RE: Shed of the Week: Cadillac Seville STS

RE: Shed of the Week: Cadillac Seville STS

Friday 6th July 2018

Shed of the Week: Cadillac Seville STS

The fifth generation Seville was the first to receive European type approval. Now it gets the Shed seal, too...



The average size of the motor car through history makes for an interesting social commentary. In the early Edwardian days, when only members of royalty or the Nabob of Bengal could afford them, they were massive - and that was before they even had roofs.

The introduction of world wars had an ensmallening effect on cars, as you might expect, but once the austerity reins were off in the 1950s there was no holding the Americans. They went all in on bulk, girth and chrome, with nary a thought given to party-pooping considerations like fuel consumption or good taste.

But by the early 1990s, even General Motors was realising that they needed to broaden their appeal a little beyond the tobacco-chewing, stetson-wearing Caddy customer who wanted to see 'spitoon' on the options list and liked a nice long bonnet on which to lash a couple of freshly murdered deer. Enter stage right the gen-four Seville of 1992, coming in either SLS (Seville Luxury Sedan) or STS (Seville Touring Sedan) versions.


This baby boomer luxury car was the smallest ever Cadillac. It was designed to draw younger customers into the brand, which shouldn't have been a difficult task given that the typical full-size Cadillac DTS or De Ville customer back then was an octogenarian with perfectly cemented silver hair, white calf-length sports socks and a Zimmer frame sporting a bicycle bell, a few witty bumper stickers and a wire basket for the supermarket slippers.

Sadly for GM, those old-timers didn't want small Cadillacs because they didn't have enough metal to crash with, so it was time to look beyond national boundaries. The gen-five 1998 Seville STS was the first Euro type-approved Cadillac, and the first one to be built in RHD as well as LHD. In a sop to our sensitivities, the Euro STS was five inches shorter than the American model, but that didn't stop us Brits laughing and pointing at it.

However, the embiggening plague of the last decade that is about to make parking your car and getting out of it an either/or proposition means that, dare we say it, the 1800kg STS that is this week's Shed looks almost sportily compact now. Its 2850mm wheelbase is the same as that of a 2005 Lexus GS. At five metres, it's shorter than an Audi Q7 or a BMW 7 Series.


Under the deer-friendly bonnet we find its best feature: the L37 Northstar 4.6-litre V8. This produced 300hp at a lofty 6000rpm, somewhat more than a GS ever had, and delivering a decidedly unshabby 0-60 time in the mid-sixes. Slightly annoyingly, the STS is front-wheel drive, but that does at least mean you'll be able to get it off your driveway when the slush and ice returns in a few weeks time.

There's not much room in the back, but the boot is a goodly size. The interior materials are decent, the assembly not so much. Where the Caddy does score is on creature comforts. It's properly loaded. Besides the Bose stereo, full climate and electrified, perforated, heated leather pillow seats with all the comfort and adjustment you could ever want, it even had electrically adjustable seatbelts. That operation might involve a degree of squeaking though, because it's not something you're likely to be doing more than once unless you're planning on getting pregnant a lot, or have to regularly vary your body size for major film roles.

What about the bad stuff? Well, it goes without saying that a 4.6-litre V8 is not going to be ideal if you're motoring on a sub-Nabob budget and most of your driving is in built-up areas. So we won't say that. These chain-cam Northstars are pretty good motors generally, but they can go through a bit of oil, either burnt or leaked from the crankcase. Sure enough, last December's MOT report on this car did make mention of an engine leak, and of another one from the steering rack. It also mentions some rear subframe corrosion, but let's ignore that and hope it goes away of its own volition, ha ha.


More leaks can occur at the water pump and the plastic tanks for the aluminium rad, which can itself crack and leak. The air con might not be functioning at peak efficiency either, nearly 20 years on - but that's true of any 20-year-old AC system. Shed has just gone through the £50 gamble of recharging the AC on both his current runarounds. One stuck, the other didn't. Them's the breaks.

STSs had a reputation for light driveline vibration at around 80mph. That didn't matter in the States because this sort of speed was something US Caddy drivers associated with Han Solo's Millennium Falcon or those crazy fools on European 'autobarns'. The gearbox isn't as smooth as you might hope, but we are talking 1990s GM technology here, not state of the art 2018 ZF.

The alarm system can play up, preventing engine start. Helped by the occasionally failing fuel pump, this is a nice way to reduce your fuel bills, but it might be a little inconvenient if you have to get somewhere.


