wheel wears and ages badly, although on mine it was fine. I think that’s the only weak point inside. Oh, and it’s a bit dull in standard fake carbon trim, I find them much nicer with Designo wood interiors but it’s a very rare option.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Rust, head gasket failures, wiring loom issues and at the end of the day it's another Mercedes square box, think I'd just find the extra for the vastly superior M3.

maxwellwd

267 posts

86 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Didn't they also make the C55 as well? Sure I remember these in the late 90s/early 00s. Quite rare I believe though. Sure I remember seeing one in the film 'Romeo must die' with Jet Li

Lewis Kingston

240 posts

77 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Filibuster said:
What is the build quality in the interior like?
Echoing Chris944_S2's comments, I've generally found them to hold up very well. As is the case with most cars of this age, though, if they've bounced through a series of uncaring owners then they can get a bit tatty inside – tears in the seats, the usual.

As a slightly tenuous example, my dad had a C240 that he put 80,000 miles on (only needing a battery in the process). It looked like this inside, when he came to sell it, and it was completely free from rattles and creaks.







A surprisingly good car, that one, on reflection. Could never quite handle the blue interior, myself, though... biggrin

Lewis Kingston

240 posts

77 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Aes87 said:
"..commanding upwards of £4000.."

Lol
You might laugh but, if you want one - and, as stated, mileage isn't a concern - then there's plenty out there for that kind of money. Even C43s; this one, for example, is up for £4495 on everyone's favourite auction site.



Even the MOT history is pretty decent. You can even spend less if you want, mind; I watched a C43 (needed a set of front wings but had plenty of key parts replaced) with an MOT sell for £2800 recently.

In short, you don't need to pay a terrific amount - unless you're looking for an immaculate or low-mileage example. Just depends what you want out of it, at the end of the day.

Lewis Kingston

240 posts

77 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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maxwellwd said:
Didn't they also make the C55 as well? Sure I remember these in the late 90s/early 00s. Quite rare I believe though. Sure I remember seeing one in the film 'Romeo must die' with Jet Li
They did indeed - but they don't appear to have been officially offered here (reports suggest, at least, that none were ever sold here). Reputedly, only 30-odd RHD W202 C55s were ever built, so they are a rare beast indeed. Autocar tested one, back in the day! smile

If anyone knows more, though, do shout...

AmosMoses

4,042 posts

165 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Was looking over that red one on eBay the other day, bloody lovely thing!

Lewis Kingston

240 posts

77 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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AmosMoses said:
Was looking over that red one on eBay the other day, bloody lovely thing!
Does look the part, doesn't it! I saw the very same car for sale in January this year and, at the time, its comparatively rust-free nature (based on the history and pictures, at least) made it quite appealing - plus I'd never seen a red one until it popped up. Appears to have ended up at a dealer, so perhaps the owner ended up part-exchanging it for something else. Could be one worth investigating, at any rate...

P-Jay

10,565 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Lewis Kingston said:
maxwellwd said:
Didn't they also make the C55 as well? Sure I remember these in the late 90s/early 00s. Quite rare I believe though. Sure I remember seeing one in the film 'Romeo must die' with Jet Li
They did indeed - but they don't appear to have been officially offered here (reports suggest, at least, that none were ever sold here). Reputedly, only 30-odd RHD W202 C55s were ever built, so they are a rare beast indeed. Autocar tested one, back in the day! smile

If anyone knows more, though, do shout...
Intriguing, seems the C55 was a special order thing rather than a mainstream model - basically you ordered a C43 and then paid €30k to the 'special team' within the 'special team' that was AMG to convert it to a C55 by modifying the body to accept a parts bin build of engine and diff from the CLK55. 30LHD, 29RHD

KiranJay

2 posts

69 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Hi Lewis K., have you got any plans to write about the next gen of E performance cars from these - I'm specifically talking about the 2012 E500 Coupe. Having owned and driven many much more pricier performance cars (911/Continental GT/ Audi etc) I must say, I snapped up one of these in the mid-20s a few years ago, a very low mileage car from a Merc dealer near me, and I must say...what a beast in sheep's clothing!

4.7 litre, twin-turbo V8, rear wheel drive - and all packaged in an E coupe body on a C class platform. It's really a special car that never gets the attention it deserves. As a daily driver it is spectacular, as you can get two large suitcases in the boot and have two adults sat in the back! Might be worth a PH review at some stage?


loose cannon

6,030 posts

241 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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I remember brand new c43 gearboxes going into limp mode because they couldn’t handle the ragging back from the storage centre 15 miles away
C36, replace a couple of coils 2 days later new Ecu required. front cover seals pissing out oil regularly,
I liked the c43 but they just eat gearboxes if you have anything more than a slightly heavy right foot

maxwellwd

267 posts

86 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Lewis Kingston said:
maxwellwd said:
Didn't they also make the C55 as well? Sure I remember these in the late 90s/early 00s. Quite rare I believe though. Sure I remember seeing one in the film 'Romeo must die' with Jet Li
They did indeed - but they don't appear to have been officially offered here (reports suggest, at least, that none were ever sold here). Reputedly, only 30-odd RHD W202 C55s were ever built, so they are a rare beast indeed. Autocar tested one, back in the day! smile

If anyone knows more, though, do shout...
Very interesting, thanks. Certainly a bit of a unicorn car then. I believe they did put this engine in the W203 though?

ZX10R NIN

27,604 posts

125 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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That's one to add to the cars you didn't know they existed.

tiptreegeek

43 posts

118 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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cb1965 said:
Rust, head gasket failures, wiring loom issues and at the end of the day it's another Mercedes square box, think I'd just find the extra for the vastly superior M3.
Like wise with the 'durable' M3 - VANOS, rust, crumbly interiors etc... All cars have issues & after owning a large number of BM's & Mercs over the years they are 50/50 in reliability & build quality - however my last BMW - 2005 E46 cabrio - was an utter disaster in reliability & its ability to rust even with a full documented FSH & a friends E36 M3 being a complete money pit for everything even again with an extensive history.

I would say that parts for the Merc's (surprising) are cheaper for parts.

bedonde

562 posts

230 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Had a C43 for a few years. Later had a C55 (W203) and now an E39 M5, but the C43 was my first V8. It ate its own gearbox at 100k miles, and lived on until being written off by someone else's dickish driving.

The car was great, very understated - interior didn't wear at all, not even the two-tone black and white steering wheel. It felt very solid and made one of the best V8 woofly burbles I've ever heard. I still miss it and would have another, if they weren't nearly all rust buckets.


Jaroon

1,441 posts

160 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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maxwellwd said:
Didn't they also make the C55 as well? Sure I remember these in the late 90s/early 00s. Quite rare I believe though. Sure I remember seeing one in the film 'Romeo must die' with Jet Li
I owned one of these in estate guise. Brilliant, reliable, sonorous and fast, as well as not suffering the rust issues of the C32. Mrs. Smith drives one in "Mr and Mrs Smith" smile

Skd884

815 posts

201 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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WCZ

10,525 posts

194 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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love how gangster these look in black lowered

1974foggy

676 posts

144 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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I do love an old(ish) school rogue! Trouble but worth it on a good day!