RE: PH Service History: Front-drive track day cars

RE: PH Service History: Front-drive track day cars

Sunday 8th July 2018

PH Service History: Front-drive track day cars

The modern hatchback is capable of almost anything - including blowing your socks off on a circuit



A question from a reader on Twitter asking for advice on cheap track day cars has set me thinking about possible contenders. Of course your definition of cheap might be different to mine, so all we really need to agree on is what makes a good track day car. Something quick, with sweet handling? Oh yes. Simple to fix and upgrade? Yup. A plentiful supply of relatively affordable parts is desirable, too, and above all it must be fun.

Well, following on from last week's Service History column, where we pondered which engine/drive layout might be right for the ideal summer roadster, I'm going to be bold and limit these searches to front-wheel drive cars only this week.


Hold on, though, I hear you gasp: the virtues of a RWD 350Z or Caterham hooning round a circuit are well known, ditto 4WD Imprezas and the like, but doesn't FWD impose severe limitations on handling adjustability? Could it turn a longed-for track-day blast into a Caroline Flack-day farce, as you yank uncontrollably with increasing desperation at your twirling steering wheel, your understeering car approaching the barrier fast, nose first?

Nonsense. Consider this 2002 Honda Civic Type R, a car you could corner on its door handles lap after lap and whose 197hp VTEC engine can scream like the proverbial all the way to 8000rpm. It grips well, too, stops smartly and it's easy to mod, and a 0 to 60mph time of 6.6 seconds gives you some idea of how much fun it might be. Throw in that super-slick gearbox with well-chosen ratios and it seems a bit of a pity to waste this car thrashing it round some cold provincial track, to be honest. Indeed if it didn't ride like it was broken it'd still be a bloody good road car, especially at £2995.


Almost as tempting is this ravishing Renaultsport Clio 182, up at just £1895. Stick a big engine in a little car and hold on tight - there's a 180hp 2.0-litre lump up front that pushes the pocket-sized Clio around with famous verve. But it's in the corners where this lithe gripster comes alive. It's pointy but dainty, and turn-in is razor-sharp. It'll cock a rear wheel in the air like a dog looking for its favourite lamppost, and if you want lift-off fun it'll do that, too.

Hundreds of years ago we went automatically to Peugeot for front-drivers that handled, and if you can find an old 306 Rallye, the stripped-down version of its phenomenally good 306 GTI-6, you'll enjoy fantastically neutral on-the-limit handling and a beautifully sorted chassis. Try the tiny 106 GTI as well, if you don't mind putting a bit more work into going fast. This one shares the 306's balance, if not its ultimate speed. There was a Rallye version of the 106, too, and again, though not stunningly quick, it was a lightweight and unassisted hoot through the bends. Boot it; flick it; catch it.


Don't overlook an old Ford Fiesta ST, either. The new one might be great, and the one before that was certainly worth a punt, but the original car, naturally aspirated and small as a church mouse, had character. A 148hp 2.0-litre of reasonable liveliness made it go, large brakes made it stop and a well-sorted chassis and fat Pirelli P Zeros gave it the sort of cornering prowess needed for track-day work. £2995 buys you this one.

Possibly the ultimate front-wheel drive driver's car, the stripped out Honda Integra Type R offered up a responsive and sonorous 187hp 1.8-litre VTEC engine, good for 9000rpm, in a car that weighed little more than a box of matches. With a stiff chassis, huge brakes and a limited-slip diff you could literally make this Integra do whatever you wanted it to do - accurate steering and relatively skinny tyres did the rest. Such purity doesn't normally come cheap, but this 1999 example's on sale for just £6400, which sounds like a lot of track-day fun for not much money.


Up the dosh a bit and you could have a limited edition Mini Cooper S JCW GP - this 2006 car is yours for £12,500. Mods to the intercooler and the engine management system upped the horses from the supercharged 1.6-litre to 215hp, 5hp more than a stock Cooper S, while weight reductions (so long, rear seats) and a tweaked chassis did the rest. It made this responsive little brick possibly the most desirable and enjoyable 'stock' BMW Mini, a blast on the straights and a hoot in the bends. Only 500 came to the UK, hence the steep price.

If the angle of the sticker price is less of a concern, consider the front-wheel drive hero that is the Renaultsport Megane. You can buy older ones for very little, but you'll need plenty of wedge to get your mitts on a Renault Megane Trophy-R, £25,995 in the case of the one we found in the classifieds, but it's one of only 30 in the UK and it'll be worth every penny. This record-shattering, lightweight beaut was built for the singular purpose of regaining the Nurburgring crown, and it comes stacked with plenty of serious kit - adjustable Ohlins dampers, lighter Speedline wheels and sticky Michelin Pilot Cup 2 tyres. As a front-wheel drive track day tool it's quite possibly without peer - blisteringly quick, huge grip, a riot in corners. Fantastic brakes too.


Finally, all lists of any credibility have to include a VW Golf GTI somewhere, and this one is no exception. There are many to choose from, of course, some with skant claim to any track pedigree whatsoever. But the Mk7 Clubsport S was Wolfsburg having a go at doing things properly: a stripped-out and hunkered down front-driver also with the Nordschleife record on its to-do list. The result is still a Golf in the classic, compliant mould - but one that'll do all manner of marvellous things when you put its feelsome, stability-happy handling and 310hp output to the ultimate test. It remains a wallet-tester, too, though: just 150 examples came to the UK and they still command predictably high prices. A few miles on the clock will obviously help - we found this one among several in the classifieds for £32,950 with 16k already on the clock. Plenty of room for 12.944 miles more then.