Crank position sensors, coils, PCMs (power control modules) and EGR valves go, again problems that are far from exclusive to the CTS, and the electronic self-levelling can conk out (as enjoyed by Range Rover and Audi Allroad owners), giving you either that cool gangster stance or the less cool pig-on-stilts look. If the engine light comes on, that could be a problem with the torque converter, or it might be something as random as a loose-fitting petrol cap. It's worth checking the trans fluid on a fairly regular (30k miles) basis.

Finally, you may have noticed this one has an aftermarket exhaust, which for Shed is reason enough on its own to sink some cash into this interesting American chariot. If you would like to know what it might sound like, here's an idea. Not bad, eh. Channel your inner rapper, or break it for parts and bung the motor into an MR2. It's been done.

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Cambs_Stuart

Original Poster:

2,869 posts

84 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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What a fantastic shed. Good work finding this one. All the hallmarks of a classic shed: Rare, V8, leather, huge spec and possibly ruinous running costs. And just a bit of rust.
Very tempting.

mrpenks

368 posts

155 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Wasn’t this the first car with a 100,000 miles service interval? Sounds daft even typing it.

ChemicalChaos

10,393 posts

160 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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mrpenks said:
Wasn’t this the first car with a 100,000 miles service interval? Sounds daft even typing it.
For general servicing yes, but not the engine oil. IIRC that was only a few k miles, as the Americans are pathological about oil changes (which is why their engines tend to go on forever, in contrast to European engines with huge, fleet manager friendly oil intervals)

Brompty

153 posts

144 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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All that car plus two mis-matched alloys in the boot. Bargain.

Camelot1971

2,699 posts

166 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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No evidence of servicing for 10 years and MOT history that hints at an owner not really interested in keeping things up together - I'm out.

ReaperCushions

6,016 posts

184 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Needs wood on the steering wheel to be perfect in my eyes. Love it.

krisdelta

4,566 posts

201 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Great find and exactly what you want from SOTW, potentially ruinous, dubious history and suspect longevity - interesting too!

PoopahScoopah

249 posts

125 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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I found this strangely alluring right up until the bit about being FWD. Booooooo.

Having just watched Netflix's Fastest Car (a series all about completely misrepresenting the 'sleeper' concept) I can just imagine doing some shonky DIY eBay parts twin turbo conversion on this............if only it was RWD.

J4CKO

41,560 posts

200 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Looks like one of the less exciting cars from GTA 4 and makes me think the Americans fancied a crack at doing an LS400, however, looks decent enough, is interesting, reasonably brisk and is probably pretty comfy.

Love these wildcard curios, good work Shed !

Blackpuddin

16,522 posts

205 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Decent reg plate too, T90 CAD.

kellyt

158 posts

119 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Good Lord, one of those? Yes, I'd be very pleased to barge that for a while. I always liked them. Great find, really good spot. Such a change from the usual suspects. 10/10.

Valgar

850 posts

135 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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The front mounted engine and gearbox alone must be worth that much, think of the transplants!

Motorrad

6,811 posts

187 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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A knackered sounding example of a car renowned for expensive and often fatal failures.
I was 'lucky' enough to test drive one when searching for a banger to park in the dodgy neighborhood I lived in. The best things I can say about it is the seats were great for me and the AC was typically powerful.
Avoid!

Mr Peel

482 posts

122 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Hmm. Pleasingly different, but I couldn't live with the awful styling: looks so out of of proportion!

Cambs_Stuart

Original Poster:

2,869 posts

84 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Camelot1971 said:
No evidence of servicing for 10 years and MOT history that hints at an owner not really interested in keeping things up together - I'm out.
No servicing for 10 years, but wolfrace alloys and a performance exhaust. Sounds like it's been cherished.

LotusOmega375D

7,626 posts

153 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Wow I have learned something new already today. Well done PH. I never knew that "ensmallening" was actually a real word. It reminds me of the fictitious Simpsons' antonym "embiggens" as attributed to Jebediah Springfield.



As for the car? To use another Simpsons word: "Meh".


stuckmojo

2,979 posts

188 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Horrid vehicle with a decent engine.

Cadillac saw the light after this and moved back to RWD for most models. This was possibly the lowest point in their history. Acceptable at 65mph on a straight, smooth road, but not good for anything else.

I used to work at GM when this was being phased out and they were basically given away to employees, who didn't want them at even fire sale price.


Richard-390a0

2,257 posts

91 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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So wrong it's right & would really upset my hybrid driving neighbours too!!!.

Triumph Man

8,691 posts

168 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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It has that slight whiff of paedophile about it...

urquattroGus

1,847 posts

190 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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I do remember that the Northstar was marketed as a gem of a world leading sophisticated engine.....

But it seems like history has proven and or marked it as a dog!? smile