Mark Pearson

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Onehp

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1,617 posts

284 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Some great fwd cars, would vote for a car with a limited slippy diff any time though, makes a fwd that much more enjoyable on track.

Here a little vid what well sorted fwds can do, 80% of the fun for 20% of the money?
https://youtu.be/HbNCuRUeEJI

NickGRhodes

1,291 posts

73 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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For clarity there were 2 106 Rallyes, the MK1 S1 which was light, revvy and on thin wheels that is fun and controllable.
The later MK2 S2 Rallye that is a slightly stripped 106 GTi that only slightly quicker (many question not worth the S2 Rallye over the GTi for a road car).

Hub

6,441 posts

199 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Renaultsport Mégane and Clio, Integra and Civic Type R, Mini... This doesn't strike me as a thinking outside the box article - but maybe there aren't many decent options!

bozzy.

780 posts

79 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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NickGRhodes said:
For clarity there were 2 106 Rallyes, the MK1 S1 which was light, revvy and on thin wheels that is fun and controllable.
The later MK2 S2 Rallye that is a slightly stripped 106 GTi that only slightly quicker (many question not worth the S2 Rallye over the GTi for a road car).
The S1 was a 1.3, the S2 was an 8v 1.6.

I thought the GTi was a 16v with about another 25bhp?

DBRacingGod

610 posts

193 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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The Queef is strong with this one.

EDLT

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207 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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paranoid airbag

2,679 posts

160 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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So.... mx-5?

I'm sure I'd enjoy any of these more than any Ferrari round a track. Because I don't have the cash to risk making mistakes the latter. Or even replace the tyres. If FWD lets you have a cheap track car, great!

Once you ARE into decent RWD money... I'm struggling to see how the JCW justifies itself. Whichever way you swing it, the fundamentally practical design makes itself felt on track.


sideways man

1,321 posts

138 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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How about a fwd lotus elan?
Apparently a superb drive,and last time I looked they were still cheap.

s m

23,262 posts

204 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Rover 200 BRM

Standard LSD and a Lotus Elise engine as well

Frimley111R

15,690 posts

235 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Nothing better value than a Megane R26. They're about £4-5k for a decent one. Easily mapped to 270bhp, tons of tuning options, all for very little money.

V8RX7

26,919 posts

264 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Mark Pearson said:
so all we really need to agree on is what makes a good track day car.... and above all it must be fun.
But you just said it had to be FWD ?

confused

getmecoat






V8RX7

26,919 posts

264 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Onehp said:
Some great fwd cars, would vote for a car with a limited slippy diff any time though, makes a fwd that much more enjoyable on track.

Here a little vid what well sorted fwds can do, 80% of the fun for 20% of the money?
https://youtu.be/HbNCuRUeEJI
And here's an MX5 Turbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VSkQTjDcF0

120% of the fun for 5% of the money

Edited by V8RX7 on Sunday 8th July 16:58

s m

23,262 posts

204 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Mark Pearson said:
Try the tiny 106 GTI as well, if you don't mind putting a bit more work into going fast. This one shares the 306's balance, if not its ultimate speed.
Might depend on the track as well

When the cars were new the GTI-6 got shown up by its little brother in terms of lap times a few times


Edited by s m on Sunday 8th July 15:40

Maldini35

2,913 posts

189 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Having driven and raced RWD for years I thought FWD would feel underwhelming but a quick go in fast Clio totally changed my mind.
Great fun. Not better than RWD just different.
I wouldn’t want to risk anything expensive on track, so a Clio 172 Cup now sits on the drive.
Ridiculous value for a genuine homologation special. Cheap fun on track and a useful extra road car (40+ mpg possible on a run).
Buy one now before people start the realise - because they surely will and prices will start to creep up.


unsprung

5,467 posts

125 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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a colleague was quite adamant, years ago, about a FWD Audi being better at the limit than its RWD peers (say, something from BMW)

while I don't want to suggest that there be a debate of the merits of FWD and RWD, or any particular marque, I do believe that the joys of FWD performance may be a bit undersung, if you will


davebem

746 posts

178 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Theres some great fwd cars there, I hope this thread doesnt turn into a fwd vs rwd argument.

As a current mk7 Golf GTI owner, id take the Megane.

Dickie-D

58 posts

70 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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There is currently a small but significant error in the section on the Mini Cooper S JCW GP.

The article says the GP has "...5hp more than a stock Cooper S..." but it actually means 5 bhp more than a Cooper S JCW. The standard Cooper S from 2006 had 168 bhp.

nickfrog

21,232 posts

218 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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paranoid airbag said:
So.... mx-5?
Whichever way you swing it, the fundamentally practical design makes itself felt on track.
Usually yes but there are rare exceptions like the DC2 / DC8 and Renaults RS.

And most RWD road cars are not immune from practicality / weight / set up compromises.

If anything they are extremely rarely set up as neutrally as the front drivers above. The BRZ being the only affordable one I can think of that wasn't set up to understeer on turn in, even the GT86 did.

Itsallicanafford

2,772 posts

160 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Love this review where the Megane sees off its RWD competition...

http://www.evo.co.uk/renault/megane-coupe/14126/su...

My favourite line
‘I climb out of it wide-eyed. Duff concurs before I even utter a word. ‘Proper weapon, isn’t it?’ he says.’

Itsallicanafford

2,772 posts

160 months

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